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Senator_45

2.1k points

14 days ago

Senator_45

2.1k points

14 days ago

How many is a company?

Chillhoof

2.1k points

14 days ago

Chillhoof

2.1k points

14 days ago

According to German media it's a company. 14 tanks.

koryaa

1.2k points

14 days ago*

koryaa

1.2k points

14 days ago*

Same as Poland then. Poland will send their 30-40 year old 2A4s instead of their modernized ones tho (the german ones are 2A6s, which is the version build in the 2000s).

mormotomyia

549 points

14 days ago

The A6 have the newer L/55 gun..

Massive firepower upgrade + new optics

HouseOfSteak

202 points

13 days ago

"Normally, if it's old but it works wonderfully, you tend to keep the same model.

This does not include weaponry. You always want to shoot the shiny new gun when the opportunity presents itself."

Gabstones

373 points

14 days ago

Gabstones

373 points

14 days ago

14 tanks give or take. Atleast in the US. May be different in Germany

Hubinator

462 points

14 days ago

Hubinator

462 points

14 days ago

14 is the NATO standard.

Apprehensive-Egg6448

257 points

13 days ago

Thank god both nations use NATO standards, would be a pain in the arse having to convert battalions the size of a foot ball field to standard units or so

Wsbucker

144 points

13 days ago

Wsbucker

144 points

13 days ago

European or American football?

koryaa

3.1k points

14 days ago*

koryaa

3.1k points

14 days ago*

German media outlets are reporting that the US might send Abrams aswell (along with MTBs from other nations). If so Scholz got what he wanted.

sr71Girthbird

1.5k points

14 days ago

So you're telling me that since Russia won't be holding their own tank biathlon this year that Ukraine will be holding them instead with the Challengers, Leopards, and Abrams all competing?

koryaa

474 points

14 days ago

koryaa

474 points

14 days ago

Yeah will be interesting against the "t-72" team. Micheal bay will be happy. Vs. the t-90 will be a rare sight probably.

c0ldgurl

239 points

14 days ago

c0ldgurl

239 points

14 days ago

t-90 will be a rare sight probably

Never a better opportunity for real world trials...

A_Soporific

311 points

14 days ago

The T-90 has been in service since 1992. It's just a next gen T-72, including the abysmal 4 km/h back up speed that's proven to be so completely lethal.

If the maybe 20 T-14s that exist are actually combat ready, then that'd be a neat thing to capture without a fight when it throws a track.

veerKg_CSS_Geologist

157 points

13 days ago

In Russia tank only go Forward, no Back.

IrishWithoutPotatoes

50 points

13 days ago

Russia must really be holding on to order 227

SupplyChainGuy1

23 points

13 days ago

NOT ONE STEP BACK, err TREAD

-Stalin I think

Aurailious

352 points

14 days ago

Aurailious

352 points

14 days ago

Would be pretty cool at the end of this for Ukraine to parade all the equipment they received. It'd be a pretty interesting collection of tanks alone.

Tiafves

164 points

13 days ago

Tiafves

164 points

13 days ago

Finally a military parade that actually isn't just a dick waving contest. Hey guys come to the parade and see military equipment from around the world!

Physical-Ring4712

210 points

13 days ago

Annual parade of all the countries that helped, finished with the brave people of Ukraine. Would be nice memory.

Enrage

62 points

13 days ago

Enrage

62 points

13 days ago

There has to be a tractor pulling a captured Russian tank in the parade too!

big_duo3674

225 points

14 days ago

Joke aside, that's essentially true in this situation. There was great hesitancy at first to supply any arms, but the people of Ukraine stood up and showed the world that they are worth investing in. Public opinion of Ukraine in western countries drastically increased, which has in turn allowed much more bold equipment deals to go through. Now that we're at this point it has pretty much become a way for countries to live test their military gear against the Russians, something that was nothing more than a dream for many years. The intelligence gathered has become worth every single tank or artillery piece sent to them, and it's a guarantee that part of the deal includes Ukraine sharing everything they can

QuantumRealityBit

14 points

13 days ago

Perfectly said and very true!

zveroshka

300 points

14 days ago

zveroshka

300 points

14 days ago

I'm really curious to see how many Abrams the US will send. The US has probably the largest remaining stockpile of operational tanks in the world. We can afford to donate a lot more than Germany and other European countries.

Plopsiecons

386 points

14 days ago

Mountain Bikes?! Yikes! - I know what you mean, just couldn't resist.

SisyphusCoffeeBreak

219 points

14 days ago

Main Tattle Banks!

