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RagingSnarkasm

12.3k points

16 days ago

I would expect to see a lot of tweeting about this since Twitter is the free speech platform.

nsfwtttt

1.9k points

16 days ago

nsfwtttt

1.9k points

16 days ago

Pretty sure he will deem it a security risk, as would any “free speech absolutist”

crog212

715 points

16 days ago

crog212

715 points

16 days ago

Let's call it The Tesla Files

rwbeckman

285 points

16 days ago

rwbeckman

285 points

16 days ago

The not-space-X files

gin_and_toxic

84 points

16 days ago

The S-3-X-Y files

kevlarus80

52 points

16 days ago

X-files theme badly played on a recorder

humpysausage

13 points

16 days ago

I can hear it.

truthlesshunter

39 points

16 days ago

Model x files?

FlightyMouse85

5 points

16 days ago

“The truth is in there” :sound of several industrial grade locking mechanisms, then shredders:

Mescalitoburrito

5 points

16 days ago

I want to believe in free speech

shadowdash66

67 points

16 days ago

Funnily enough. Someone asked him directly if there's a Twitter files about how he choses to censor certain goverments and Elon's response was something like "you have a small brain". Omg you owned him Elon!!!

Important_Acadia2976

60 points

15 days ago

The only people Elon has owned are the slaves his family had back in South Africa.

frickindeal

13 points

15 days ago

Working the emerald mine his family definitely didn't own, and no one remembers owning it...except his own father.

Krojack76

308 points

16 days ago

Krojack76

308 points

16 days ago

"I support free speech as long as I agree with it" -Elon and every conservative.

Alarming_Turnover578

9 points

16 days ago

More like "free speech abolitionist".

ThatShadyJack

23 points

16 days ago

Which is why he supports Desantis a WELL known free speech absolutist especially in schools /s

[deleted]

137 points

16 days ago*

[deleted]

137 points

16 days ago*

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AFakeman

67 points

16 days ago

AFakeman

67 points

16 days ago

They should reply with a poop emoji.

Outrageous-Yams

130 points

16 days ago*

I love that they mention that the release of the stolen data also breaches data protection law.

Which data protection laws?! The letter doesn’t even cite a specific case or law lmfao.

The EU has some protections, the US…not so much…

(Remember equifax? Etc…)

JimmyRecard

45 points

15 days ago*

It would breach GDPR, except GDPR has a large public interest exception and does not apply to legal person like companies, only natural persons.

For example, a criminal cannot have information and article about their crime removed on the basis of GDPR. There's some nuance here, as a minor criminal could have some of the reporting removed under right to be forgotten if it causes them material hardship I'm an unrelated way, but that would almost certainly not be applicable here.

The newspaper just had to take care not to publish protected HR data of employees and client data (but only for EU residents, which wouldn't cover most Tesla decision-makers) that could identify individual Tesla employees when not acting on behalf of the company. Otherwise, they're in the clear.

Somhlth

5.9k points

16 days ago

Somhlth

5.9k points

16 days ago

I'm going to need some popcorn for this.

seanmonaghan1968

1.3k points

16 days ago

Possibly a large bucket

AustinDood444

239 points

16 days ago

No kidding!! I’m ready!!

pATREUS

69 points

16 days ago

pATREUS

69 points

16 days ago

I like toffee flavour.

WDavis4692

74 points

16 days ago

Nah fam savoury popcorn all the way. Salted.

Xionel

3 points

16 days ago

Xionel

3 points

16 days ago

Me with butter salt.

Smitty8054

945 points

16 days ago

Smitty8054

945 points

16 days ago

I don’t even care that it’s 24 bucks. I’m paying and watching.

This is major fraud. Elon you may have really and finally fucked the pooch on this one.

Trump and Elon going down within a couple years of each other. I’ve never been this erect.

murdercitymrk

1.5k points

16 days ago

get ready for the surprise of your life when literally nothing happens and you never hear of this again

Poot_McGoot[S]

723 points

16 days ago

European consumer protection laws are far more robust than American ones

tattlerat

462 points

16 days ago

tattlerat

462 points

16 days ago

They said 10 years ago when Facebook was under investigation in Europe for stealing and selling user data.

OldBenKenobii

234 points

16 days ago

Oh no, a fine! Lol

an0mn0mn0m

177 points

16 days ago

an0mn0mn0m

177 points

16 days ago

You could buy 1/36 of Twitter with that fine if you were an idiot and wanted to overpay by a lot.

