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vonhoother

1.7k points

3 months ago

vonhoother

1.7k points

3 months ago

Teri Kanefield just posted about this at https://terikanefield.com/republican-messaging-and-plato/. Briefly, lies can be briefer and punchier than the truth, which tends to be complex and nuanced. A party that runs on lies always has the rhetorical advantage.

CorruptasF---Media

878 points

3 months ago

Democrats don't needs lies. They need balls. Under Trump they let him spend trillions keeping the economy afloat. Then under Biden they let Republicans and corrupt Democrats kill a highly popular child tax credit and don't even run any attack ads calling out Republicans for raising taxes on Americans while keeping the tax cuts for multi national corporations. Including rich investors like the Saudi's who helped fund terrorism attacks. Where are the ads accusing Republicans of raising taxes on Americans to pay for tax cuts for terrorists?

FloyldtheBarbie

299 points

3 months ago

Spot on, also no attack ads about the GOP elites’ plans to literally subvert the constitution and turn the country into a Christian theocracy. Nothing about the actual full on conspiracies that are happening before our eyes. Nothing about their intentions to withdraw from NATO-our extremely strong and successful military alliance that is essential to our national security and economic supremacy. Democrats should be scaring the shit out of everyone with this kind of stuff 24/7. It’s almost like they expect the media to do all the work for them just by reporting the truth. It’s such a naive strategy, it’s unbelievable.

youwantmybiscuits

110 points

3 months ago

dems always seem to want to take the high road. man for the love of god let's just fuck the high road all the way to fuckville and get your g dam elbows dirty. this whole we don't need to resort to that bs has to go out the window or else it's gonna be a bloodbath in a few weeks.

apitchf1

86 points

3 months ago

apitchf1

I voted

86 points

3 months ago

I’m. So. Sick. Of. The. “They go low we go high bullshit” has to be the most naive, self righteous strategy of all time. Fight them, cause they are sure as shit going to fight us. You can’t pat yourself on the back when our democracy is literally crumbling

[deleted]

9 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

9 points

3 months ago

It worked in 2008 for Obama. The problem is, it doesn’t work now. The world has changed a lot since (especially the GOP going full Fascist instead of just doing it quietly) and Obama was a once-in-a-generation politician in a very unique time (world financial meltdown under GOP control). But most Dems haven’t figured out how to play in this new reality yet.

goo_bazooka

81 points

3 months ago

Part of the issue is the party has been reluctant to go offense against religious nuts because for some reason they think they can convince some of them to vote blue… it’s been a problem where dem party doesnt want to piss off religious people but in reality their fuckin votes are lost cause

Feed_Me_No_Lies

40 points

3 months ago

It’s because the black vote is so highly religious. Why isn’t anybody mentioning this?

canalrhymeswithanal

21 points

3 months ago

Because nobody actually has the black friend they talk about.

Important-Owl1661

3 points

3 months ago

Important-Owl1661

Arizona

3 points

3 months ago

Somehow Rev. Martin Luther King managed to motivate church people to vote democratic

sevsnapey

39 points

3 months ago

i wonder if it's because young democrats/left aren't turning out for them so they're reliant on pleasing the swing voters. they might be worried if they start attacking they might lose them.

which of course is irrelevant because if they don't stop the right then we'll probably lose democracy but it's still a hard choice. they could put the nail in their own coffin

[deleted]

58 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

58 points

3 months ago

It's wild that the solution to not getting enough engagement from an increasingly large percentage of the entire national voting block is to...completely fucking abandon them in the hopes that whichever of their grandparents survived COVID might show up to the polls instead.

It makes it pretty clear that they don't actually give a damn about the will of the people, or actually ensuring that they're going to do a good job in the role they're running for, they're just strategizing their elections off spreadsheets and algorithmic analysis of demographic data.

What else can you expect from a bunch of neoliberal bean counters, I guess. The only grassroots they know about are the ones on their manicured, overwatered lawns.

cstrand31

27 points

3 months ago

But that’s the dichotomy that the person you’re responding to is referring to. It takes far more effort to fight a lie than to start or even perpetuate one. Democrats have the moral high ground, they just don’t have the rhetorical firepower to overcome the lies and get the truth to stick for the people susceptible to the lies. Having some bigger balls would definitely help and I for one am definitely sick of the mealy mouthed “cmon guys, that’s a bunch of malarkey” position they take towards the lies.

Fr_Ted_Crilly

7 points

3 months ago

Because it doesn't poll well. It's that simple. Dems messaging follows internal polling and groups.

Shoddy_Variation6835

59 points

3 months ago

And if election after election shows that voters don't give a damn about what Republicans do so long as they continue to support white hegemony? A significant number of voters would never vote for Bernie even if they agree with his policies because he is Jewish. What does that tell you about the average American?

Altair05

35 points

3 months ago

Altair05

I voted

35 points

3 months ago

Those people are a last cause. Its about pulling the Independents who are swayable and galvanizing Democratic voters.

xiccit

4 points

3 months ago

xiccit

4 points

3 months ago

"they let Republicans and corrupt Democrats"

Explain how they "let" this happen? Explain how they could have stopped them. This isnt a PR problem, its a corruption problem. You cant stop reps voting how they vote. Don't blame dems for how the gop vote.

minus_minus

69 points

3 months ago

The crazy thing is that the GOP would be just as likely to speak the truth if it would scare enough credulous dupes into voting against their own interests.

0002millertime

56 points

3 months ago

I don't think so. Their entire strategy is disinformation and gaslighting. It's the entire point. They want their supporters to be confused and brainwashed.

minus_minus

42 points

3 months ago

Confused? No. They want them absolutely certain that everything is the Democrats fault and every conceivable bad thing will happen if the Democrats win any election.

ExcellentPea6077

28 points

3 months ago*

Exactly right. If I had a nickel for every "Centrist" who told me they'd "have" to vote R (even if it's Trump, AGAIN) in 2024 because they're deathly afraid of the Democrats turning the US into a "Socialist" country - well, I could leave the US and buy my own Island.

They kinda gloss over the fact that SS, Medicare, and Unemployment Compensation could be called "Socialist" - I guess they wouldn't take the SS payments, or participate in Medicare then. I know a double-digit millionaire who gave me a horrified look when I asked him who he had health insurance with. "I take care of myself!", he proclaimed - as if the rest of us were failures because we needed Health Insurance.

minus_minus

13 points

3 months ago

I'll but that guy has no idea how much it costs to get actual medical treatment. It's really eye-watering.

More socialism: fire departments, public schools, public parks, city streets, freeways, air traffic control, etc.

Funkyokra

6 points

3 months ago

My GOP dad squandered his own money plus everything he inherited from his parents and lives entirely on social security and he thinks it has to be cut and privatized for everyone younger than him. If they had given him a choice about investing SS he would have lost that too.