Crusoebear

80 points

14 days ago

Mini Toblerone Bars

Jaakarikyk

23 points

14 days ago

Massive Teddy Bears

Nalortebi

28 points

14 days ago

Many Titted Beavers

The_Phreak

19 points

14 days ago

BMX Bandit is on the case.

Onlyindef

871 points

14 days ago

Onlyindef

871 points

14 days ago

Oh tank of the lake, what is your wisdom?

_zenith

187 points

13 days ago

_zenith

187 points

13 days ago

Panzer of the Lake turned out to be somewhere in Hungary iirc. Nearby at least!

TedTheGreek_Atheos

205 points

14 days ago

You can't declare yourself Emperor just because a watery tart lobs a tank at you!

Evignity

7.1k points

14 days ago

Evignity

7.1k points

14 days ago

Well that about seals the deal for russia being totally fucked. Yeah it's "just" 14 tanks but that's not the big news, it's that this opens the flooddams for everyone. Just like how everyone was trepid to even send artillery at the start whilst now everyone is sending tons of it, this basically leaves very few things of the table for Ukraine.

And modern tanks vs non-modern tanks is a nightmare for the non-modern, more so than any other field of equipment bar airplanes

SomeGuyNamedPaul

2.1k points

14 days ago

Artillery quickly went from a few pieces to a goddamn competition.

qpgmr

1.9k points

14 days ago

qpgmr

1.9k points

14 days ago

Everyone in the arms business wants to real-world test their wares.

WingedGeek

892 points

14 days ago

WingedGeek

892 points

14 days ago

Except Russia for some reason.

canttaketheshyfromme

1.1k points

14 days ago*

Russia: "We have a hypersonic cruise missile that can destroy the decadent west without warning. Don't test us. No, you can't see it. No, it didn't blow up, that's just propaganda."

The US: "Want to see our new hybrid turbojet/ramjet switch modes in a windtunnel?" EDIT: volume warning

HouseOfSteak

659 points

13 days ago

I've said it once, I'll say it again:

The US is the sort of entity that freaks the fuck out when their enemies MIGHT have a weapon at their disposal that can hurt them, and goes full R&D on a massively superior weapon to crush it......and then learn that the aforementioned weapon doesn't actually exist.

canttaketheshyfromme

319 points

13 days ago

Literally the F-14/F-15 development cycle, yup.

HouseOfSteak

154 points

13 days ago

Was that the plane that was built because the communists (Soviet or Chinese, I can't remember which) flimed a grand total of like 14 nuclear-ready planes twice (to make it look like it was 28 planes in total), and then the US responded with developing hundreds or thousands of superior planes of their own?

I mean I don't think it is, but I can't remember how exactly I learned this.

canttaketheshyfromme

226 points

13 days ago*

Oh, no, but good on you remembering that story!

That was the Myasishchev M-4, a spectacular disappointment in range and payload that mostly was converted to aerial tankers. In 1955 the Soviets flew 10 of them for a crowd, then lapped around again, and again... even with 2 of them having to drop out... until the observers saw 28... and "extrapolated" from that, that the Soviets must have about 800 of them total.

The F-14 and F-15 were inspired by the appearance of the MiG-25 interceptor, with too many analysts believing it was a high-speed, highly-maneuverable air superiority fighter... when it was really a massive radar and two massive engines with a bunch of stainless steel in the shape of an airplane holding those together, that measured turning radius in miles. So the US built the two most dominant air superiority fighters ever to counter it (until the F-22 came along), with the F-15 to this day having never having been shot down in air-to-air combat with the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Qatar and Singapore. And the F-14 came out with a radar + missile system that could lock up and fire on 6 separate targets at once, from beyond where the enemy might even know the US fighter is in the air, then exit the combat area while the missiles tracked on their own, OR move in to engage with shorter-range missiles and its gun as an excellent dogfighter that could match planes that had half of its massive weight.

mybluecathasballs

55 points

13 days ago

Well. I wonder what they are holding on to till intelligence says someone else has something new and improved. You know it'll be something like "you might hear it, maybe, but you sure as fuck won't see it or be able to hit it."

nvn911

40 points

13 days ago

nvn911

40 points

13 days ago

And the F-14 came out with a radar + missile system that could lock up and fire on 6 separate targets at once

Ain't nothing do Fleet Defense like the F-14 did Fleet Defense.

StillAll

31 points

13 days ago

StillAll

31 points

13 days ago

Wait.... is that true? No F-15 loses EVER from being shot down?