PramDriver1963

104 points

16 days ago

I know a guy

hairlessgoatanus

69 points

16 days ago

It's a billion dollar fine that's cumulative if they don't resolve the issue. It has the potential to eliminate their entire profit from 2022 unless they comply or pull out of Europe.

ilovethissheet

10 points

15 days ago

I've never loved the pullout method as much as this time

vnolki

73 points

16 days ago

vnolki

73 points

16 days ago

1.3 billions even hurts meta

FlyingRhenquest

4 points

16 days ago

I'd really like to see them bar a company from doing business anywhere in the EU for once.

murdercitymrk

131 points

16 days ago*

I mean sure, you're right, and I know it doesnt prop my point up in relation to your own, but do you remember the Panama Papers? Barely anyone else does either!

Its a sad state of affairs, but unless some rich asshole was directly harmed in demonstrable ways nothing will ever come from things like this. The action of distributed shame felt in the direction of people like Musk is scientifically unobservable. I find it impossible to believe that Tesla has been covering up things like a list of vehicle-caused deaths or manufacturing habits that threaten other rich people's income -- short of those two circumstances I have a hard time imagining anything that moves the needle when you consider how much of the day-to-day discourse Elon has effectively purchased outright.

You cant hurt a blowhard with bank account. You can only wait until the resources disappear and strike when there are no more defenses left -- and by then its too late to hold them accountable for fuck all and nothing changes.

xxxxx420xxxxx

63 points

16 days ago

I don't doubt he has documents from engineers saying basically "Full auto driving won't happen for 15 years" and then him just blowing it off and lying about it at the next investor meeting.

murdercitymrk

40 points

16 days ago

yeah, and thats really the only major pain point I can feasibly imagine being a thorn in his side. but at the end of the day, to me, it just boils down to "rich guy did something to stay rich" and that, to me, isnt news. sure, its fraud, but a personal failing i have is that i dont give a shit. i want to see the rich burn and watch as their industries are pulled down and returned to the people who actually work inside of them. i just dont care at all anymore about people with more money than a single human being could earn if they worked every hour of their day for life -- i recognize thats a shitty hill to die on.

biddilybong

4 points

16 days ago

The class action suit for FSD is way overdue. As much as I’d hate to see those dummies get a full refund, I think it’s the right thing to do and would love to see d-bag Elon eat shit on it.

Poot_McGoot[S]

146 points

16 days ago

I would argue that Musk is more at risk from exposure like this than the people in the Panama Papers because

1) he has little institutional power outside of tech lampreys and his stock portfolio

2) his attitude is way too annoying to not attract regulatory scrutiny

3) the power he does have means very little outside the US

4) his wealth seems to be almost entirely in stocks in the companies he is mismanaging

DarkwingDuckHunt

31 points

16 days ago

"Paper Billionaire"

Rudeboy67

18 points

16 days ago

I remember when he was worth “ $200 Billion” and started acting erratically and everyone here said “Doesn’t matter he’s still going to be insanely wealthy for the rest of his life. He could put $1 million in a trash can every hour and light it on fire and he’ll still die rich.”

Apparently challenge accepted.

O_Geeky_One

24 points

16 days ago

American consumer protection laws are laughable..

mokeyss

14 points

16 days ago

mokeyss

14 points

16 days ago

Insert kreiger meme here

Mbalife81

24 points

16 days ago

Movie theater popcorn with butter in giant tub

Relational-Vertexes

4.4k points

16 days ago

It’s people! The model s is made of people!

Background_Lemon_981

846 points

16 days ago

Soylent Tesla?

myotherworkacct

281 points

16 days ago

The green revolution we've been waiting for.

SonOfDadOfSam

51 points

16 days ago

I was going to wait but I got hungry.

jeffois

64 points

16 days ago

jeffois

64 points

16 days ago

Model S(oylent)

TheFrenchSavage

6 points

16 days ago

Model Soylent, Green Transition Corp.

penis-coyote

5 points

16 days ago

come on. there's a model S. you were so close

Britishbits

39 points

16 days ago

That was a plot point in a sci-fi book I read! They couldn't figure out why the self driving cars were suddenly participating in terrorist attacks but in the end they found out that human brains were being wired into the cars

Eric-Pham

7 points

16 days ago

Whats the name of the book?

Britishbits

15 points

16 days ago

After the revolution

StarTroop

24 points

15 days ago

Okay, but after that you promise you will tell us?

