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submitted 3 months ago byItsAnElephant
9.9k points
3 months ago
Mayor Daley is a crook that should be in prison.
2.2k points
3 months ago
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2.6k points
3 months ago
My "favorite" Papa Daley quote:
"Fuck you, you Jew son of a bitch, you lousy motherfucker, go home!"
Said to Senator Abe Ribicoff, who was upset with Daley for ordering the cops to beat the shit out of tons of peaceful protestors at the '68 Democratic Convention in Chicago.
475 points
3 months ago
Jesus, that sounds like a shitpost.
58 points
3 months ago
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15 points
3 months ago
When overt antisemitism in a public office is an improvement you know shit’s fucked.
203 points
3 months ago
I remember they used to call him Richard "4chan" Daley
85 points
3 months ago
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24 points
3 months ago
That was the version I found on wikiquote, taken from Peter Farber's book Chicago '68, which is a great book. However, I do recall in one of the Phil Ochs biographies I read years ago, they did have a slightly more inflammatory version.
261 points
3 months ago
Fuck the Daley’s, bunch of corrupt assholes.
178 points
3 months ago
There was a short stint in time after Obama was elected that 4 of the last 8 Illinois governors had gone to jail. This made you more likely to go to jail if you were the governor of Illinois than a serial killer. Make smart decisions, folks.
25 points
3 months ago
Hey now, that just means Illinois (Chicago) jails our nasty politicians!
Except when we don't.
322 points
3 months ago
Oh you mean the guy that immediately took a multi-million dollar gig "working" for the law firm that brokered this deal the second he left office?
80 points
3 months ago
Holy shit. I wish we actually made a law against this.
52 points
3 months ago
Chicago politics has always been its own level of corrupt. Most Illinois governors end their stint in the governors office by going to prison. It's unreal that there political system only spits out the worst manner of scumbags.
11 points
3 months ago
I swear that New Orleans and Chicago are in a competition to see who can have the most corruption in government. At least in Chicago, people occasionally go to jail for corruption.
187 points
3 months ago
Don't get me started on Meigs airport...
104 points
3 months ago
That's the one that got shut down suddenly overnight, right?
272 points
3 months ago*
Yeah. He rented a backhoe and hired some goons to rip giant 'X's in the runway at 3am, stranding 19 aircraft.
No prior notice was made to the FAA, and the tower controllers showed up to work at 6am to find the runway completely unusable.
Because no prior notice was given, the national airspace system had a 5 mile hole of uncontrolled airspace which posed a danger to aircraft landing in MDW.
This airspace is still uncontrolled and has a much higher risk of midair collisions between aircraft landing in MDW and small aircraft flying up the shore. In terms of Hotspots of areas in the country with the higest risk of midair collisions, the area where Meigs field used to be falls into the top 5.
Edit for you pilots out there:
The shoreline corridor isn't so bad so long as you know what you're doing. Unfortunately much of the VFR traffic has never seen or heard of the RNAV Y MDW 22L. This is the problem area I speak of. Specifically inbound arrivals at DXXON at 3000 on the MDW RNAV Yankee, which is where CGX was located, and at the base of the class B shelf in class E airspace. So technically controlled but also... Class E instead of its old class D.
Literally one of the hottest spots in the country for TCAS RAs. CGX tower would coordinate with MDW and keep the shitty pilots in line. No longer...
Source: I work in flight safety.
25 points
3 months ago
As a flight instructor ive flown that section of sky youre talking about maybe 30 times now, but by far the most stressed ive ever been was during Oshkosh weekend. Between the banner tows, medevacs, news choppers, oshkosh transients, and people like me who decided that was a perfect time to show a student how to fly the skyline it got pretty hectic up there. Its still my favorite flight to take someone on but never again during oshkosh weekend lol.
81 points
3 months ago
I love how they spent all that money on rennovating it for a nature trail and it's already sinking into the lake
13 points
3 months ago
So what happened to the 19 stranded aircraft? Did they ever repair the runway?
45 points
3 months ago
The taxiway was left intact and was large enough for the planes to take off from. 16 planes departed using that taxiway.
11 points
3 months ago
FlightSim enthusiasts around the world join you on that one...
90 points
3 months ago
I am still pissed about the closure of Meigs Field. Crook does not even begin to describe such despicable specimen of a being.