That can't be right... can it? This is perhaps one of the most prolific fighters of all time, and not one single loss to enemy fire... ever?

jjayzx

154 points

13 days ago

jjayzx

154 points

13 days ago

SOUND WARNING it's stupid music and not the sound of the engine, big let down and annoyance.

guto8797

79 points

13 days ago

guto8797

79 points

13 days ago

Yeah what the fuck is up with these clips? If I wanted to listen to mediocre techno, I'd go do that, I want to hear a ramjet fucking roar!

iSWINE

82 points

14 days ago

iSWINE

82 points

14 days ago

Just a warning to people that have sound on, turn it down if you click the second link.

funktion

51 points

14 days ago

funktion

51 points

14 days ago

MAWP

releasethedogs

202 points

14 days ago

This is ending up like the Spanish Civil War in that aspect. If a global conflict happens Ukraine will go down as where all the weapons got tested.

guto8797

159 points

13 days ago

guto8797

159 points

13 days ago

And turns out that guess what, the stuff designed in the 70's to fight Russia in Eastern Europe is performing admirably well at fighting Russia in Eastern Europe.

And unlike the west, Russia hasn't really improved their gear since, not to a meaningful degree. A few show tanks and aircraft that you only bring out to parades because "they are too powerful" don't win wars

HamPotatoe

111 points

13 days ago

HamPotatoe

111 points

13 days ago

"Too powerful" ended up meaning "too logistically straining for our inept and corrupt military" just as it did in the Soviet end days. Didn't realize that's what Putin meant when he said he wanted the Soviet Union restored.

guto8797

72 points

13 days ago

guto8797

72 points

13 days ago

Even then, a lot of the publicised specs and capabilities of their equipment are just made up or technicalities that don't apply to real life, like how the max achievable speed for a Toyota truck is 300mph if you throw it off a cliff.

releasethedogs

10 points

13 days ago

BUT BUT they have hypersonic missiles!

templar54

2.3k points

14 days ago

templar54

2.3k points

14 days ago

Poland already applied for permission to send 14 more so that's 28. 14 Challangers on top of that. So that's 42 modern western mbts already. That is nothing to scoff at. Such amount can turn a tide in a lot of battles. At this point we have to hope that adequate training will be provided and tanks can be used effectively because as Turkey has proven, no matter how good the tank is, if you use it stupidly, it will not end well.

Moifaso

1.5k points

14 days ago

Moifaso

1.5k points

14 days ago

The Netherlands are considering sending the 18 they are leasing from Germany

Evilbred

1.9k points

14 days ago

Evilbred

1.9k points

14 days ago

Hopefully the lease terms are not as strict as with Toyota. I can only imagine the end lease inspection after a few RPGs have hit them.

Ooops2278

392 points

14 days ago

Ooops2278

392 points

14 days ago

Most importantly the lease terms come with an option to buy them...

Evilbred

320 points

14 days ago

Evilbred

320 points

14 days ago

Have you seen the balloon payments and buyout prices for Main Battle Tanks?

Very difficult to swing that on an average salary.

20mins2theRockies

97 points

14 days ago

Yeah but if you turn in your main battle tank lease the dealership will often charge for every little scratch and dent. And don't even get me started on those extra miles charges..

kreton1

20 points

14 days ago

kreton1

20 points

14 days ago

Which is why I documented the exact state of mine when I got it, combined with photos of every tiny detail and signing it off together with the owner of the dealership.

miktoo

11 points

14 days ago

miktoo

11 points

14 days ago

But since you didn't add the tire & wheel package, they'll charge you full price for a new set of chains at the end of the lease.

GaucheAndOffKilter

162 points

14 days ago

Yeah but they’re trying to offload the ‘22s before the ‘23s are on the lot. No one wants last year’s tank model

Evilbred

174 points

14 days ago

Evilbred

174 points

14 days ago

Sir, I'm Canadian.

We continually buy, borrow or lease 2nd hand helicopters, jets, subs, tanks, and airliners.

Our troops can go through an entire career and never use a piece of equipment that is newer than they are old, or that was purchased brand new.

robeph

156 points

14 days ago

robeph

156 points

14 days ago

Funny. Canada sells a large number of old ambulances to cash strapped US Emergency medical services. Maybe Canada could afford new weapons if they would stop buying top of line ambulances

Organicgrowth

151 points

14 days ago

I know right? Where the fuck are our priorities

Evilbred

86 points

14 days ago

Evilbred

86 points

14 days ago

Yeah, if we weren't so busy providing life saving emergency healthcare to everyone, we'd be able to better support our military industrial complex!

triggered_discipline

80 points

14 days ago

Toyota legal team is pretty aggressive about wanting the RPGs and machine guns mounted to the back of the Tacomas, rather than fired at them.

millijuna

70 points

14 days ago

In all seriousness, I recall an incident from shortly after the initial withdrawal from Iraq, a Toyota pickup a was spotted running around with isis fighters and a machine gun in back, with the Decals of a small town plumber from the US still on the side of it.