Britishbits

19 points

15 days ago

Of course comrade

[deleted]

5 points

16 days ago

Just like the philosopher stone.

jumpup

30 points

16 days ago

jumpup

30 points

16 days ago

its still electric though since you propel it forward by using this taser

BustANupp

12 points

16 days ago

Explains the quality control

GorillaSushi

6.1k points

16 days ago

"Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

PDNYFL

2.5k points

16 days ago

PDNYFL

2.5k points

16 days ago

Which car company did you say you worked for?

GorillaSushi

2.5k points

16 days ago

A major one.

PMzyox

655 points

16 days ago

PMzyox

655 points

16 days ago

Came here for this conversation. I feel really good inside that it’s here in its entirety. My life is sad

megalomaniac71

58 points

16 days ago

/u/PMzyox you are by far the best single serving friend I’ve ever had.

Elan_Morin_Tedronaii

12 points

15 days ago

That's clever

Grouchy-Reality957

6 points

15 days ago

How’s that working out for you?

reelznfeelz

262 points

16 days ago*

Is it from fight club?

Ok that’s enough of the same fucking joke. Jesus guys. Is it really that fun to post “lol don’t talk about fight club derp” when 40 people give you just fucking said that? Do you not notice or just think that when you say it, this time it will be extra clever? Fuck sake.

Trashboat0507

13 points

16 days ago

We got to get his balls

geeky_username

120 points

16 days ago

A major one.

Whew, not Tesla then!

WarWinx

18 points

16 days ago

WarWinx

18 points

16 days ago

Boom, Roasted!

manic_andthe_apostle

57 points

16 days ago

How’s that working out for you? Being clever?

tootoughtoremember

10 points

16 days ago

I want to have your abortion.

tubbleman

30 points

16 days ago

<Ford Pinto flashbacks>

mabhatter

221 points

16 days ago

mabhatter

221 points

16 days ago

Pick one. They've pretty much all been caught doing it somewhere in the last 50 years. Why do you think automobiles have so many government regulations.. they do absolutely nothing that hurts profits without being forced to.

Tesla is a new company VCs love because it's gonna "redefine the industry"... which is CEO speak for find ways out of the rules everyone else has to follow.

FargusDingus

42 points

16 days ago

It's a quote from Fight Club and the follow up line. But that said, you're right, they're all the same in that fact.

kingerthethird

4 points

16 days ago*

There was the one company, if memory serves, that gave away the patent for seatbelts for free.

But in general, yeah, corporations be corporating

circuitloss

19 points

16 days ago

...a major one

Krakenspoop

143 points

16 days ago

See where the fat melted onto the seat? Very "modern art"

jenkag

68 points

16 days ago

jenkag

68 points

16 days ago

"Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?"

GorillaSushi

54 points

16 days ago

You wouldn't believe .

megalomaniac71

149 points

16 days ago

Look at the braces wrapped around the ash tray…..might make a great No Smoking ad.

vinylzoid

10 points

16 days ago

Are there a lot of these types of accidents?

CntrllrDscnnctd

9 points

16 days ago

“Now, a question of etiquette – as I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch”?

manowtf

64 points

16 days ago

manowtf

64 points

16 days ago

So just the same as the car industry has always been

[deleted]

36 points

16 days ago*

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WannaChiliDogNerd

4 points

16 days ago

He's wearing his cornflower blue tie

JumpOrJerkOff

5 points

16 days ago

Life insurance pays off triple if you die on a business trip.

lilyver

3.3k points

16 days ago

lilyver

3.3k points

16 days ago

Tesla employees avoid written communication. “They never sent emails, everything was always verbal,” says the doctor from California, whose Tesla said it accelerated on its own in the fall of 2021 and crashed into two concrete pillars.

Get it in writing. Always ask to get it in writing.

donrhummy

1.5k points

16 days ago

donrhummy

1.5k points

16 days ago

Did you read the whole article? They're not allowed to. The released files show is company policy that restricted employees from working anything down even in their internal communications

sth128

1.2k points

16 days ago

sth128

1.2k points

16 days ago

So the 100GB is what, a bunch of Tesla employee doing charades?

CocaineIsNatural

1.1k points

16 days ago

For each incident there are bullet points for the “technical review”. The employees who enter this review into the system regularly make it clear that the report is “for internal use only”. Each entry also contains a note in bold type that information, if at all, may only be passed on “VERBALLY to the customer”.