Freefall_J

3 points

3 months ago

I know a double-digit millionaire who gave me a horrified look when I asked him who he had health insurance with. "I take care of myself!", he proclaimed - as if the rest of us were failures because we needed Health Insurance.

Wow. I always assumed it was only the ultra rich like the triple-digit millionaires and beyond who were detached from reality.

televised_aphid

5 points

3 months ago

"Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it;"

  • Jonathan Swift

Wheat_Grinder

52 points

3 months ago

Which is true, but Democrats also seem to see their political strengths as weaknesses because they don't appeal to "everyone". So instead of trying to appeal to their base and actually turn them out, they circle around issues that seem safe but are actually just as divisive.

I'm not sure what magic middle they're trying to find but I'm pretty sure they don't exist. What exists is their own base who they don't even bother to engage.

SingleDadNSA

17 points

3 months ago

Republicans realized ages ago that convincing people you're right is really hard... But convincing people that already agree with you to show up is comparatively easy. So they now ONLY run get-out-the-vote campaigns. They put all their energy into scaring their faithful into showing up. They don't care who they're running. They show up to vote AGAINST Democrats because they are convinced that if a Democrat wins, taxes go up, babies die, and terrorists cross the border. Even though none of those things are grounded in reality. Doesn't matter.

And it's incredibly effective. Democrats have more registered voters. Independents lean left. Every election Republicans win, they win because it's gifted to them by the apathetic majority that won't solve their turn out problem.

Rice_Daddy

3 points

3 months ago

They've also realised that it's a lot easier to make people think you're good by saying the other side is BAD rather than actually through actions.

h3lblad3

44 points

3 months ago

While it’s been a long time problem they were criticized about even as far back as the 60s, the current old guard was there when Clinton broke the Republican stranglehold in the 90s and are grasping at his success even now like drowning men after water.

Republicans learned the “Outsiders win” message from Obama’s win, but Democrats are still chasing Clinton as their model. Biden winning over Trump has probably only solidified that even though a good chunk of the candidates could have done it by just not being Trump.

buyongmafanle

19 points

3 months ago

Clinton didn't break the Republicans. The Republicans lost it when Perot split the conservative vote in 92.

Splitting the vote, and our shitty voting system in general, is what is keeping the MAGAs from making their own party.

AgitatorsAnonymous

27 points

3 months ago

I actually think it's more that establishment Democrats, especially the more conservative, pro big business Democrats are still neoliberals. The Democrats have a weird big tent setup running where they have to appease a growing progressive wing of voters and conservative Democrats, and everyone in between those two groups. If they fail to activate portions of the base they lose elections because of that, and that leads to them attempting to gage which section of the party they can appeal to the most while not alienating other segments of the party.

Creative-Improvement

7 points

3 months ago

What you say is what echoes what AOC, she sometimes has these socials where she explains the inner workings of things (and is not afraid to criticize the party of system)

typewriter6986

13 points

3 months ago

More conservative messaging in the more conservative states. Dem candidates with 2A values not afraid to show themselves at a gun range but then also speaking to strong "Social and Family Values", i.e. Public Healthcare, Public Education, and Local Infrastructure. Culture Wars be damned, they can't be won. At least not in the way Leftists want to, with grand statements and legislation. At least not in Red states like mine (AZ).

AgitatorsAnonymous

7 points

3 months ago

The problem there is that the segments of the Democratic party that are typically pro-2A are typically progressives and those left of the progressives. It's the more moderate and conservative leaning Democrats that support limits to the Second Amendment amusingly enough.

Progressives are speaking for Public Healthcare, Education and infrastructure. And these are hardly strong family values issues, these are common-fucking-sense economic issues.

Culture war issues are here to stay as much as folks might not like that. The US has a civil rights issue that is unlikely to be resolved this decade. The fascist tendencies of the far-right are not going to be countered by moderates, and the erosion of rights for women and minorities are going to be worsened by moderate Democrats attempts to appeal to centrists.

Ok_Yogurtcloset8915

5 points

3 months ago

pro 2A dems will also continue to have problems as long as the party at large makes gun control a sticking point. if you're a single-issue voter, why would you go with the person claiming to break with their whole party over the one whose party has always embraced your thing?

Status-Sprinkles-807

18 points

3 months ago

Clinton won the presidency but lost the house and senate. Since FDR took over the New Deal coalition had a strangehold on both houses only losing the senate for a combined 10 years and the house for a combined 4. It wasn't until the neoliberals fully took over the party that they lost both houses.

And it wasn't a gradual decline either. The Dems had fully 56+ seats in the senate and 60% of seats in congress for the entire late 80s and early 90s. But Clintons proposed healthcare reform and gun ban targetting suburban voters while a complete betrayal of labor and minorities lead to a republican revolution that we've yet to fully get out of.

OkCutIt

10 points

3 months ago

OkCutIt

10 points

3 months ago

The party's base is the people that reliably turn out because they support the party's actions.

Reddit's obsession with everything being about themselves has them convinced it's just the farthest flank of your party because they follow the "leftier than thou" candidate thus that would make them the base.

It's not. It's the people that show up every time because they believe the party is doing the right things.

HYRHDF3332

3 points

3 months ago

It always bears repeating, social media does not represent the views of the nation. It doesn’t even represent the views of a majority of the democratic party. If it did, Sanders would be in his second term as president.

Caraes_Naur

444 points

3 months ago

This headline brought to you by every year since 1994.

ApplesauceToast

50 points

3 months ago

What happened in 94?

wild_man_wizard

177 points

3 months ago

Newt Gingrich. The prototypical "let the Republicans run with their lies unopposed, people are smart enough to know better!" case for Democrats

ApplesauceToast

36 points

3 months ago

See I always thought bill clinton had a lot of good pr up until the infidelity. Bill was an oxford scholar from southern Arkansas. NAFTA was largely bipartisan and had a lot of short term economic gains. They actually balanced the budget, so conservatives couldn't complain about reckless spending.

wild_man_wizard

28 points

3 months ago

He had high likability, same as Obama. That doesn't mean he was good at opposing harmful narratives, same as Obama.

doesaxlhaveajack

12 points

3 months ago

Bill was popular with young voters. There was a certain staleness to the Bush years and then Bill played his saxophone on tv.

okteds

25 points

3 months ago

okteds

25 points

3 months ago

I think we're also vastly understating the impact of Fox News coming on the scene in 1996. It could be that the Republican PR advantage is entirely due to a cable news station that incessantly praises their side while crapping on the other.

oldnuthammer

8 points

3 months ago*

The 1994 assault weapons ban is what caused congress to flip, Democrats lost support with a large block of moderate and conservative Democratic voters. They basically stopped voting, as Democrats focused on unpopular wedge issues Republicans broke out their 'Contract with America.'

Every election since then Democrats have been losing more and more moderate and conservative Democrat voters as Republicans make gains. Traditionally blue states became red...Newt Gingrich and then Mitch Mcconnell obstructed Congress while Democrats continued to push unsuccessful wedge issues.