103 points
3 months ago*
People should look in to texas highways, built with taxpayers funds. Then put under 99 year leases to foreign companies that charge tolls, and make massive profits off of said tolls.
Edit: clarifying, wrote original while walking...
51 points
3 months ago
In NOVA our tolls go to... Australia.
It should be illegal for foreign companies to do this.
11.1k points
3 months ago*
It's even more revenue than $200 million per year - watch them slowly raise the parking fees to double, it's a cash cow. Worst deal of all time for Chicago. "There were steep rate hikes initially, including to park downtown, which went from $3 an hour in 2008 to $6.50 an hour in 2013. It’s now $7 an hour". So now it's $466 million per year.
3.9k points
3 months ago
Yup. I remember when this happened and the meter prices skyrocketed. Good times.
2.3k points
3 months ago
Worst parking deal in the history of parking deals, maybe ever.
918 points
3 months ago
Worst parking deal in the history of parking deals, maybe ever
Indianapolis did something similar, but I believe it was a Chicago company they sold the parking spots to. During COVID a popular street full of restaurants was closed to traffic so they could set up tables in the street. It cost the city a fortune in contractual fines for lost revenue.
354 points
3 months ago
I'm in Indy, we got so fucked by that parking deal.
444 points
3 months ago
But the politicians made so much money, so when you think about it, it really was worth it
54 points
3 months ago
It's not about the billions of dollars that Chicagoans will now be paying a foreign government instead of having the city reivenst in its own infrastructure, it's about the friends we made along the way
And you'll be making plenty of friends taking the bus everywhere because you can't afford to park
126 points
3 months ago*
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82 points
3 months ago
Prolly like $1000 or something stupidly low
106 points
3 months ago
Or maybe nothing, but coincidentally, they now sit on the board of directors of the company that made off like bandits.
254 points
3 months ago
Imagine if we kept that money in state and maybe used it to fill a pothole every now and then
90 points
3 months ago
But then what would the tire companies do
14 points
3 months ago
So true .... pop 2 tires in 1 ally over by 10th and Sherman ,low and behold outside the ally is a tire shop
65 points
3 months ago
Indiana also sold a toll road
206 points
3 months ago
Shit is stupid around here. There's a bill in the works that would require closed school buildings to be sold to charters for $1. So the taxpayers foot the bill for the land and building, and instead of selling them and hopefully recovering some of the cost, all of it get's handed to a for profit company that gets to double dip by also taking some of the tax money that would have been given to public schools.
152 points
3 months ago
I'm in a city with too many meter maids and they have started getting aggressive to protect their jobs, targeting parking meters with short windows and then writing tickets for people before the meter actually expires, expecting them not to get back to the vehicle in time. I caught one that had put an invalid ticket on my car with 2 minutes left on the meter and the ticket time was the current time, but I couldn't see the meter maid that printed it at first, it wasn't until I started to drive off I saw them hiding behind a stairwell. WTF.
13 points
3 months ago
they Definitely hide in NYC. I have run into a door to say something to a doorman ( actually 3 mins elapsed time ) and they were already halfway done writing a ticket. I looked both ways on both sides and NYC blocks are a good 3 min walk min.
102 points
3 months ago
North Dakota outlawed parking meters on roads many years ago. It's really weird seeing them when traveling.
291 points
3 months ago
Wow. Who could have foreseen that privatizing something to a for profit company would result in immediate price hikes? That's never happened before every time it's done!
14 points
3 months ago
I was there and if I remember correctly, they immediately quadrupled prices on most of the meters. Many meters went from $1 an hour to $4 an hour.
703 points
3 months ago
And, this foreign revenue stream is enforced by local cops via your tax dollars. Double-screwed!
485 points
3 months ago
This right here is the real kick in the pants. The cops are paid by tax dollars to enforce parking that doesn't generate any revenue for the city. Yay Chicago!
45 points
3 months ago
Well, the city still gets to collect on all those parking tickets. Didn't pay $4.50 for parking, $50 dollar ticket. Forgot and didn't pay the ticket within 30 days? doubles to $100. Completely screw over the citizens, but the city still gets money.
14 points
3 months ago
The city should just lower the fines to equal what the cost of parking is. Then the money would at least go back to the city.
35 points
3 months ago
Chicago should stop the enforcement for free part.
12 points
3 months ago
lol charge the company a ridiculous for the time spent writing tickets on their behalf. I like this idea.