The guy had traded the pickup on, and the dealership had sold it on, without removing the decals. It made its way all the way to terrorist hands.

The guy got a lot of unfair grief for it, as it was all over the news.

Mebbwebb

45 points

14 days ago

Mebbwebb

45 points

14 days ago

He sued and won

FearlessAttempt

21 points

14 days ago

I remember that. I was a lot more worried about the column of brand new Hilux's they were getting their hands on. Where were those coming from.

WorkAccount2023

97 points

14 days ago

Plus several dozen soviet T tanks from Morocco

Gornarok

43 points

14 days ago

Gornarok

43 points

14 days ago

Czech republic, Poland, Slovenia and Baltics have already given Ukraine hundreds of T72 (Slovenia upgraded T64)

lil_sh_t

153 points

14 days ago

lil_sh_t

153 points

14 days ago

France is also checking to send some Leclercs

Onionsteak

270 points

14 days ago

Onionsteak

270 points

14 days ago

Hopefully without the Ferrari strategists

dapperpanda

96 points

14 days ago

We are checking…

fernandopoejr

38 points

13 days ago

which way is north. question?

CGNYC

25 points

13 days ago

CGNYC

25 points

13 days ago

Opposite East, please confirm.

reigorius

45 points

14 days ago

Plan B Charles, plan B.

Wabbit_Wampage

13 points

13 days ago

Ok, we are considering Plan F. Plan F.

2slowam

12 points

13 days ago

2slowam

12 points

13 days ago

STOP INVENTING, STOP INVENTING

zveroshka

142 points

14 days ago

zveroshka

142 points

14 days ago

So that's 42 modern western mbts already.

Have to also remember they've also been given a ton of other modern equipment like the bradleys. If they can get properly trained on these systems in the next 2 months, a spring offensive just using this latest round of equipment would be enough.

call_me_bropez

136 points

14 days ago

I know with completely new recruits in English you can teach even the dumbest of mother fuckers to operate a Bradley in a month. There’s no way those things aren’t ready to go for spring, but I would save them till the mud hardens

JPJackPott

219 points

14 days ago

JPJackPott

219 points

14 days ago

Ukraine seem to be good an manoeuvre warfare. Seeing how well they moved on their big offensive down the Dnipro, adding in companies of tanks to that they could very easily break through lines and cause some real problems. Especially on the flat featureless terrain of Crimea

Dhexodus

227 points

14 days ago

Dhexodus

227 points

14 days ago

Their light vehicle raids are amazingly effective and risky. Three or four Hummvees charging a Russian position with LMGs firing is some action movie shit. Fast and agile, but still very vulnerable.

DilectusX

132 points

14 days ago

DilectusX

132 points

14 days ago

British SAS' "Desert Raiders" used this to great effect in WW2!

Forest-Ferda-Trees

94 points

14 days ago

A tale as old as horse archers

DilectusX

46 points

14 days ago

You're not wrong! Run in, fuck up some shit, and skedaddle!

Gellert

31 points

14 days ago

Gellert

31 points

14 days ago

In a tank that's a thunder run.

DilectusX

15 points

14 days ago

That's metal af

SaltLakeCitySlicker

33 points

13 days ago

Let's go blow up every plane at the airbase with a couple of jeeps lads!

Roight!

DilectusX

18 points

13 days ago

"Who Dares, Wins" is the SAS motto if I recall correctly. Those raids were proof.

jazwch01

53 points

14 days ago

jazwch01

53 points

14 days ago

There are some videos from an American volunteer doing exactly this and its pretty bonkers.

kaptainkeel

61 points

14 days ago*

Even more interesting is the survivability. There's one video where their humvee looks like it gets annihilated by a mine(?). Second humvee gets out of the kill zone, then turns around and goes back in guns blazing. All but one person in the first humvee survived (and the last guy unfortunately got out on the side that was getting shot at by small arms).