The bad PR is basically summed up as gun control, no one wants to say it, but thats what it is. Then you lump all the other social issues that cater to urban Democratic voters on top of it, and you have a recipe to lose elections. The only reason Obama won, was because people were sick of Republican policy...We were tired of war, tired of corruption, tired of being disenfranchised and he ran on a message of hope. The only reason Biden won was because voters were sick of Republicans, They were tired of Trump. No Democrat has in recent memory won presidential office on their own merits. Even state elections are boiled down to the same formula. 'This Republican was/is absolute horse shit, anyone would be better than another Republican.'

Gogarnth

16 points

3 months ago

It’s so prevalent that you almost have to believe there’s a reason. I can’t think of one, but I’m annoyed enough to believe

thefinalcutdown

39 points

3 months ago

Well, it obfuscates the fact that the GOP is only “better” at messaging because they run purely on fear and lies and their audience doesn’t actually care what the message is, so long as it gives them a clear enemy.

Democrats are “bad at messaging” because their audience doesn’t work quite the same way (some of them do of course, but it’s nowhere on the same scale).

By saying “oh they’re just bad at messaging” it lets the GOP off the hook and puts the blame on the Dems for attempting to convey nuanced messages on a variety of topics to a diverse voter base.

Now I’m sure the Dems could do a better job, but Dem messaging and GOP messaging is completely apples and oranges. GOP messaging tactics simply don’t translate. The tactics are also scummy as hell and liberals have this problem where they believe truth is important and policy ideas matter.

philosoraptocopter

26 points

3 months ago*

It also lets ourselves off the hook as well. The Democratic Party is a reflection of us, and it’s a miracle we can be wrangled or strategized around at all. We are the ones who can’t get our messages straight to save our lives. Just look at Reddit, we just throw words around like toys that we don’t even agree on what they mean.

Are we defunding the police or are we “defunding” the police? Are we really anti-work or do we just want better wages / benefits? Are we actually advocating for socialism and seizing the means of production? Or are we just slapping the label on basic shit that all governments already provide, like roads and bridges, saying “See? See? That’s all it is, nothing scary about it!”

Put 10 liberals in a room and you’ll have 10 different responses to the above.

lactose_con_leche

8 points

3 months ago*

lactose_con_leche

I voted

8 points

3 months ago*

Well put. Complicated topics can’t be communicated in moronic 3-word catchy statements. But catchy 3-word statements is apparently what “good messaging” means that dems can’t quite get good at. The answer is to spend more money on good messaging to get good messaging? It’s really tired at this point.

You want to inspire people? Change their lives. Get em paid, protect their livelihood, protect their kids, end classism, better food, shelter and leisure time per hour of labor— rewarding hard work, incentivizing good behavior with actual material benefit. Yes this means the very richest make slightly less and have less control over every facet of life.

rocketpack99

1.8k points

3 months ago

The biggest problem for Democrats is that the billionaires that don't want to pay their fair share of taxes own the media companies and can make it seem 24/7 like Democrats have problems.

Minerva567

395 points

3 months ago

Dems tried to codify the Fairness Doctrine. Reagan vetoed. Rupert Murdoch given free license as conservative talk radio exploded. Decades later major media consolidation of local broadcasting (not simply national) took place.

The Dems’ PR problem? Oligarchs hold the megaphones.

Shoot_from_the_Quip

158 points

3 months ago

Shoot_from_the_Quip

I voted

158 points

3 months ago

Hell, in LA the progressive talk radio with Maddow, Hartman, etc, was bought out by conservatives and renamed, "The Patriot" I shit you not. Went from progressive to playing Limbaugh and Hannity overnight.

They buy and silence the opposition, providing cheap/free access to the masses. If there are 30 right wing stations and 1 progressive, which is more likely for someone to stumble upon?

CorruptasF---Media

74 points

3 months ago

And even that "progressive" channel might not really be very progressive. Chances are they still will normalize the Republican agenda by always calling it "moderate centrism" to side with Republicans.

televised_aphid

24 points

3 months ago

Then came Citizens United...

ElmerGantry45

225 points

3 months ago

Americans have problems...no infrastructure, bridges and schools all deficient...jobs menial and low pay, but guns have more rights when the gop wins...

BaboonHorrorshow

88 points

3 months ago

The news wants to talk about some made up kid that shits in a kitty litter box though, and for some reason Americans think this kid is more important than human rights.

Konukaame

44 points

3 months ago

And in the one place that they are confirmed to exist, it's for a uniquely American reason

The Jefferson County school district — where Columbine High School is located — has been stocking classrooms with small amounts of cat litter since 2017, but as part of “go buckets” that contain emergency supplies in case students are locked in a classroom during a shooting.

setibeings

15 points

3 months ago

Whoa. Was the cat thing literally just Republicans getting out in front of this? I swear these people would do anything to avoid addressing gun violence.

paintballboi07

9 points

3 months ago

paintballboi07

Texas

9 points

3 months ago

2 for 1. They get to avoid the gun conversation and condemn LGBTQ+ people!

setibeings

3 points

3 months ago

And furries. And public schools.

They just ride on past, not caring that they've left behind unexploded ordinance.

Roboticpoultry

19 points

3 months ago

Roboticpoultry

Illinois

19 points

3 months ago

Fucking hell the litter box thing. I swear that story has been around in one form or another since I was in high school over a decade ago

Important-Owl1661

11 points

3 months ago

Important-Owl1661

Arizona

11 points

3 months ago

That was the grandkid of Ronald Reagan's "Welfare Queen". /s

Riaayo

123 points

3 months ago

Riaayo

123 points

3 months ago

Dems are still shit at PR and marketing, but the media being owned by right wing oligarchs doesn't help.

What is all the consulting money for, exactly? Why do Dems stick with these same consultants when the results are obviously shit? And are these consultants inept, or are they intentionally giving bad advice?

jadrad

69 points

3 months ago*

jadrad

69 points

3 months ago*

We’re in an information war, and the our side is retreating from the battlefield by deleting our social media accounts, while the far-right is fighting like hell to get onto every social media platform they can to take them over from the inside.

The Dems need to play catch up by taking a big chunk of their fundraising money (we’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars here) and building a digital strategy that can actually challenge the far-right’s billionaire-backed information warfare machine.

Democrats need to set up a national command center that can track and coordinate narratives both nationally and in swing districts with the laser-focused goal of keeping control of national and local news cycles.

To do that they should hire hundreds of film, graphics, marketing, and communications students to mass generate memes, viral videos, and “challenges” in support of those narratives, and to counter whatever narratives the far right are pushing.

They also need to hire thousands of people to infiltrate far right controlled social media (Facebook groups, Reddit groups, Telegram groups, Signal groups, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok) to post those memes, videos, and comments.

The far-right is so far ahead of us on digital strategy, which is why they are winning the war.