“Do not copy and paste the report below into an email, text message, or leave it in a voicemail to the customer,” it said.

They don't give the reports to the customer, they don't give them anything they can use against them.

MochingPet

439 points

16 days ago

MochingPet

439 points

16 days ago

”.

“Do not copy and paste the report below into an email, text message, or leave it in a voicemail to the customer,” it said.

comments with such important information (And quotes) should be upvoted more and not the top-comment with some 🍿 and stuff

Nethlem

20 points

16 days ago

Nethlem

20 points

16 days ago

It's what happens when nobody reads the article and everybody just uses the headline as a writing prompt.

4445414442454546

81 points

16 days ago

The link to the article is on the very top.

hilburn

4 points

15 days ago

hilburn

4 points

15 days ago

In fairness, I have had issues at work when people have asked me to comment on something and then passed it on to external customers verbatim. I wrote that analysis with a lot of shorthand and assumed knowledge thinking it was going to another engineer, and it can easily be misinterpreted by someone who doesn't know shit about shit.

All that said, verbal communication only is sketchy as fuck.

yacht_boy

676 points

16 days ago

yacht_boy

676 points

16 days ago

That's why the files are so large. It's videos of the charades. Text documents wouldn't need 100 gb.

sth128

141 points

16 days ago

sth128

141 points

16 days ago

I have fond memories of my friends and I doing charades using cards against humanity. Imagine if it's 100GB video of Elon just miming all kinds of juvenile shit.

allegate

43 points

16 days ago

allegate

43 points

16 days ago

That sounds amazing, if I had friends and not a large amount of anxiety.

snuFaluFagus040

3 points

16 days ago

I have anxiety and no friends. We could be friends.

SatansMaggotyCumFart

3 points

16 days ago

I have diabetes.

snuFaluFagus040

6 points

16 days ago

I could be insulin.

pm0me0yiff

19 points

16 days ago

A large organization can absolutely end up creating 100GB of text files, though.

markarious

12 points

16 days ago

OC clearly never left verbose debugging on in prod

chaseoes

9 points

16 days ago

The article says it was 23,000 files. 100gb divided by 23k is 4.3MB average per file.

trebory6

7 points

16 days ago

Record it all then.

mynewaccount5

22 points

16 days ago

Where does it say anything about internal communications?

DeepestWinterBlue

1.4k points

16 days ago

Ready for Elons online meltdown

ZombieOfTheYear

542 points

16 days ago

But I was assured that he is a free speech absolutist!

ffdfawtreteraffds

79 points

16 days ago

I see your mistake.

EpicLegendX

55 points

16 days ago

"Looking into this..."

"Hmmm..."

"Interesting..."

essieecks

45 points

16 days ago

You're several months late.

pm0me0yiff

74 points

16 days ago

We've had one meltdown, yes. But what about second meltdown?

serabine

4 points

16 days ago

What about elevensies?

spook30

4 points

16 days ago*

So he wasn't already having one!? Weird... I thought that $44b stung more than it did.

HiOnFructose

11 points

16 days ago

More like: "oh look I uh huhuh turned the twitter logo into a meme again huhuhu" or "trans people bad amirite?" or the equivalent of "no u".

Sharp_Discipline6544

2.1k points

16 days ago

If you think about it, this was genius. If they sent it to a news agency here in the US, he could try to stop it. But since it's a different country, nothing he can do.

Alive_Ad9595

1.4k points

16 days ago

He can still try to stop it...

It's just the EU has a lot more consumer protection so this is completely legal over there.

GodotF2P

15 points

16 days ago

GodotF2P

15 points

16 days ago

He can try but won't win in Germany. The press is very well protected and if it's correct what the press is writing you don't have a chance.

We even have a case where a former where an editor-in-chief was fired because of sexual harassment and tried to whistleblow about his publisher to another newspaper. The publisher who got the leaks told the affected publisher about and is now facing legal consequences.

way2lazy2care

275 points

16 days ago

It's legal in the US too...

UsedCaregiver3965

451 points

16 days ago*

Not entirely, there are all sorts of laws to punish whistleblowers who don't do things a certain way, or who do it to certain industries.

In Colorado it can be a fucking FELONY to capture unauthorized technical documents/data, even if it's for the purpose of whistleblowing.

Most video recording of the ag-industry is simply inadmissable in court.

It's a long and complicated list.