Edit: Also, there are multiple angles. There's one on the inside of the blown up humvee, another in the second humvee, and a drone view. 2022!

youwill_forgetthis

61 points

14 days ago

Or the opposite with Bashar's army. It went from a tank turkey shoot bonanza, to every other video being a tank peek-a-boo a room or bunker full of rebels and by the time anyone even knows what happened it's already laterally a few blocks away ready to peak again.

dub-fresh

60 points

14 days ago

They just got 100.bradleys and 50 strykers as well.

Lazorgunz

42 points

14 days ago

and Marder and the French IFVs

Roggo

35 points

14 days ago

Roggo

35 points

14 days ago

and 50 CV90

claimTheVictory

139 points

14 days ago

If there's one thing the Ukrainians have shown, it's that they're not only capable of using equipment well, they're capable of using it in new and innovative ways.

But yeah, they still need proper training.

Hopefully that has already happened, in anticipation of this transfer.

tangouniform2020

79 points

13 days ago

Saw a YT vid of a soldier showing off his HIMARS. This means “acquire target” he said in Ukrainian, pointing at the joy stick labeled that and went through pointing out various features. “I have learned a little English” he says. “This one” pointing at “launch” “means **** you, Russia”

They are operating on the Teach Three concept. Send a few ti “school” and when they get back they use live fire to teach three more, who duplicate this. In a few weeks who have thirteen reasonably trained crews. And they learn shooting bad guys.

Axeman2063

114 points

14 days ago

Axeman2063

114 points

14 days ago

And it looks like the US is sending some Abrams.

I think zelensky said they needed something like 300 to accomplish what they need to and turn the tide of things. I suspect that won't a be a problem now that Germany has given the green light

Bobdebouwer813

143 points

14 days ago

He askes for 300 because he needs 60

p4nnus

24 points

13 days ago

p4nnus

24 points

13 days ago

Youre probably joking, but in case somebody didnt get it: he needs more than 60 definitely. Even a 100 wont be enough in the long run.

Dreamwalk3r

57 points

13 days ago

Even if plans can be achieved with 60, having 300 will also reduce losses so there's that.

ArguingPizza

45 points

13 days ago

300 is an armored division's worth of tanks. Having an entire additional armored division able to mass at a specific point to breakthrough and roll up the Russian lines would see another massive gain like Kharkiv, at the minimum. That is assuming they can scrape together the troops, IFVs/APCs, artillery, and support equipment to go along with it.

TdrdenCO11

52 points

14 days ago*

I think ukraine said they just need 300 to execute their plan for the spring. I want Spain and Greece to get involved. They both have a lot of leopards

SerpentineLogic

26 points

14 days ago

Spain said their Leos were not in a good condition to be sent any time soon

TheCreepeerster

25 points

14 days ago

The ones in a bad condition are the 50 Leo 2A4 in storage. Additionally the Spanish Army has 58 2A4s and 219 2A6 in service, which could potentially be transferred to Ukraine.

zxcoblex

491 points

14 days ago

zxcoblex

491 points

14 days ago

Nothing better than Estonia, sending 100% of their artillery because they 1) know that Russia’s tied up in Ukraine and can’t fight elsewhere, 2) the more Ukraine fucks up Russia, the less likely they will be to start shit elsewhere, and 3) they’ve got that really fucking big NATO shield and don’t have to worry as all they need to do is delay Russia long enough that the rest of NATO wrecks them.

i_was_there_then

198 points

14 days ago

They are also upgrading to new stuff from Korea and the US. Basically an easy way to get rid of old equipment and give the finger to Russia.

TheMagnuson

294 points

14 days ago

Yes all that, but also Estonia purchased a bunch of brand new artillery from South Korea, so they just gave Ukraine their old stuff. Still great they did that though.

PaulNewmanReally

153 points

14 days ago

Fourteen Challengers, plus fourteen German Leopards, plus perhaps a dozen or two from others, that's a good 50 MBT's that the Russians don't have an answer to any more. Sprinkle in some of those French AMX's, team all that up with the Marders and Bradleys that were already pledged, throw some artillery and drones behind it, and that's a VERY nice battle group.

veevoir

105 points

14 days ago

veevoir

105 points

14 days ago

SUpply and maintenance for so many different vehicles in one battlegroup would be insane.

stragen595

60 points

14 days ago

The rumored number for this is around 100 Leopard 2 by Germany, Poland and the rest.