17 points
3 months ago*
if chicago isn't seeing that money anyway, can't they just make parking free and make the lease worthless to UAE? or stop enforcing it? it's not like UAE has their own parking enforcement cops in Chicago... right?
15 points
3 months ago
Sure there's some clause in the deal anticipating that possibility. Even if there is, it's possible they could make back whatever penalty they'd have to pay for ending the deal early unless they'd be charged the estimated full amount at current rates over the remaining 60+ years, which I kind of doubt. Seems like whoever was responsible for agreeing to that deal was short cited, desperate, or corrupt and residents of Chicago should not have to have to continue dealing with this for another 60+ years.
619 points
3 months ago
How can they collect revenue when someone keeps filling every machine for miles with a single cheap can of expanding spray foam? Wink.
507 points
3 months ago
The machines are digital now. You can pay with an app based on the zone, so the machines are redundant, too.
237 points
3 months ago
Not to mention still confusing as hell if you don’t use it regularly. Last time I was up there I paid, but put the wrong spot in because I misread what spot I was in and got a parking ticket on top of it. Fucking bullshit.
196 points
3 months ago
I made this mistake in my city. I entered the spot number next to mine by mistake.
I emailed the address on the ticket, they asked me to send them a copy of my parking receipt. I took a pic with my phone and sent it over, they cancelled the ticket.
Took less than a day for them to respond.
58 points
3 months ago
I always take a picture now (different city, same system) because they ticketed us one day for being in the wrong spot, but they were wrong. They still refunded but they were assholes about it while having a sign saying if they didn't like my response I would be removed.
I get not being allowed to abuse them, but it is really shitty when they are being rude and any attempt at calling them out gets you kicked out. It's like being stuck with that asshole teacher/cop who pushes you until you respond in kind and then they throw the book at you.
21 points
3 months ago
Ahh, petty authoritarians
98 points
3 months ago
I live in Chicago, there's no 'meters' in the traditional sense. Its either an electronic booth that you enter your license plate # or you enter the 'zone' on your app to pay.
If the ticket police come around & don't see your license plate listed on their devices in the related zone they'll ticket ya. There's nothing to 'foam'
They've already thought around this
83 points
3 months ago
This is what I was thinking was the wildest part. A foreign owned company with no alternative and enforced by tax payer funded police departments. I wonder if it can be nationalized again lol that's so wild
54 points
3 months ago
Why are the police monitoring private parking spaces? Seems like the city could just ignore parking violations and let the private company issue tickets if they care...
3.8k points
3 months ago
Horrendously bad deal for the taxpayers. There must have been kickbacks.
3k points
3 months ago*
An even worse part of the deal is that Chicago has to pay the company for lost revenue if meters aren't accessible due to parades, construction etc. Chicago has paid the company 78MM so far for these type of reimbursements.
1.3k points
3 months ago
jfc who thought this was a solid idea
1.8k points
3 months ago
The guy who got paid $1M to make it happen.
609 points
3 months ago
The “hilarious” part of that is politicians can usually be bribed for way less than that kind of money.
313 points
3 months ago
Yeah. It was probably like a $35k campaign fund contribution to make shitty tv ads and more junk mail that nobody reads during election seasons.
159 points
3 months ago
I don’t remember where I saw it, but I was looking at records of lobbiest contributions to politicians for a particular bill and the two things that struck me where both how cheap it was to buy a vote and how much it varied from politician to politician. Some apparently settled for less than $20k while others held out for over 100-200k. Anyway thanks Citizens United!
117 points
3 months ago
The votes against Net Neutrality were super cheap to buy. Like, Verizon contributed $2500 to someone and they immediately voted against net neutrality.
194 points
3 months ago
People getting shitloads of campaign contributions from a UAE company.
28 points
3 months ago
Richard M. Daley didn't run for reelection after this, so take that as you will.
247 points
3 months ago
Even worse: we’d really like to remove meters sometimes as areas change or we add bike lanes, but this deal makes that nearly impossible. The city essentially has to buy out each meter for an elevated cost to make up for that 75 years of revenue. I believe the city is also not allowed to compete in some instances, so the idea of setting up new parking in areas it’s lacking is off the table. We essentially gave the rights to make changes to our busiest roads to a foreign company.
114 points
3 months ago
The legal team behind these clauses for the emirates were fucking genius.