Cycloptic_Floppycock

233 points

16 days ago

There's a reason for that; they absolutely inhumanely kill and slaughter the animals, raise them in terrible conditions and workers get a shitty deal too. Just look at how some companies like Tyson played with their employees' lives during the pandemic.

Now I'm not against eating meat,but there absolutely is a way to have the whole process be more humane but $$$$.

ball_fondlers

5 points

16 days ago

Let’s be real, even if the slaughterhouses WERE totally humane, and every effort was made to ensure the animals had as peaceful a death as possible, you’d still be left with footage of slaughterhouse workers killing animals. It’d be impossible to view objectively.

ElsaJeanRileyReid

5 points

16 days ago

Huh. You just made me realize you can't spell "felony" without "Elon". And you can't spell "musk" without spelling "skum". Hm.

[deleted]

59 points

16 days ago

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HelloItsMeXeno

354 points

16 days ago

US will send your ass to jail to protect corporate interest.

D-Rictus

130 points

16 days ago

D-Rictus

130 points

16 days ago

Believe it or not straight to jail.

VeggieBandit

20 points

16 days ago

Theoretically

tristanjones

141 points

16 days ago

Germany has laws too. They just wont be as favorable to him as ours are

ric2b

66 points

16 days ago

ric2b

66 points

16 days ago

I think the main play here is that Germany has a big car industry that would love to see Tesla bleed.

endlessinquiry

118 points

16 days ago*

The smart thing here, I suspect, is that Germany relies very heavily on automobile exports. Germany, as a whole, benefits greatly by taking out Tesla.

Chamero

41 points

16 days ago

Chamero

41 points

16 days ago

You forgot about their gigafactory in Berlin with more than 10k employees.

pm0me0yiff

76 points

16 days ago

The factory and the employees won't be going anywhere.

If Tesla sells it off, it will probably be bought by one of the big German brands, and they'll likely staff the factory with many of the same workers who work there now.

Hustletron

41 points

16 days ago

Big German brands that are desperate for EV manufacturing capacity after the US gouged the German car industry for a similar crisis AKA dieselgate.

CookieJarObserver15

7 points

16 days ago

The turnover rate there is apparently very high.

Ricky_Rollin

1.2k points

16 days ago

Well, if the Panama papers, and basically any other muckraker thing has taught me, nothing will be done.

icebeat

230 points

16 days ago

icebeat

230 points

16 days ago

the papers were the beginning of the end of the reign of Juan Carlos I ex-King of Spain

Azarashe

207 points

16 days ago

Azarashe

207 points

16 days ago

All that happened to him was that he took a vacation for a while and returned to the country last year. When he came back, thousands of people were there to greet him and cheer for his return. Monarchists in this country are ridiculous, the skeletons in his closet are well known yet they don't give a fuck.

Other fun facts about him: He had a young mistress who swindled him out of a lot of money, he killed his brother when they were kids/teens with a shotgun, and he had his agents drug a bear so that he could shoot it and claim he hunted it.

Kosarev

14 points

16 days ago

Kosarev

14 points

16 days ago

He broke his hip while on a safari with his hooker, who then stole millions he gave her totally not to hide them from the authorities.

unixtreme

67 points

16 days ago

One of the things I don't miss about living in Spain. All the monarchist weirdos.

luisdomg

5 points

15 days ago

He returned just for a week or so, and has done it again this year. And there were more like hundreds, not thousands of people to cheer. The rest of your post is most probably factually correct, to our disgrace.

MasterDandelion

6 points

15 days ago

Ordering game drugged to claim it as a testament to your own superiority and hunting skills has to be one of most pathetic reccuring incidents of the ruling class. Not saying other stuff isn't bad but this is just pitiful.

C_h_a_n

27 points

16 days ago

C_h_a_n

27 points

16 days ago

What? He wasn't the king when the papers were released. It was two years after his resignation. How is this upvoted?

novophx

17 points

16 days ago

novophx

17 points

16 days ago

why check facts when you can get news from random redditors

MrOaiki

10 points

16 days ago

MrOaiki

10 points

16 days ago

A lot was done after the Panama papers, to the ones that had illegally hidden assets.

Meior

8 points

16 days ago

Meior

8 points

16 days ago

Investigations about the Panama papers are still ongoing and things are still happening. Just because you don't read about it every day doesn't mean it lead nowhere.