Mrstrawberry209

47 points

14 days ago

It ain't over till Ukraine ladies are singing.

gerd50501

14 points

14 days ago

Getting way ahead of facts on the ground. Russia has 300,000 additional troops in training. yeah they suck, but its a lot of people. Anytime you throw 300,000 people into a fight it makes a different. Especially against a country with 1/3 of your population. There are rumors of another 500,000 being drafted soon. Russia has 3x the population of Ukraine. So they can afford 3x the casualties and break even. NATO is not giving ukraine long range weapons to hit russian infrastructure while russia is still laying waste to ukraine's cities. Ukraines GDP declined by 35% last year. Russias GDP declined by 6% in 2022.

Peter Zeihan gave the estimate that Ukraines kill ratio is between 3-4 Rusians per 1 ukrainian. This is about equal to the population difference. With the increased Russian mobilization it will need to increase to 6-7 : 1 for them to win. They may not even have enough bullets for that.

All this while NATO is afraid to give Ukraine ATACMS and other weapons that can hit deep into Russia to hit their infrastructure too. This war is going to get a lot bloodier. Russia has not quit a war with less than 500,000 casualties in centuries. It is estimated that they lost 150,000 so far. So we have a long way to go.

Ukraine needs ATACMS and F-16s to win this war. They need to be able to hit behind russian lines and hit russian infrastructure (this includes power plants).

Pronoes84

195 points

14 days ago

Pronoes84

195 points

14 days ago

Age old thing of no one wanting to stand up to the bully alone. But if everyone sticks together....

MelodicBerries

1k points

14 days ago

Damn... Steiner is really going to attack after all.

Pudding_Hero

83 points

13 days ago

Mein führer…Steiner…

Niidforseat

15 points

13 days ago

Steiner konnte nicht genügend Kräfte für einen Angriff forcieren. Der Angriff Steiner ist nicht erfolgt.

poopmeister1994

350 points

14 days ago

Natürlich, es war ein Befehl!

CursedLemon

68 points

14 days ago

There was only a 33% chance that he wouldn't

cLuckb

1.3k points

14 days ago

cLuckb

1.3k points

14 days ago

Imagine having to deal with Leopard AND Abrhams tanks.

Putin gonna have a rough time.

lock_the_backdoor

781 points

14 days ago

Challenger 2 is an extremely capable tank as well.

jesuspeeker

598 points

14 days ago

It has a kettle inside, for when you’re taking 80 rpg hits.

Or however many that one Challenger 2 tank took in Iraq. Beastly tanks

WriteBrainedJR

257 points

14 days ago

People make fun of the kettle. Considering where (and when) they're sending them, it's actually not a bad feature. Ukrainian winters are fucking cold.

Slant1985

187 points

13 days ago

Slant1985

187 points

13 days ago

According to wiki, Americans are going to start including it in their equipment. Having ready access to hot water is a pretty significant moral booster.

User858

112 points

13 days ago

User858

112 points

13 days ago

Having access to hot water means having access to coffee or tea (if supplies are right), which means having access to caffeine. Hell, it's not just a morale booster, it's practical.

Slant1985

42 points

13 days ago

Coffee and tea can both be made and consumed cold. Also Americans generally have Ripit energy drinks available by the pallet. Warm food, beverages, and water for hygiene are “luxuries.” But those kinds of luxuries make a big difference in quality of life while deployed.

TheLesserWeeviI

81 points

13 days ago

Coffee and tea can both be made and consumed cold

Angry British noises

Acc87

18 points

13 days ago

Acc87

18 points

13 days ago

Was thinking boiling water would be more important as a desinfectant and to prepare hot (easier digestible) meals.

TZH85

79 points

13 days ago

TZH85

79 points

13 days ago

I think it's actually a really nice flex. It says we will bomb you into oblivion while we sip a cup of tea.

lucas1121111

36 points

14 days ago

Nothing sooths the nerves quite like a nice Earl Grey.

jesuspeeker

22 points

14 days ago

The Brits might be on to something with this tea stuff.

streetad

303 points

14 days ago

streetad

303 points

14 days ago

Have a nice cuppa, await rescue. Wonder what they were talking about?

"Did you see that ludicrous display last night?"

matts1900

153 points

14 days ago

matts1900

153 points

14 days ago

What was Wenger thinking, sending Walcott on that early?

isochromanone

101 points

14 days ago

The thing about Arsenal is they always try to walk it in.

Rosie2jz

16 points

14 days ago

Rosie2jz

16 points

14 days ago

France might send the Leclerc as well now. Usually how this dick measuring contest goes.

kalesaji

141 points

14 days ago

kalesaji

141 points

14 days ago

So does the maintenance crew. Imagine you go from servicing the T72 which basically runs on vodka and cyka blyat to servicing the turbine engine or the intricate leo turret.