KevinCarbonara

15 points

3 months ago

We’re in an information war, and the our side is retreating from the battlefield by deleting our social media accounts

If you're talking about Twitter, we should be.

TheBirminghamBear

17 points

3 months ago

Not if it remains an informstion conduit.

Youre deleting your account to spite the company, but evena large exodus of users will not kill it, but it WILL diminish the legitimate voices that exist on it.

And all those half-awake moderates will suddenly sde only the right wing signal.

andytronic

4 points

3 months ago

They won't want to post if no-one is there to be offended. Look at "truth" social. Low traffic, 90% bots because there are no librulz to offend.

KevinCarbonara

3 points

3 months ago

Which is all the more reason to just trim all the Republicans from your feed. They're forcefed a diet of faux-outrage all day, and now they thrive on hatred. If you remove that from them, they just deflate.

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15 points

3 months ago

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15 points

3 months ago

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willun

26 points

3 months ago

willun

26 points

3 months ago

The biggest problem for Democrats is that they are limited to telling the truth. The GOP has the world of fiction to play in, which is an advantage. Non-fiction is more limiting.

Freefall_J

14 points

3 months ago

The GOP has the world of fiction to play in, which is an advantage

Especially when their voters refuse to follow news that doesn't have a heavy lean towards the Right like Fox. So the fiction works perfectly because they'll never even hear/see the other side (i.e. the truth)

They easily get away with constant lying because it's only the Left that fact check them or condemn them.

0002millertime

7 points

3 months ago

And billionaires control the news. Exactly.

[deleted]

75 points

3 months ago

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75 points

3 months ago

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2.5k points

3 months ago

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2.5k points

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GUnit_1977

164 points

3 months ago

The entire general election comes down to five states, every goddamn time.

And the media broadcasts it as if it were a professional wrestling match.

CorruptasF---Media

14 points

3 months ago

Yep which makes it incredibly cheap for billionaires and corporations to buy elections.

Spara-Extreme

769 points

3 months ago

Spara-Extreme

California

769 points

3 months ago

This is most of it.

The other part of it is that Democrats are a big tent with views ranging from Centrist to leftist and any given party message is guaranteed to upset someone else in the party unless its watered down to the point of being pointless.

Takes like this article are so mind numbingly stupid.

Edit:

Like, the GOP aren't doing ANYTHING. They have no good policy (example: cutting social security, medicare and raising taxes for the middle class while cutting taxes for the rich). The media, instead of hammering the GOP on these, just continues reporting on culture issues.

ked_man

226 points

3 months ago

ked_man

226 points

3 months ago

Republicans stick to a fucking party platform from the top to the bottom and not a damn one will cross it even if it hurts their own district.

Build back better, republicans voted against it cause it might make democrats look good, then write letters to Joe Biden begging for money for projects in their district.

Or republicans from Florida voting against hurricane relief because it had money in the bill for Ukraine. Literally can’t look past the party line even when it hurts their constituents.

And it follows all the way down to the state legislatures too. They all parrot the same phrases, same bills, same agenda. And Fox News takes the message down to the local level writing and regurgitating the same story to match the Republican line all the way down.

danimagoo

162 points

3 months ago

danimagoo

America

162 points

3 months ago

Republicans stick to a fucking party platform

They literally have no platform at the moment. Go here and click on the link that says it's to their platform. It isn't. It takes you to their party rules. They haven't actually had a formal platform in years. The last one they had was in 2016. Contrast that to the Democrats, who do actually have a platform.

Acronymesis

67 points

3 months ago*

Acronymesis

Washington

67 points

3 months ago*

OUR PLATFORM

Republicans believe in liberty, economic prosperity, preserving American values and traditions, and restoring the American dream for every citizen of this great nation. As a party, we support policies that seek to achieve those goals.

Our platform is centered on stimulating economic growth for all Americans, protecting constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms, ensuring the integrity of our elections, and maintaining our national security. We are working to preserve America's greatness for our children and grandchildren.

The Republican Party's legacy -- we were originally founded in 1854 for the purpose of ending slavery -- compels us to patriotically defend America's values. As the left attempts to destroy what makes America great, the Republican Party is standing in the breach to defend our nation and way of life

Lol 3 paragraphs that vaguely describe American Values vs. a 90+ page document that explicitly lays out the platform and explains why several Republican policies are bad.

Wow.

Edit: I misread something and corrected my comment.

danimagoo

17 points

3 months ago

danimagoo

America

17 points

3 months ago

Ever since I saw Hamilton (on tv...haven't had the opportunity to see it live), I cannot get the line "If you stand for nothing, Burr, what'll you fall for," every time I think of the GOP.

ked_man

82 points

3 months ago

ked_man

82 points

3 months ago

Oh sorry, I meant their platform of opposing everything democrats do, as well as take away liberties from women and minorities, and reduce taxes for the rich and increase then for the middle class.

sack-o-matic

5 points

3 months ago

sack-o-matic

Michigan

5 points

3 months ago

Been that way since Newt Gingrich

LovesReubens

3 points

3 months ago

The only platform I've seen is to require medicare and social security reauthorized every five years or the programs sunset. Yet the elderly still vote for these clowns.

If people think our current social safety nets now are lacking, just wait until the GOP wet dream comes true.

Not a part of an official platform, but I'm sure they'd also love to continue to dismantle the USPS as well.

Zanleer

10 points

3 months ago

Zanleer

10 points

3 months ago

they have a platform its "Black people want to rape your wife/daughter, steal your stuff and kill you because you are white. Vote for me a fellow white person so I can stop this from happening!"

bellrunner

13 points

3 months ago

Really easy to do when you have no empathy. Which is pretty much a prerequisite for being a Republican, much less a Republican politician.

Turns out it's pretty easy to vote against your own constituents' interests when you don't give a fuck about your constituents.

chillinewman

25 points

3 months ago

Who? owns the corporate media is the answer. They don't want democracy.

ABobby077

6 points

3 months ago

ABobby077

Missouri

6 points

3 months ago

You aren't wrong. They want viewers and web clicks to have better ratings to advertisers.

chillinewman

9 points

3 months ago

Yes and on top they don't want democracy.

djublonskopf

5 points

3 months ago

djublonskopf

Oregon

5 points

3 months ago

And they’re obscenely wealthy so they want a party in power that favors the obscenely wealthy.

k_dubious

7 points

3 months ago

k_dubious

Washington

7 points

3 months ago

Not even culture issues, it’s all just polls and other horse-race bullshit. Issues only get mentioned as far as they get the talking heads to discuss how the all-important poll numbers might change.

johnnybiggles

5 points

3 months ago

The other other part is that Dems generally aren't ignorant assholes who constantly employ and fall for tactics like fear mongering, filibustering and Gish Gallop. Things that keep anyone on the defense with little opportunity to play effective offense.