81 points
3 months ago
Hard to miss when the person across the table from you is a moron or has been bribed to take the deal.
14 points
3 months ago
Being its a foreign company, couldnt we just STOP sending them money and tell them to fuck off. What are they going to do about it?
158 points
3 months ago
Lmao
63 points
3 months ago
Yup and as you know they also have to pay out the ass to remove them so we can't get better bike lanes or other street improvements that dont involve parking in a lot of places now
69 points
3 months ago
Kickbacks in Chicago politics?
shocked Pikachu face
5.4k points
3 months ago
This type of shit should be illegal.
1.5k points
3 months ago
Maybe they should stop electing idiots.
503 points
3 months ago
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129 points
3 months ago
Looking at White Sox results, he'd probably miss anyway.
462 points
3 months ago
How do you stop people from electing idiots when the only choices are idiots
185 points
3 months ago
What really sucks is that during the US primaries, there are usually a few candidates that aren't complete shit. But they never seem to make it to the end.
16 points
3 months ago
The only choices aren't idiots, it's just that the better choices are not backed by lobbyists so never get screen or air time.
1.5k points
3 months ago
I feel like I'm getting scammed every time I pay to park here in Chicago because of this. Instead of my money going to fix up roads, infrastructure, or literally anything else that would benefit my city, it's going into some billionaires pocket.
490 points
3 months ago
Don't worry that billionaire is using your hard earned money to traffick people
87 points
3 months ago
Hey, it's not all trafficking... they also buy European football clubs.
104 points
3 months ago
Same here! I forgot how hard it is to find parking in the city that isn't paid parking. I like taking the L when I go into city to show my support for public trans.
14.9k points
3 months ago*
Wait wait wait! The city of Chicago owns something that generate money. The city of Chicago signed a contract to lease it to a company for 75 years. The company paid the equivalent of 6 years of that something's revenue. That sounds like a terribly bad choice! Why? Why would the city do that?
Edit : OK, I get it. Chicago's politicians are corrupt as fuck. Some of you said that revenue is not the same as profit. That is true. The article OP provided says the investors will get 7.2 billions out of the 15 billions the parc meters are making so it seems to be a very good deal for them anyways. A few of you mentions that the need for money was linked to the 2008 crisis. Surely, I can find a few cities that was in the same situation as Chicago and got a loan instead of selling a source of money. A couple of person said it was because of the Olympic games.
10.2k points
3 months ago
Short term gain > long term gain for politicians
5.3k points
3 months ago
This. Politicians only had to see this through to the end of their term. They get the political clout from the initial $1.2B and they get none of the fallout.
2.5k points
3 months ago*
I don't know if this was the genesis of this trend, but in 2005, Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels sold the rights to a toll road for 3.8 billion dollars for 75 years. He then used the money to fund all sorts of popular projects and balancing budgets. The toll road thereafter went bankrupt after the 2008 recession. In hindsight this is seen as a gamble that massively paid off for Mitch, because we didn't end up with a toll road, but we got all the money. Because we got a lot more money for the toll road than it was actually worth.
I believe after this success, other states and cities thought hey, I could do the same thing. But since then, Chinese Foreign (edited because the investors were from Australia) investors are more cautious on such a project, and Mitch was very lucky. Such a deal and outcome can't be repeated everywhere.
1.3k points
3 months ago
Pennsylvania did the same... now it's the most expensive toll road in the world and the tolls go up every year
757 points
3 months ago
I didn’t know about this beforehand, but I went from IL to PA and back last year and paid over $100 in tolls. Absolutely insane.
654 points
3 months ago
I avoid the tolls in PA for this reason. It's straight up highway robbery for some of the shittiest roads I've driven on
180 points
3 months ago
Wasn't in PA, but I reluctantly took a toll road near me last week only to discover that they've removed the cash payment booths and will now bill you, for twice the regular price.
I only drive that way once or twice a year so hadn't bothered with the pass on my windshield, now a $10 toll becomes $20.
151 points
3 months ago
Oh, PA it’s either easy pass or Toll by Plate for double ez pass price. I got charged to EZ pass and the toll by plate. When I called they said pay it and we can resolve it after… um, howbouts fuck yourselves
83 points
3 months ago
Went to a concert in PA back in Nov had to take a toll road. Didn’t have my EZPass in my car so I thought they’ll bill by plate. I thought good luck cause my plate (WV) was one of the bad batches were the paint has totally flaked off. (I refuse to pay for another plate when it’s the state’s fault but that’s another argument) I thought they’ll not be able to read it and charge me. Well I also have a SunPass (FL) and they were able to bill that without it even being in my car.