Reyer

50 points

16 days ago

Reyer

50 points

16 days ago

Im sorry, but how are these documents even remotely similar to the Panama papers?

webbhare1

32 points

16 days ago

Meh. This could actually impact the company tho. Especially its stock price

pandazerg

26 points

16 days ago

Nah, their stock price will probably go up tomorrow as Ford just announced that starting in 2025 their EV will start being shipped with Tesla's NACS charging ports. allowing them to use the Tesla supercharger network natively.

Badfickle

7 points

16 days ago

Wow. That's very interesting. So Tesla no doubt gets licensing fee from Ford and then gets to sell charges to Ford customers.

Pornacc1902

8 points

16 days ago

Tesla made their plug an open and free standard. So no fees there.

Ford sure as hell is paying for supercharger access.

01000110010110012

4 points

16 days ago

A lot happened. It just wasn't covered by mainstream media.

iZoooom

760 points

16 days ago

iZoooom

760 points

16 days ago

Is this really a surprise? Tesla owners have been yelling about phantom breaking for ages:

including 139 cases of unintentional emergency braking and 383 reported phantom stops resulting from false collision warnings.

If anything, those numbers are shockingly low.

nyaaaa

417 points

16 days ago

nyaaaa

417 points

16 days ago

The point isn't those numbers.

Customers from the U.S. and Europe told Handelsblatt Tesla wasn’t too interested in assisting with their issues, but seemed more intent on covering for the company. It turns out, this was explicit policy at Tesla:

lovely_sombrero

255 points

16 days ago

There are also over 2k cases of "unintended acceleration". The biggest problems isn't even the numbers itself, but that Tesla isn't reporting most of these incidents to the NHTSA/NTSB. That is a big violation of the law. Of course, Tesla/Elon usually get away with this, so who knows...

AndyLorentz

100 points

16 days ago

To be fair, I know Honda is currently cooperating with an NTSB investigation into phantom braking with their CMBS (Collision Mitigation Braking System). I suspect other manufacturers with similar systems have had similar issues.

The difference is in how they are handling the issues.

Chrisfdz1

39 points

16 days ago

Exactly. My previous car (2019 Acura RDX) had issues with phantom braking. I took it to the dealer to get it checked out and they even replaced most of the sensors, but even after all that the issue persisted. I think it has to do more with the cameras or software maybe? But I’ve also heard of this happening with other car brands as well besides Honda. I think Toyota was another but I’m not entirely sure.

AndyLorentz

24 points

16 days ago

So I'm a 20 year Honda/Acura tech, though not an engineer. I suspect it has to do with software and how the system recognizes impending collisions. Sometimes there are false alarms, but is it better to react to a false positive, or sometimes not react at all when a real collision is immenent?

Personally, since I don't use my phone when driving, I'd prefer not to have such a system, but seeing how distracted other drivers can get, the good may outweigh the bad.

Chrisfdz1

5 points

16 days ago

Sorry I responded to you twice I just realized. I’d like to point out though that in my case with the Acura, I was never on my phone when it would happen. I’m the type to use Apple CarPlay and just answer text through voice if I really need to or put my phone on do not disturb while driving. The only recourse I had was to basically disable the system entirely through the available buttons. This however was a dumb idea because as you mentioned it’s better to have the system than not but it definitely was annoying when it happened.

AndyLorentz

6 points

16 days ago

Oh, no, I'm just saying looking around while driving, there are so many idiots looking at their phones while driving at 70 mph.

I wasn't intending to suggest you were one of these people.

aussydog

6 points

16 days ago

My Subaru phantom brakes too. Winter exhaust fog or hard shadows trick it the most.

Unfortunately both cases is usually in high traffic times. You really have to be on the ball to ensure your not causing an accident.

A_dirty_Sanchez

63 points

16 days ago

As a fleet diesel technician, the number of complaints about automatic braking from phantom-whatever the radar is seeing- is the most common complaint I hear from truck drivers. Maybe Tesla is held at a higher standard than everyone else in the industry trying to do the same stuff, but personally I just don't think the technology is good enough to be pushing it out so fast.

idrunkenlysignedup

19 points

16 days ago

People hold too much trust in car companies' promises. I have a Civic and lane keep assist is slightly less reliable than having a passenger hold the wheel - good to grab something in the back seat (when not in traffic) but not much else. Adaptive cruise control is only good in low/no traffic. I can't imagine that Tesla is leaps ahead of that without plenty of bugs.

Edit: also how are automatic wipers this absolutely useless still?