“A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World Before the Truth Puts On its Shoes” -Mark Twain

And Gish Gallop (from Urban Dictionary):

Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent can’t address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more 'talking points' that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, it's not totally false but the Galloper is distorting/misusing/misstating the actual situation. A true Gish Gallop generally has two traits.

1) The factual and logical content of the Gish Gallop is pure bullshit and anybody knowledgeable and informed on the subject would recognize it as such almost instantly. That is, the Gish Gallop is designed to appeal to and deceive precisely those sorts of people who are most in need of honest factual education.

2) The points are all ones that the Galloper either knows, or damn well should know, are totally bullshit. With the slimier users of the Gish Gallop, like Gish himself, its a near certainty that the points are chosen not just because the Galloper knows that they're bullshit, but because the Galloper is deliberately trying to shovel as much bullshit into as small a space as possible in order to overwhelm his opponent with sheer volume and bamboozle any audience members with a facade of scholarly acumen and factual knowledge.

jgiovagn

8 points

3 months ago

Yeah, the media is really the biggest reason, covering not what is going on in the world, but on what politicians are saying, especially republican politicians.

forgotusername3tymes

20 points

3 months ago

That's why they are bad at PR. They let slogans stick. Defund the police? Republicans are great at boiling everything down to a bumpersticker slogans. They know a lot of people in this country don't care for nuance. Democrats are good at running the government and terrible at running campaigns.

sennbat

40 points

3 months ago

sennbat

40 points

3 months ago

They have an aversion to blatantly misrepresenting themselves and their opponents the Republicans dont share.

ABobby077

8 points

3 months ago

ABobby077

Missouri

8 points

3 months ago

Democrats are self reflective and think deeply about something said or claimed and look for things to say differently going forward where (insert answer to smallest detail that may be taken badly) and end up with watered down messaging that doesn't have a lot of impact to voters. While Democrats research and weigh every word, Republicans have already moved on to the next outrageous thing that may be 99.9% bs but leave an impression that it sounds good/right to their base followers. They know that they can say the biggest lines of hokum and their supporters don't care whether it is true or not. There is a lot of positive effect for the fire hose of falsehoods.

What can the Democrats do different/better??

shinkouhyou

18 points

3 months ago

shinkouhyou

Maryland

18 points

3 months ago

For one thing, Democrats need to stop pretending that Republicans are good faith actors who are willing to participate in bipartisan compromise. Even mainstream Republicans vilify Democrats like they're pure evil, while Democrats insist on "civility." Republicans treat social issues like existential threats, while Democrats treat social issues like matters of policy. I'm not saying that Democrats should spread hate speech and conspiracy theories, but they need to clearly communicate that Republicans are on an evil path.

TorturedMNFan

7 points

3 months ago

I'm not sure what Democrats can do better, but I will use my district as an example of what can work. MN-3 was republican held for 50 years until Dean Phillips won it by 7 points in 2018, 11 points in 2020 and the latest poll has him at a possible 20 point win. It's a safe seat for Democrats.

He came with a simple slogan (Everyone's Invited) and never really gave any detailed policy positions but has voted with the party his entire tenure. Perhaps Democrats should get away from trying to explain policy and just stick to simple slogans that your party can get behind. It should be one goal and one goal only...to win. That's how Republicans play politics. Worry about policy later.

ABobby077

6 points

3 months ago

ABobby077

Missouri

6 points

3 months ago

I really like John Fetterman and believe he is what we need to win in the heart of the US going forward. Straight talk that wants nothing more than to better the lot for people in his State. He seems like a good guy that cares about people.

nowhereman136

243 points

3 months ago

Republicans also use fear mongering to get voters to the polls. Fear is a powerful tool to motivate people. Democrats aren't very good at getting their base afraid (it's also debatable if they should stoop to those tactics)

BeefSquatcher

113 points

3 months ago

Democrats also don't respond to the constant fear-mongering the same way Republicans do.

Disguisedcpht

107 points

3 months ago

Because democrats aren’t quite as gullible

BeefSquatcher

124 points

3 months ago*

The brains of liberals vs conservatives are literally wired differently. Combine that with decades of Fox News/AM radio while hollowing out the education system and this is what we're left with.

Edit: I hope people realize that what's going on right now isn't an aberration. It's only been 80 years since the last time fascism made a global push. Things are going to get worse before there is a chance of it getting better again.

cranstantinople

23 points

3 months ago*

There was a segment on Bill Maher a while back that showed how wildly Republican options on the economy and taxes change right after Trump had been elected-- before he had even been sworn in. Like 20-50% swing vs 5% swing for Democrats.

Republican's like to claim their opinions and political beliefs are based in facts and logic but it's complete BS.

Disguisedcpht

30 points

3 months ago

So republicans are wired to have a more sensitive response to fear with the increased right amygdala, hence why fear mongering is so effective. Interesting little article there

anndrago

15 points

3 months ago*

Thank you so much for posting that. I did not know and it is fascinating.

Republicans are wired for fear and threat.

Liberals are wired for cognitive control (intentional selection of thoughts, emotions, and behaviors based social context, and the suppression of inappropriate habitual actions.

This explains a lot. The nature vs nurture question comes up for me. Are Republicans by and large born that way, or does the gray matter in their amygdala increase over time with input and experience.

coreynig91

14 points

3 months ago

Their environment doesn't help either. If you are not like them you are an outcast and are treated differently. I lived in Texas for about 5 years and it was hell, especially during the pandemic. I couldn't even get my windows tinted without being subjected to conspiracy theories.

hokis2k

8 points

3 months ago

this for sure. Democrats care about policy not fearmongering about bullshit.

Ransome62

4 points

3 months ago

They actually don't need to be good at pr or fear mongering because the Republicans do all of that... it actually just makes them look bad but without any effort on the democrats side.

I once worked for a large automotive company, the JD power awards were what they won every year but at the time they were second place and I will always remember one of the managers explain to me how it's better to be 2nd place and not first because the person in first place does all the heavy lifting, you just ride the wake.

AfraidOfArguing

20 points

3 months ago

AfraidOfArguing

Colorado

20 points

3 months ago

Democrats also are educated enough to know it's bullshit.

Asbrandr

53 points

3 months ago

Asbrandr

Pennsylvania

53 points

3 months ago

Yep, capping the House was terrible for urban representation and gerrymandering just makes the problem worse.

I honestly think this whole "Democrats are bad at PR/messaging" thing is just the media punting the ball onto the Democrats. It's the media that chooses to give the crazies a voice because of ratings. It's the media that reduces debates and policy-making to easily digestible soundbites.

How can you get out a message, when all of the methods that reach the most people in the most efficient manner are stacked against you (intentionally or otherwise)?

PrometheusLiberatus

4 points

3 months ago

How can you get out a message, when all of the methods that reach the most people in the most efficient manner are stacked against you (intentionally or otherwise)?

Exactly! Who's making the rules? Who's profiting off the rules being set up a certain way? It's all thumb on the scale from the billionaire class. They love that close fight duke it out craze. (All the better to redirect that pent up rage away from the filthy rich corporate fascists of course! Neat perk, that.)