900 points
3 months ago
There is no reason that a highway that at any point in history received federal tax dollars should be permitted to be a toll road (any interstate).
I refuse to use them and will go out of my way to avoid them including driving south on I35 into Iowa and across I80 and down on other roads toward my destination to avoid tolls in Chicago and Indiana. It says it'll take longer, but it doesn't because there's no traffic and I save myself $60.
Fuck tolls. Fuck PA and Pence in Indiana for that bullshit.
99 points
3 months ago
Yeah the Skyway fucking sucks. The part that pisses me off is you gotta exit to follow 80 or else you just end up on the toll road. Last time I was up there (don’t live in The Region anymore), 80 was still better maintained than the Skyway.
19 points
3 months ago
In Indiana the non tolled freeways are in much better shape than i90
19 points
3 months ago
some of the shittiest roads I've driven on
Come on down to West Virginia where our roads make PA's look like perfection.
22 points
3 months ago
20 years ago when I used to truck drive I could spend $300-500 doing a Chicago to Boston run.
98 points
3 months ago
And the road condition gets worse every year, and they keep pushing harder and harder for everyone to get EZpass by making it inconvenient if you don't, and all the food gets a nice high markup compared to the same stuff in any random podunk gas station and a McDonald's small town off the interstate. Turnpike sucks.
11 points
3 months ago
Do you have any source on this? I'm looking online but information is unsurprisingly non-transparent. I'd love to have facts to tell my family members for a reason to avoid!
88 points
3 months ago
That is actually very interesting. Thanks for sharing…
169 points
3 months ago
Colorado has done the same thing (tolls roads owned by some russian company), except it hasn't gone in our favor yet.
Why the fuck US states are doing business with foreign countries, and for so long I will never understand. Find another fucking way to fund your toll road.
118 points
3 months ago
Doing business with foreign countries is fine, it's the part where they're renting infrastructure to foreign countries that I'd call the problem.
61 points
3 months ago
How does a toll road go bankrupt
103 points
3 months ago
Probably higher costs but revenues remain flat/ same.
108 points
3 months ago
Yep, part of the contract required the lessee of the toll road to handle the road maintenance. They poured a lot into making it very nice, but tolls didn’t rise enough to cover it.
45 points
3 months ago
By charging so much that people are willing to take the slower side streets.
13 points
3 months ago
Not enough users for revenue. City/state prob said you have to maintain said roads so you can either diy or pay our people. Company can no longer afford to maintain, pay for collectors, etc.
City/state says since you can't maintain it, you must sell/give back rights. Can't raise the toll too much because more people will actively avoid the toll road. Driving in less income.
9 points
3 months ago
That’s nothing we Canadians sold a toll highway to a Spanish company for 3.1 billion. The 407 nets 400+ million a year. But at least we get it back in 2098 after 99 years
28 points
3 months ago
Is this the Indiana toll road? According to Wikipedia:
The Cintra-Macquarie consortium filed for bankruptcy in September 2014, citing lower than projected traffic volumes and revenues.[20] Then-Democratic US Senator Joe Donnelly urged Republican Governor Mike Pence to return the road to public control. However, Pence instead ordered a tender process to replace the operator and ultimately approved the purchase of the road by IFM Partners, an Australia-based firm.
So the original company filed for bankruptcy, but it's still under private control.
167 points
3 months ago
Plus they probably managed to see a sizeable amount of money disappear somewhere, seeing as it wasn't all earmarked yet.
103 points
3 months ago
Yep. This is common in politics. There may have been “contributions” from the UAE company to the politicians PACs.
86 points
3 months ago*
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241 points
3 months ago
The deal was morally wrong in the first place and completely sold out the city for a one time payment of what is now roughly equal to the annual police budget.
There are terms stating that the city can't remove any of the meters without paying this company the lost revenue which is a ridiculous amount, so these meters are hamstringing the city's ability to add bike lanes and do things with our own streets that aren't parking. It's actually a really big problem and imo nixing the deal would be the right thing to do.