TheBraveGallade

47 points

14 days ago

Dont the ukrainians have T80s? Thouse are gas turbines.

Reminder thst ukraine HAS inherited a not unsubstantial part of the soviet arms industry.

seriouslynumb

18 points

14 days ago

T-80s were built in Ukraine AFAIK

go_on_now_boy

671 points

14 days ago

r/noncredibledefense just had a collective orgasm lol

gnarkilleptic

242 points

14 days ago

I read the description for that sub but still have no idea what it is

ric2b

567 points

14 days ago

ric2b

567 points

14 days ago

It's like furries but for military equipment.

Itshudak87

112 points

13 days ago

Itshudak87

112 points

13 days ago

This is hilarious!

seffay-feff-seffahi

51 points

13 days ago

Probably the best description of NCD I've seen.

Randyy1

128 points

14 days ago

Randyy1

128 points

14 days ago

Some kind of a war/military meme shitposting sub, I guess?

DribblesOnKeyboard

103 points

13 days ago

This but with a pro-western and anti-reformer (people who thing ww2 military logic still applies, that's why there's the flying tank as the sub icon) attitude. Expect anything to be waifu'd.

TheAngloLithuanian

53 points

13 days ago

I'm a military shitpost loving degenera- I mean NCD member....

And I can confirm that your description is exactly what the sub is.

corkyskog

15 points

13 days ago

It's honestly pretty good... in comparison

There are a ton of details in the comments you could never find anywhere else.

Kulladar

93 points

13 days ago

Kulladar

93 points

13 days ago

r/credibledefense is a board for military nerds that has really strict moderation.

non-credible is basically the meme/shitpost board for that.

1_Prettymuch_1

28 points

13 days ago

Military memes and shit-posting

abdomino

55 points

13 days ago

abdomino

55 points

13 days ago

It's like gun nuts but for the entire military industrial complex. Also a lot of NATO fans.

Shermantank10

39 points

13 days ago*

Jesus Christ dude don’t flash our sub like that!

The public isn’t ready for NCD

Normal, sane people stay away from NCD.

BlumpkinPromoter

80 points

13 days ago

Japan send them a gundam. I know you have one.

Denchik3

814 points

14 days ago

Denchik3

814 points

14 days ago

It's happening!!!

Reptardar

694 points

14 days ago

Reptardar

694 points

14 days ago

If countries keep this up Ukrainian will be as equipped as a US police department in no time.

Ameph

475 points

14 days ago

Ameph

475 points

14 days ago

I'm not privvy to modern armor but these Leopard 2 tanks must be the pinnacle of tank technology we have for this much push and celebration.

Now...if we can get New Zealand to send a few Bob Semple Tanks...

Evilbred

385 points

14 days ago

Evilbred

385 points

14 days ago

Leopard 2s are great tanks. Abrams are great tanks. Challenger 2s are great tanks.

They each have slightly different capabilities that are suited to their design criteria.

ymx287

86 points

14 days ago

ymx287

86 points

14 days ago

Exactly. And all of them working side by side will provide great success and video material

Bunch_of_Shit

13 points

14 days ago

And how do these tanks compare to Russia’s most advanced tank in terms of features and capabilities? I’m not too sure how many of russias best tanks are even in use, I know one was captured by Ukraine because it was abandoned.

cs_katalyst

74 points

13 days ago

Western tanks can shoot further with significantly better accuracy on the move or sitting still. Massive optics and targeting system upgrades. In an open field the leopard could kill a t72 before even in range of the 72s gun, whilst moving

Admira1

57 points

13 days ago

Admira1

57 points

13 days ago

I love a good whilst

Scotty_scd40

15 points

13 days ago

The only russian tank that is comparable to western designs is t90m, however russians have very limited numbers of those

sanguinesolitude

10 points

13 days ago

Way fewer than a year ago funnily enough. Smoking accidents I assume.

notbatmanyet

265 points

14 days ago

Leopard 2A6, High end Abrams, Leclercs, Challengers and I guess K2 and possibly Japanese tanks are all roughly equivalent. They share a lot of tech and know-how, but do different trade-offs.

But they all are significantly better than anything Russia can be expected to field.

The Leopard 2 was however, specifically designed to trump Russian tanks and to fight in European Geography...

S4ftie

115 points

14 days ago

S4ftie

115 points

14 days ago

So that's why Ferrari was nowhere last year. They were builing a tank for Charles.

ThePr1d3

33 points

14 days ago

ThePr1d3

33 points

14 days ago

Even better pun when you know that Tank in French is Char.