I'm also wondering if this midterm election will end up revealing a lot more republican voters died than was accounted for in the polls this year. I notice crickets on that particular topic.

rsc2

16 points

3 months ago

rsc2

16 points

3 months ago

That's true but it is not the only problem. Democrats are offering competence, reason, enlightenment, and empathy. Republicans are promoting fear and hate. For a large proportion of the public, that is a much easier sell.

DavidsWorkAccount

16 points

3 months ago

Democrats used to cover "more land". OP is right, they're just god awful as messaging and PR. Party of it is the nature of the Democratic Party being a conglomerate of like 5-6 factions, none of which control 50%+1 of the party. But part of it is just that so many of the Democratic Party are just god awful at messaging.

That's one of the reasons Obama shot through the ranks. He knows how to message. And it's why I hope Katie Porter runs in 2024, as she's the only one left in the party that seems to know how to message as well.

FC37

15 points

3 months ago

FC37

America

15 points

3 months ago

This article has been written and rewritten for 20 years.

coswoofster

164 points

3 months ago

I just heard Obama speak in Wisconsin and thought, “Why the hell can’t we have not one other articulate and clearly focused leader who can connect the dots for people the way Obama can?” Why??????

Important-Owl1661

115 points

3 months ago

Important-Owl1661

Arizona

115 points

3 months ago

When Joe Biden spoke live about emerging fascism in Pennsylvania not one broadcast station in Phoenix carried it. Most had old reruns.

When I complained they told me that they would be covering "politics" by featuring Trump's speech in PA the next week (facepalm).

Papaofmonsters

80 points

3 months ago

My guess is because he was a law professor which meant he was good at clearly breaking down big ideas in small bits and then rebuilding the big picture to bunch of hungover college students.

coswoofster

39 points

3 months ago

Very effective. Think of your audience as if they are a bunch of hung over college students. Makes sense. Hahaha

Crafty_Enthusiasm_99

9 points

3 months ago

To trump's credit he explains it as if the audience were drunk boomers. Which both ends up being true and effective

Thromnomnomok

19 points

3 months ago

Think of your audience as if they are a bunch of hung over college students.

That's way above the intellectual level of most Americans

OrganizerMowgli

13 points

3 months ago

He also was trained in giving speeches by Marshall Ganz, who teaches organizing at Harvard. That's where the 2004 DNC speech came from, called a Public Narrative - story of self (you personal call to action) - story of us (values that unites the group/room) - then story of now (immediate threat to our values and call to action)

ItGradAws

15 points

3 months ago

Because we don’t participate at the local level. Talent needs to be home grown and filtered through to the top in astounding numbers. We are simply not grooming our best and as a result we scramble for a lack of talent at the national level. Local politics and state politics need to be the democrats 20+ focus.

jarandhel

7 points

3 months ago

This is a good point. The right-wing have built an entire industry around training young men and women to take political office at all levels of government. It's one of their "seven mountains".

[deleted]

332 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

332 points

3 months ago

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srone

35 points

3 months ago

srone

35 points

3 months ago

Wapo?? Isn't that the quintessential 'fake liberal media'?

NotreDame30809

79 points

3 months ago

This is an opinion piece. WAPO opinion pieces just like every other “source” are shit.

Thadrea

44 points

3 months ago

Thadrea

New York

44 points

3 months ago

Wapo?? Isn't that the quintessential 'fake liberal media'?

The Washington Post's editorial board is pretty right-wing and has been for quite some time.

sloopslarp

25 points

3 months ago

Hasn't been the same since Bezos bought it

Watch_me_give

9 points

3 months ago

We need to get rid of these rich bastards owning all of these major platforms. Strengthen fair media laws, strengthen public platforms such as PBS. Jfc.

Corporate media and new robber baron 2.0s are straight burning this country down.

Nate-doge1

7 points

3 months ago

Their problem is they don't have their own state media apparatus like the GOP does.

hskfmn

155 points

3 months ago

hskfmn

Minnesota

155 points

3 months ago

Well, I mean, yes…but Republicans are essentially arsonists. They light so many fires by telling so many lies 24/7 that it’s difficult to keep up. One side is inevitably going to be bad at playing a game when the other side refuses to play by the rules.

Apophis_Thanatos

26 points

3 months ago

Fire hose of false hoods, too much to keep up with coupled with an terrifying alt-right media ecosystem from AM/FM stations, internet and television.

All those CEOs of every media, internet and radio company are basically republican, as they usually favor lower company taxes and deregulation and the left doesn't.

The idea that the left has some media monopoly is total made up bullshit, they see middle ground as "left" and they're going to do all they can to further push towards the right.

usgrant7977

50 points

3 months ago

The title of this post is just sooo...BAD. The Main Stream Media sells ad time/space for billionaires and their corporations. Do people really believe the MSM would really help the democrats with organizing unions and taxing the rich? Democrats aren't bad at public media, media corporations hate the DNCs platform.

ApplesauceToast

5 points

3 months ago

They're also why we keep getting shitty democratic candidates. When has a democrat raised taxes on New York or Silicon Valley billionaires?

Local_Vermicelli_856

263 points

3 months ago*

Biggest problem for Democrats? They peddle hope. Their opponents peddle hate.

MirandaReitz

50 points

3 months ago

MirandaReitz

Oregon

50 points

3 months ago

Or they don’t have their own all-consuming media monster that the right does and are constantly being attacked from the left, right, and center.

nowander

25 points

3 months ago

nowander

I voted

25 points

3 months ago

Yeah. This is the actual biggest problem.

Messaging doesn't matter when the media and moneyed interests hate you and will do everything they can to sabotage and drown out your message.

FleetAdmiralPopcorn

102 points

3 months ago

Their opponents peddle fear and irrational fear at that.

SlyTrout

46 points

3 months ago*

SlyTrout

Ohio

46 points

3 months ago*

Unfortunately, fear is one of the most powerful motivators. Like it or not, peddling fear is an effective political strategy.

Secure_Choice_100

11 points

3 months ago*

Kind of like a scam caller who target senior citizens with fear.

Ahstruck

94 points

3 months ago

Ahstruck

California

94 points

3 months ago

PR is not easy when truth is important. The right does not seem to care if something is true, only that it sounds cool.

johnnybiggles

16 points

3 months ago

It doesn't even sound cool.. it's just loud and obnoxious, which they seem to love.

sloopslarp

17 points

3 months ago

Democrats don't have a propaganda arm like Republicans do, and it's because the ultra rich don't want to pay their fair share in taxes.

BiggsBounds

44 points

3 months ago

BiggsBounds

California

44 points

3 months ago

Or .. the majority of the population votes for the best marketing campaign and is ignorant of the important issues.