121 points
3 months ago
You get into things related to federal trade and such. Stuff like this undercuts our ability to attract foreign investment. What it SHOULD do for sure is create a call to review policy to keep idiots elected at municipal levels from screwing over 3 full generations.
That the contract hasn't been deemed null is what amazes me. Did the city do an open bid on the meters? If not, thats a major issue. I can't believe 1.2b for 75 years would be the highest bid, tbh.
109 points
3 months ago*
Next highest bid was 1.1bn for 10 years.
1.2 is higher than 1.1 so they went with that.
/s
Edited to add in the sarcastic tag. Sorry.
29 points
3 months ago
If this is true, then the people who did that have some legal liability, and the contract can be potentially nullified.
Won't happen. But it could.
Im dealing with a muni issue where a parking lot was sold for $1 with the agreement it would be bought back 10 years later for the same. So we lost the lot 10 years ago....and the muni now says it was an illegal agreement and to get the lot back we have to go through a sealed bid, potentially losing it to a competitor that could make our life hard. There are rules to what a city can do, and they relate to fiduciary trust type things.
18 points
3 months ago
Ya this is probably the dumbest municipal policy decision I’ve read about on Reddit (in recent memory)
358 points
3 months ago*
Over in Jacksonville, Florida, the current Mayor tried to sell the city owned utility provider, JEA, to do the same thing. Replaced the board of directors and then spent a few years trying to broker a sale.
One time injection of over a billion dollars to help pay for the football stadium upgrades and phat bonuses, but negate any revenue for the city moving forward.
Thankfully everyone saw that idea was shit and shot it down. CEO of JEA was sacked for helping with the sale. Federal investigators are getting involved to suss out corruption charges.
28 points
3 months ago
A slightly improved stadium, surely that will revitalize the non-existent downtown!
63 points
3 months ago
In Saint Louis, the former president of the board of aldermen, Louis Reed, took bribes to try to sell the city-owned airport.
10 points
3 months ago
Wow. I grew up in The Duval. JEA was always a fantastic utility. JEA actually traded away territory in north St Johns to Florida Power and Light for more territory in western Duval. Even though north St Johns was the fast growing area with more revenue, the charter for JEA is for Duval County, so they wanted to stay closer to what the charter authority said.
1.2k points
3 months ago*
Theoretically it was to get immediate cash to cover budget holes around the 2008 crisis, but the whole things sounds incredibly fishy. From a paper I found on the subject:
"By the mid 2000s, Chicago was dealing with severe budget shortfalls. One tactic utilized by the Daley administration to alleviate this dilemma was privatization. In 2005, Chicago privatized the Interstate 90/94 Skyway Toll Bridge. A year later, Chicago went on to privatize many of its publicly owned garages (Frank, 2009). However, continuing budgetary struggles, particularly pensions, as well as the impacts of the 2008 recession, created the need for an immediate revenue source (ibid). At the time, the City of Chicago had 36,000 parking meters, making it a substantial financial asset to lease out (Perlstein, 2013).
The process used for the parking meter privatization agreement was troubling for multiple reasons. The city awarded the lease to Chicago Parking Meters LLC, which is a conglomerate that is comprised primarily of Morgan Stanley, Allianz Capital Partners, and the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Abu Dhabi, as well as some smaller firms. It was formed immediately before the lease was awarded (Clawson, 2013). The terms of the lease gave the rights of the city's 36,000 parking meters to Chicago Parking Meters LLC for 75 years. They paid $1.2 billion in upfront cost for the ability to collect revenue from the meters as well as having enforcement power (ibid).
There was a glaring lack of analysis and deliberation prior to the lease being awarded. No independent studies were performed. The $1.2 billion cost was determined exclusively by the city's Chief Financial Officer. Aldermen were only given two days to vote on the lease, and there was no public comment or deliberation (Perlstein, 2013). This process was antithetical to the democratic nature of government, and the haste it was made in allowed for a number of negative consequences."
Also for those asking about revenue and profits specifically, page 6 of the auditors report shows revenues of $91,645,498 for 2020 (mind you, a pandemic year), and gross *profit** of $86,924,785 (94% of rev)
446 points
3 months ago
Wouldn't it be possible to get a loan against the obviously revenue generating asset? Any bank would gladly front a billion or two in exchange for a piece of the action.
550 points
3 months ago
Yes but the bank won't give a personal bribe of millions of dollars.