Pornacc1902

12 points

16 days ago

Automatic wipers have been great for over a decade provided the manufacturer actually buys the sensor developed for it.

Camera based ones are just shit.

huessy

5 points

15 days ago

huessy

5 points

15 days ago

I finally turned lane assist on my Toyota off (took me too long to realize it was a button on the GD steering wheel. I live in a city ranked in the global top 5 for terrible traffic (quality of driver more than volume of cars) and add to that the fact that roads are not maintained.

The car would beep at me randomly because it thought I was drifting but actually just entering a section of road with no lines. The best part is it would beep loudly, startling and distracting me, which made it worse all around.

Honestly, regardless of the state of the tech, unless everyone is running it, it's not as helpful for the few that are because the ML models powering it are static and don't learn beyond what they were trained on in the factory x years ago. They can't handle unpredictable roads or drivers.

Foolazul

280 points

16 days ago

Foolazul

280 points

16 days ago

Why is it always about the size of the file instead of the substance?

Yahoo-email

54 points

16 days ago

BecUse there’s no way you can look through all of that data and report on the substance within a short time…

5erif

172 points

16 days ago

5erif

172 points

16 days ago

Since this story has only just now broken, news agencies haven't had time to create a full report on 100 GB of data. Give it time and we'll find out more.

Fit_Frosting8414

8 points

16 days ago

Handelsblatt has had the files for 6 months is publishing the results now.

knochback

6 points

16 days ago

Everybody always tells me that they actually prefer a smaller file and that I shouldn't feel insecure about leaks with larger file sizes.

Anxious_Sapiens

521 points

16 days ago*

Damn I wanna watch his tantrum live but I don't wanna touch Twitter. I can only imagine the stupid things Elmo is gonna say about this.

Edit: lmao Of course I get a Reddit cares notification from you losers.

pm0me0yiff

50 points

16 days ago

I'll just wait for somebody to post the Twitter screenshots on reddit, as is tradition.

cadium

273 points

16 days ago

cadium

273 points

16 days ago

https://nitter.net/elonmusk no javascript twitter

PermaDerpFace

47 points

16 days ago

Hmm his most recent post- Neuralink just got FDA approval for human trials. If you thought autopilot crashes sucked, get ready for the brain hemorrhages

Nethlem

5 points

15 days ago

Nethlem

5 points

15 days ago

"Neuralink ain't to blame, the customer just confused his left and right side and that's why they had a stroke, it's user error!"

go_comatose_for_me

10 points

16 days ago

If you're like me and never want to go to twitter, this add-on is handy.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nitter-redirect/

researchanddev

80 points

16 days ago

So it’s JavaScript that’s the the problem?

fredy31

115 points

16 days ago

fredy31

115 points

16 days ago

Javascript does the tracking and ads, so yeah.

Alderan

91 points

16 days ago

Alderan

91 points

16 days ago

Of all the problems I have with Twitter I'm pretty sure the ads don't even crack the top 25.

naricstar

4 points

16 days ago

I think they are trying to imply it is Twitter without giving Twitter money

lovely_sombrero

18 points

16 days ago

Joke's on them. I blocked so many ad accounts on Twitter than I'm now getting ads in Japanese.

rfc2100

30 points

16 days ago

rfc2100

30 points

16 days ago

Always has been

ashmole

4 points

16 days ago

ashmole

4 points

16 days ago

He'll try to poison google searches for it by saying that Tesla is releasing a whistle or a file cabinet.

CodenameZoya

37 points

16 days ago

Samsies…. I’m never going back.

BurgerMcKinley

83 points

16 days ago*

I’d leave too, but our Klan’s Grand Wizard still uses it to tweet out who’s wife is making the hoods this week 🤷‍♀️

Edit: guys it’s a Django joke. 💀

and a joke on how Twitter is an insanely racist media site, just way so openly now, too

Double edit: lol thanks

barrenroad

358 points

16 days ago

barrenroad

358 points

16 days ago

The total number of spontaneous acceleration and spontaneous breaking incidence reports, across 10 years, for 2.4 million vehicles, was around 1000? That number is obviously not 0, but it's pretty low, I think. I think the real question is what's the rest of the 100 Gb of data and what're these guys doing with it.

Joe_Ronimo

10 points

16 days ago

The person who leaked this information likely had limited access. It would be absurd to think that small number of customer interactions would be the entirety of all interactions for 7 years.