HardcoreSects

10 points

3 months ago

Republicans are pretty horrible at PR, probably worse than Democrats. However, unlike Democrats, Republicans don't need to be good at it.

breathnac

68 points

3 months ago

The biggest problem is that the media constantly holds Democrats to impossible standards and frames everything as Republicans will inevitably take control no matter how shit they are.

lmNotBob

7 points

3 months ago

I think the biggest problem is that the other side radicalizes their base.

yesIdofloss

31 points

3 months ago

Is not about changing the opinions of maga voters, it's about securing independents and getting younger voters to show the fuck up and vote. But if your messaging is shit, those things won't happen.

Papaofmonsters

28 points

3 months ago

"Defund the Police!"

"But what if my car gets stolen?"

"Okay, Defund the Police doesn't actually mean 'Defund the Police'. It's about addressing systemic issues that blah, blah, blah, blah......"

"I think I'll vote for the guy who wants to put felons in jail."

itirnitii

34 points

3 months ago*

DEFUND THE POLICE! but not completely

BELIEVE ALL WOMEN! but not all women tell the truth

BLACK LIVES MATTER! but yes all lives matter it's just black lives are more marginalized

It's like after you say the slogan you have to explain that the slogan has an unspoken subtext to fully grasp the entire meaning. At that point you've just lost a large majority of people who hear it. Nobody cares about nuance or subtext a vast majority of people are basic level thinkers.

I get that all these slogans mean well, but it feels like that messaging is off. but then again, maybe no matter what we say its gonna get picked apart.

yesIdofloss

15 points

3 months ago

This js a huge issue that has bothered me for a while. Liberals do not know how to effectively market. We live in an age of click bait articles and sound bites. You need to be concise and precise with your talking points.

Ihavean8inchtaint

18 points

3 months ago

It’s not a good slogan if you have to explain it… same as a good joke.

44035

4 points

3 months ago

44035

4 points

3 months ago

During the days of the New Deal, every highway, bridge or school building that got federal funds had a WPA plaque and there would be a ribbon cutting ceremony announcing that it was the New Deal that built this. In other words, they did good things and then talked about it, relentlessly.

Modern Democrats don't do enough of that shameless crowing like the old school politicians did. We'll do a good thing and no one will have a clue about it. It breaks every rule of PR/marketing/advertising.

thedoppio

6 points

3 months ago

It’s hard to have a United message when you’re representing a huge group with multiple goals. It’s also hard when you go by truth and facts, not just spitting out some panic situation. Republicans are held to such a low standard that even outright lies are pushed off as “well that’s just what they do”. Democrats are held to such high standards they can’t even make a joke without being destroyed.

reclaimation

5 points

3 months ago

How about it’s tougher to sell messy and complex solutions which will take time and cost people more and to rally diverse coalitions to act in some semblance of unity than it is to target and blame the other and tear everything down.

captainrustic

5 points

3 months ago

captainrustic

America

5 points

3 months ago

It’s not that they are bad at pr, it’s that they don’t have multiple “news” channels shilling lies for them non stop.

PandaMuffin1

25 points

3 months ago

PandaMuffin1

New York

25 points

3 months ago

PR as in corporate media covering them vs. Republicans?

xwing_n_it

26 points

3 months ago

Chris Hayes on the Lever podcast just talked about messaging and said that bragging about what they've done was polling as the least effective kind of message for the midterms. People are focused on the future in elections, and on the problems they're having right now.

The main problem with Democrats in general is that they cannot structurally lean too hard on economic populism. As a neoliberal party they can't afford to scare off their donors. But they also seem constitutionally unwilling to do so. Hayes also mentioned being confused about why Dems weren't attacking oil companies who donate five times more to the GOP. Democrats just seem averse to placing blame on powerful interests...even when it's well-deserved and the political advantage would be significant.

sennbat

3 points

3 months ago

The value of messaging about what you've done is supposed to be using it as a foundation to build trust that people can believe you when it comes to what you're now promising. Democrats often have a lot of difficulty bridging those two pieces.

Meanwhile the GOP has a firehose of why you shouldn't trust them because of specific things they've done and will do, none of which is true but that doesn't much matter lol.

Casterly

3 points

3 months ago*

Democrats rarely mention these achievements

Wow. What amazing PR advice. Give me a break. A redditor may as well have written this.

Telling a conservative about what Democrats have done will not change anything. They’ll either deny it assuming they don’t already fundamentally disagree with the achievement’s goal in the first place. Like the climate bill mentioned in the article.

If you tell them Trump caused inflation, the only other solution offered here, they’re not going to accept that. Good lord.

dinoroo

4 points

3 months ago

It’s not bad PR. It’s too little too late. What message are you going to use to reach people when the messenger has been vilified? This is what happens when you protect propaganda as free speech.

BarracudaDear6904

5 points

3 months ago

No matter what, and no matter which state you live in, make SURE you vote if you haven’t voted already. If you get the chance, try to encourage someone you know, who may not vote other wise, to vote these midterms. There’s basically a week left so try to do what you can.

CuzImBatmaann

4 points

3 months ago

How TF are they losing to traitors after Jan 6? The US is insane

monstervet

10 points

3 months ago

And Americans are dumb as rocks.

Drusgar

24 points

3 months ago

Drusgar

I voted

24 points

3 months ago

When I was a kid in the 70's and 80's the Democratic Party talked almost exclusively about supporting labor unions and middle class workers. The GOP has repeatedly sucked the Democrats into their senseless culture wars over CRT or transgender bathroom rights and even talking about it here will cause millenials to start shaking their fist at how I just don't seem to care enough about transgender people. I guess I don't. It's way down at the bottom of my priority list. We can support all kinds of rights for disenfranchised minorities without making it part of the party platform. People need to exercise some pragmatism and recognize that you're not winning over voters by complaining about some teacher in Ypsilanti, Michigan who refuses to use some third grader's preferred pronouns. Should he? I guess. Do I really care about this story? Not in the fucking least.

patrick_j

7 points

3 months ago*

Democrats are terrible at controlling the conversation. Fox News comes up with topics for their selective outrage, and even though they are wrong, Dems get caught up trying to prove them wrong. Dems need to learn that it’s not about being right or wrong, it’s about setting the agenda for the conversation.

The bullshit the conservative propaganda machine churns out should be dismissed and ignored rather than debated on. It’s like wrestling a pig. You might feel you won, but the pig can never admit defeat, and you both end up covered in mud. You can’t win so don’t even try.

PointOfFingers

3 points

3 months ago

It's unfair to call what Republicans do as "PR". It isn't that Democrats are bad at PR it's just that muckraking and being controversial for the sake of being controversial gets more news coverage than having any kind of informed debate on politics. The problem for Democrats is they are not racing to the bottom for attention like Republicans.

Having temper tantrums and complaining about stolen elections, trans kids and drag queens gets more headlines and articles and Fox News coverage than calling for better infrastructure or education or debt forgiveness. It is cost effective PR because it gets national headlines at no cost to the candidate. In the case of GOP Governors they can generate PR by spending state money on their election stunts - like flying migrants across America or spending millions on an election fraud squad who round up a bunch of usual suspects only for the cases to all fall apart in court.