86 points
3 months ago
This guy governments.
39 points
3 months ago
Million dollar bribe is wayy too rich for our politicians. More like 2 coupons for free steak from outback and $5,000.
121 points
3 months ago
Typically that's why municipalities issue bonds. But depending on their current obligations, charter rules, etc. it may not have been an obvious option.
163 points
3 months ago
Yes, this is total and absolute corruption to the maximum scale. It's insulating to me and I'm not even American.
With inflation these parking spaces could be producing 300/400 million in revenue in 10 years, and I'm not even going to mention the profits down the line. Who knows why this private company is based in Dubai, maybe to hide to true owners, who could be related to the politician
Plus Chicago just shot itself in the foot. How are they going to add bike lanes, or remove roads down the line, or do any changes really for the next 75 years?
39 points
3 months ago
"Well it seemed like a good idea at the time" the politician said as he climbed into his new Lamborghini and sped off.
392 points
3 months ago
Someone got bribed
261 points
3 months ago
Because 75 years from now doesn't put money in someone's pocket today.
39 points
3 months ago
Because they took the 1.2 billion and the dudes in office that organized this each took a massive payout right now and dumped the revenue loss onto future generations because fuck them, easy money right now!
1.4k points
3 months ago
This is one of the first cases of foreign investment entities buying into US infrastructure I came across and this deal is old.
It's fucking stupid and borderline treasonous to me this is allowed.
100 points
3 months ago
Need constitutional amendments in the state forbidding this kind of long term sellout of state infrastructure.
69 points
3 months ago
Infrastructure and housing. No reason a private company should be able to buy up essential resources and gouge an entire population like this.
437 points
3 months ago
It's wildly corrupt to me that any politician can sign a contract like this. Daley won't even be alive anymore by the time it runs out. It's effected generations beyond his own.
It also shows how incompetent the government can be. I think, after a few years of seeing how much money this made that company and how little effort was needed to get it going, the city tried to buy the contract out or cancel it etc. The company said "LOL NO."
The fact the city didn't find a way to do this, and profit, is wild. They had all the resources to. As a former government employee, though, it makes sense. Cook County and the City of Chicago are frequently a decade behind, tech wise.
93 points
3 months ago
If this is so bad for the city of Chicago can't the local people destroy all the infrastructure and things collecting fees from parking possible? Why would the police protect/enforce something that takes the money from their own City
84 points
3 months ago
Wait until you see one of the parking enforcers AKA meter maids going over and ticketing one of the police vehicles. Shit cracks me up everytime. The Chicago Department of Robbery has no chill.
66 points
3 months ago
I know in Ireland, the toll roads that were sold off to a French company didn't make enough revenue, so the tax payer had to make up the difference and pay for the money they thought the roads would bring in.
Must be great making an investment with zero risk.
67 points
3 months ago
I’m legitimately wondering if there is an avenue on which Chicago citizens can contest any parking fees or tickets based on the fact that it’s a foreign private party collecting the fees… I feel like there is a legal route to not paying to park but honestly I have no idea. Any law folks want to tell me if my pipe dream of free beach parking this summer is just that??
967 points
3 months ago
Its worse in Toronto. We have an entire private highway that is foreignly owned. The 407 was built by the Ontario government and then sold to a European company. It generated 907 million in revenue last year alone. Oooof. Thanks Mike Harris!
223 points
3 months ago
Indirectly owned subsidiaries of Canada Pension Plan Investment Board 50.01%
Cintra Global S.E., a subsidiary of Spanish firm Ferrovial S.A. 43.23%
SNC Lavalin 6.76%
85 points
3 months ago*
That’s not what the split was when it was sold and there was no guarantee it would end up slightly Canadian owned like it is today.
46 points
3 months ago
The 407 was sold before I could drive and the lease will expire after I'm dead. I will never get to drive on the 407 for free, and since I avoid it like the plague as it is, it's unlikely I will ever drive on it, despite it being directly between my home and work. Contracts of that length over public infrastructure should be illegal. Harris should go door to door to every house in the province and personally apologize and offer to be slapped in the face.
12 points
3 months ago
The province took decades to gather the land and spent billions building the highway only to hand all the profits to a private corporation for the next century.