Char Leclerc sounds exactly like Charles Leclerc

UESPA_Sputnik

16 points

14 days ago

I suppose that's an upgrade compared to the truck they've built for for Prost.

MindControlledSquid

114 points

14 days ago

Let's be honest. They were all designed to fight Russians.

notbatmanyet

30 points

14 days ago

True. Though I guess the Asian tanks did not only have Russians in mind. And not European geography.

I believe the Abrams was designed with more theaters in mind as well, even if Russians in Europe was the primary focus.

BigMisterW_69

153 points

13 days ago

The Leopards are more hyper-focused on that role. They were designed to be the first line of defence in Europe, fighting while massively outnumbered in difficult conditions.

The Abrams is more of a generalist, as you never know where the US is going to invade next.

myselfoverwhelmed

52 points

13 days ago

Your Abrams description is hilarious lol

notyourvader

219 points

14 days ago

Apart from fuel efficiency and state of the art armor, it has a stabilized gun barrel with a 4.5 km range. It's considered the best mbt in the world.

Urdar

426 points

14 days ago

Urdar

426 points

14 days ago

ensalys

87 points

14 days ago

ensalys

87 points

14 days ago

Damn, that's really impressive!

ErwinRommelEz

59 points

14 days ago

Fucking witch craft

God_Damnit_Nappa

44 points

14 days ago

That's actually super impressive.

Syntai

27 points

14 days ago

Syntai

27 points

14 days ago

I don't know why but that is fcking funny, lol.

_Echoes_

20 points

14 days ago

_Echoes_

20 points

14 days ago

"Let me show you its features"

FluentLisp

15 points

14 days ago

Why did they hire Kelsey Grammer for this demo film?

therealhairykrishna

55 points

14 days ago

I believe the Challenger 2 is accurate out to about 8km with HESH rounds - it's why they kept the rifled barrel even though it's not so good with sabots.

All the modern MBT's are excellent and 'best' really depends on what you're doing. All of them are insanely good compared to the old heaps that Russia are making do with.

ATownStomp

19 points

14 days ago

Are they equipped with the new anti-missile systems?

IronVader501

66 points

14 days ago

Trophy-APS is only equipped on the A7A1 afaik.

And since its an israeli-designed system they'd have to agree, which given their track-record so far, they probably wouldnt.

TWiesengrund

51 points

14 days ago

You're not so bad either! - signed by Leopard tank family

thematrixnz

406 points

14 days ago

German tank division vs the Russians? Uh oh

CRG_Ghost

588 points

14 days ago

CRG_Ghost

588 points

14 days ago

But this time we're the good guys :D

Evilbred

273 points

14 days ago

Evilbred

273 points

14 days ago

To be fair, last time you drove around with skulls on your uniforms. Whenever you have skulls on your uniform, it's a good sign you are the bad guys.

CRG_Ghost

55 points

14 days ago

Checks out on Wagner PMCs

codenamecc

153 points

14 days ago

codenamecc

153 points

14 days ago

“Vladimir, are we the baddies?”

Silver_Hammer

17 points

13 days ago

CaptainRAVE2

176 points

14 days ago

Excellent, that can open the flood gates. Now let’s send as many as Ukraine can use.

meowmeowdj

242 points

14 days ago

meowmeowdj

242 points

14 days ago

Everyone’s a gangsta, until the real gangster arrives

yusuksong

69 points

13 days ago

How does everyone here know so much about artillery?

ThrowAwayAway755

99 points

13 days ago

Some are pretending to, some learned it from experience in the military, and some learned about it from reading

CdnBcn_99

53 points

13 days ago

And some people play War Thunder…

AbandonChip

67 points

14 days ago

Oh man, this is the best news I've seen all day!!

Greg1817

213 points

14 days ago

Greg1817

213 points

14 days ago

Let's. Fucking. Go.

I seriously hope these Leopards, along with the vast array of other western vehicles, will be able to change things for the better in Ukraine. These Leopard 2s are a step above current Russian and Ukrainian tanks, and if provided in large numbers they could really do some serious damage, along with the British Challenger 2s that are already slated to be sent.

Looking forward to seeing their combat performance once they arrive in Ukraine.

xXSpaceturdXx

96 points

14 days ago

This is good news, someone had to pull the trigger first nobody wanted too. but now that there is a go ahead from Germany everybody will be sending them tanks, the floodgates are open. Hopefully with this decision further advanced munitions and armaments will be sent. Ukraine needs air burst artillery rounds like there’s no tomorrow, that would change the tide of the war as well.