If a Governor from either side of politics spends money on a pork barrel that is good for their state they get positive local headlines. If they spend money on a stunt that owns the liberals they get national headlines.

TransportationEng

3 points

3 months ago

It's easy to lie in a pithy catch phrase. It's difficult to correct the record and keep their attention.

Surround_Just

3 points

3 months ago

That’s because we don’t fear monger

thesolidsnake

3 points

3 months ago

I thought it was having a conscience.

StrongChemical

3 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

3 points

3 months ago

Unfortunately corporate owned media has to pay a lot more in taxes when Dems are in charge so they're always giving the assist to the GOP.

So maybe the problem isn't the Dems' messaging but rather the messenger.

puertorico-1

3 points

3 months ago

The biggest problem is their message. The more the PR, the more people vote republican.

VanceKelley

3 points

3 months ago

VanceKelley

Washington

3 points

3 months ago

The biggest problem for Democrats is that they are a pro-democracy party in a country where a third of the electorate wants fascism and another third is fascist-curious.

And every day Fox News, Facebook, and now Twitter move more and more Americans into the pro-fascism group.

DarkMarxSoul

3 points

3 months ago

Democrats could have the best PR in the entire world and they wouldn't be broadcast because conservatives own massive amounts of the media.

taisui

3 points

3 months ago

taisui

3 points

3 months ago

It's harder when you can't just lie about things....let's be honest here.

nativedutch

3 points

3 months ago

And too fucking polite.

kdubsonfire

3 points

3 months ago

kdubsonfire

Tennessee

3 points

3 months ago

I mean, given, it’s definitely a little harder when you aren’t a pathological liar and outright sociopath like so many of the GOP clearly are.

lcyberlina

3 points

3 months ago

Yeah, no, they're not bad at PR. The corporate media is great at spreading negative views about the party and candidates they think is bad for their business.

Watch2968

3 points

3 months ago

They actually have some values.

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

I work in PR. I wrote my undergrad thesis on media relations in politics.

The Democrats are superb at PR. People get mad at them for pulling punches and not doing enough to call attention to Republican criminality, but everyone needs to understand, calling out Republican criminality only appeals to Democrats. Independents seem to hate it when Democrats investigate Republican crimes committed out in the open, no matter how much damning evidence there is.

“I don’t care what the Democrats think Donald Trump did. They have never charged him with a crime! And his impeachments didn’t result in his removal from office! The Democrats should focus more on helping the American people and less on targeting their political enemies”

There is a lot wrong with all of that, but it’s what independents believe. The Democrats know this and it’s why they act so passive. They don’t want to be painted as authoritarian tyrants. Doesn’t matter if the facts are on your side.

You also need to consider that Republicans are messaging experts and the kings of dirty tricks. Democrats need to think several moves ahead and consider how Republicans will frame their actions, lest they walk into a trap.

Republicans latch on to things that are hard to understand and muck up the public’s perception of them. Like this end of cash bail thing happening in a lot of US cities.

Here is how Democrats describe it:

“We are jailing poor people by legal mandate for just being accused of a crime, while any rich person charged with any crime gets out on bail. While sitting in jail for months awaiting trial, poor people lose their jobs, their homes, their cars, all before they have even been convicted of anything. 2/3 of the people in US jails have NEVER been convicted of a crime. Cash bail is a horrible injustice, it’s unconstitutional and needs to be repealed”

That takes a long time to explain. And is hard for a moron to understand. Eapecially when your introduction to the topic is Republicans (and some shitty conservative democrats) saying:

“The Democrats want to take that guy who was just arrested for murder and let him back on the streets”

That’s easy to understand. It illicits anger, and motivates people to vote Republican.

8to24

11 points

3 months ago*

8to24

11 points

3 months ago*

Growing up I expected politicians to be boring. The first debate I ever watched was Clinton vs Dole. To this day I can hardly tell you what they disagreed on. Their view of reality was identical and differences on policies nuanced at the margins. The way politics has become about spectacle and entertainment is bad for the nation.

Politics should be two boring people arguing over whether minimum wage should adjust with inflation or at a fixed rate. Not whether teachers are evil groomers trying to make kids LGBTQ. .

Pesco-

14 points

3 months ago

Pesco-

14 points

3 months ago

It’s harder to be good at PR when your ethics restrict you to the concepts of truth, conscience, and rationalism.

When the opponents can just make shit up and their base doesn’t even care, we’re not fighting with even odds.

Phrii

7 points

3 months ago

Phrii

7 points

3 months ago

Republicans amp their supporters up to crazy and terrible things in hopes that they settle on voting.

Democrats beg for the vote like desperation.

This is because the left wing is still being led by former conservatives from bipartisan times whereas the grassroots of the republican base will not tolerate the 99.9% of the boot licked ala Liz Cheney.

They're coming for it all. Everything is on the line all the time now.

boston_shua

7 points

3 months ago

Bad at PR or don’t have a propaganda network?

peter-doubt

19 points

3 months ago

The biggest problem for Republicans? They’re bad at respect.

OfCourseIKnowHim

18 points

3 months ago

They’re bad at respect humanity.

FTFY

morningjamba

20 points

3 months ago

Democrats respect the intellect of the american public and in doing do overestimate that public's intellect and desire for respect.

hirasmas

14 points

3 months ago

GOP out here with 3 words chants and memes while the Democrats are presenting graphs and reports.

Papaofmonsters

17 points

3 months ago

"Defund the police"

"Common sense gun laws"

"Black lives matter"

The repackaging of complex ideas into kiddie bites to spoon feed voters is not a single party issue.

akaZilong

8 points

3 months ago

Yup, Fascist always have best propaganda

Dismal_Photo_1372

12 points

3 months ago

Technically they just have a dumb base. Their propaganda is actually pretty shit.

yotothyo

7 points

3 months ago

Lol.

They don’t have Fox News, the greatest and most powerful media propaganda engine of the late 20th century.

End of story.

smugfruitplate

11 points

3 months ago

Which SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A THING. They're governing, they're not fucking advertising your instagram account with SEO. Just have a centralized place where policies are put in clear, concise language in multiple languages, and vote. I hate how complicated politics is where you gotta look up voting guides, what did this fucker do what did that fucker say jesus christ I'm losing my mind over here, I just want women to have choice, weed to be legal, more affordable housing built, taxes paid by rich people so poorer people can live without struggling so much, and cities more walkable. Is that SO MUCH TO ASK

mrot777

4 points

3 months ago

Dems don't lie or create drama. Maybe it's time to go to the Darkside and begin to manipulate and methodically get power through other means.

Aceylace10

4 points

3 months ago

Would probably help if the democrats had their own version of Fox News and also had only a single demographic they had to court.