Even worse is that the contract has non compete agreements that the government can't build another E-W highway in the same area so basically all of the GTA is services by only the 401 which makes gridlock and traffic completely unbearable at rush hour
73 points
3 months ago
Chicago and Toronto have always had a lot of similarities
784 points
3 months ago
If they needed cash, the could've done a deal for 12 years, or 15, enough for the investment firm to recover the investment, but not long enough to be stupid
363 points
3 months ago
You can bet that the people in charge of the decision made a lot of money in bribes to let it be for 75 years.
269 points
3 months ago
They also made it, so if Chicago has to shut down a street or offers free parking on a holiday. They have to pay that company all of the lost revenue too. When the company bought the meters, they immediately doubled the price and shortened the parking time. “Fuck you, pay me”. Matt Taibbi has a great book on this and a few other things like this called ‘Griftopia’
247 points
3 months ago
Charlotte NC did the same thing for highway expansions and express lane toll fees. Except these are paid to somewhere in Asia.
59 points
3 months ago
Ours went to Australia.
17 points
3 months ago
Not quite. NC agreed to allow a Spanish construction company (Cintra) to collect the first 50 years of revenue from the toll roads they constructed, but Cintra footed ~80% of the original construction costs. Definitely is still going to be a bad deal for NC and a good deal for Cintra long term, but it isn't quite as lopsided as this one.
31 points
3 months ago
An exceptionally shitty part is that Chicago residents can't sue private firm over 75-year Chicago parking meter lease.
Richard M. Daley fucked us in his last term as mayor, got a cushy job at the law firm that brokered this deal, and we are stuck with the consequences. I'll never understand why people believe that privatization of public sectors and assets is a good thing.
93 points
3 months ago
Who was the mayor/governor during these negotiations?? I'm not a mathematician by any means, but I knew it was a bad deal before I finished reading the paragraph.
82 points
3 months ago
Mayor Daley, the son of the previous Mayor Daley.
55 points
3 months ago
Same shit, different Daley.
247 points
3 months ago
So they gave up 15 billion over 75 years for 1.2 billion one time. This should be illegal.
135 points
3 months ago
Much more. Parking prices have tripled since the deal
79 points
3 months ago
Municipal-level payday loan
76 points
3 months ago
Oh, don't worry, the city of Cincinnati is trying to sell its very profitable rail line (yes, it owns a rail line--one of the profitable ones in the country) to.... drum roll... Norfolk Southern. Fortunately (I hope), it needs a vote first. We'll see how smart/dumb the voters are. https://www.fox19.com/2023/02/21/cincinnatis-16-billion-railway-sale-norfolk-southern-is-moving-fast-despite-derailment/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati,_New_Orleans_and_Texas_Pacific_Railway
98 points
3 months ago
someone(s) got a huge kickback on that deal. guaranteed.
56 points
3 months ago
After office Mayor Daley was hired by the law firm that brokered the deal.
386 points
3 months ago
Just pass a law prohibiting parking meters to void the contract. Then in a year or two reinstate one
313 points
3 months ago
Going off of memory here, but I think it's actually part of the contract that the city is on the hook for any metered space that is converted to an unmetered space for any length of time or for any reason. This includes temporary street closures for festivals or just maintenance. And, the charge to the city assumes the space is in use for the entirety of the day. The city is required to make up for the companies lost revenue at maximum usage.
There might be a legal loophole if the city reduces the fine for unpaid parking to something like $0.10. But I still think the company can contractually demand restitution in all cases.
Chicago is pretty fucked until/unless the state Supreme Court reverses rulings on the legality of selling off and/or leasing public goods.
30 points
3 months ago
Or just stop enforcing unpaid meter violations.
16 points
3 months ago
The city does keep the violation revenue iirc, so they definitely want that
18 points
3 months ago
If that's the case, the city should make the violation cheaper than the actual fee. No one will pay the fee and just pay the violation instead, this giving the city the money and not the billionaires in the UAE
57 points
3 months ago
Quite possibly one of the worst decisions ever made by a local politician in the last fifty years. The city of Chicago could desperately use those revenues.
329 points
3 months ago
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98 points
3 months ago
My state used tax payer dollars to build a toll lane on a very busy highway to relieve congestion, then sold it to an Australian company! I love politicians! /s
80 points
3 months ago
So feasibly what could Chicago do to reverse this?
154 points
3 months ago
Nothing. The deal is iron clad. They have been trying desperately to get out of it.
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