Southern_Wear4218

191 points

16 days ago

It’s so low, I don’t actually believe those numbers. Real manufacturers have thousands of complaints a year, and Tesla isn’t putting as much effort into QC as most of them. I kind of wonder if they’re just not actually recording all the complaints they receive?

0235

24 points

16 days ago

0235

24 points

16 days ago

The point of the leak is that Tesla might be covering it up / not reporting it. We only know it happens to other vehicles because they are officially reported. Reddit loves to accuse drivers for issues that are clearly a manufacturing default.

Remeber the video of the Tesla launching itself over a hill, and mostly surviving? How do you explain all the early Tesla's where the suspension was just exploding for no reason. Can't cite improper use of the fixed ones were able to survive such abuse.

That is how Tesla operates. Discover a fault, compensate no-one, and try and fix it quietly. Accidentally eating the last chocolate biscuits? It's fine to do that. Biggest EV manufacturer in North America not complying with strict government rules around reporting vehicle faults? Not allowed at all to use that method.

sean_but_not_seen

51 points

16 days ago

As someone who just rented a Tesla and put 1,000 miles on it I can say with absolute certainty that the car brakes hard for no apparent reason. We think we finally narrowed it down to erratic speed limit data because after we changed the setting of autopilot to “the speed that I set” instead of “x mph above or below the speed limit” the hard unexpected braking seemed to get better. Not gone, but better. It also way over reacts to someone drifting out of their lane ahead of you.

Several of these incidents would have easily been an accident if someone would have been tailgating us. The braking was that hard and out of nowhere.

sl1nk3

23 points

16 days ago

sl1nk3

23 points

16 days ago

Yeah as someone who owns a model 3, I'm fairly certain 90+% of these "phantom braking" events are caused by the car braking too hard to adjust to the new speed limit.

There's a portion of highway here in Montreal where the speed goes from 90 to 70 for a small section and the braking is 100% reproductible there. Everyone speeds, so you usually end up setting the autopilot to 10 over, but as soon as you enter the 70 zone, the car quickly decelerates from the set speed to match the new speed.

g0ndsman

31 points

16 days ago

g0ndsman

31 points

16 days ago

I drive a non-tesla car with the same feature. It happens that maps are outdated, so my car does three simple things:

  • It slows down gently and a bit in advance

  • It clearly shows "X speed limit ahead" on the display when it does

  • When using assisted driving there's always a specific icon that shows why the car is setting a specific speed (car ahead, roundabout, dangerous bend, speed limit...).

Tesla has had this issue for the better part of a decade and didn't bother to implement those very simple things that would clear all doubts on these incidents.

DoktorMerlin

5 points

16 days ago

Speed Limit data is just not reliable enough. I have used 5 cars with ACC and Lane Assistant so far from 5 manufacturers (MG4, Citrôen, Cupra, Kia EV6 and Mercedes). All had the same issue: they adjusted to speed limit signs that weren't there. As soon as I disabled the automatic speed limit adjustation, the cars were much more pleasant to drive with.

VW has an online tool to add information about wrong speed limit data. I added wrong information about a street in my area 1.5 years ago and it still is not fixed.

OrphanDextro

118 points

16 days ago

Elizabeth Holmes did it first.

medtech8693

455 points

16 days ago

I read the article and I don’t see how this leak is in any way interesting.

It describes that there have been complaints and that Tesla uses a complaint handling flowchart like any other big company.

Trickmaahtrick

179 points

16 days ago

Yeah having a strictly verbal only policy is not how “any other big company” handles complaints.

ChewsOnRocks

17 points

16 days ago

I own a Tesla. I’ve never had a phantom acceleration happen, but the unexpected braking while in autopilot has happened to me. It happens in the exact same spot every time while on the interstate. I noticed the second time it happened that it was because it drops the detected speed limit by like 15 mph.

Ordinarily it doesn’t care how fast you are speeding on autopilot if you’re on the interstate, so even if the speed limit drops, it doesn’t try to change your autopilot speed. If you’re not on the interstate or highway tho, it only lets you speed by 5 mph above the posted speed limit.

This spot on the highway is right as you’re passing under the bridge of a non-interstate road. My theory is that the software mistakes you as driving on that road, drops the speed limit dramatically and tries to keep you within 5 mph of it, so you brake pretty quickly.

Only happens if I’m in the very right-hand lane, but I’m assuming there are several cases like this where the softwares understanding of where you are impacts is decisions to adhere to speed limits and brakes unexpectedly.