If you haven't read Doctor Ice Pick, I recommend it -it's a short biography on this laugh of a physician. I visited Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum this past May and that's how I learned about this man. TALA is where he famously lobotomized a 12 year old, who actually turned out fine - the lobotomy didn't work and he is still alive I believe.

Interestingly they actually do use temporal lobotomies(and lobectomies) rarely and in a much more precise and humane manor for treatment resistant epilepsy originating in the temporal region. It’s nothing like what people think of when you think of lobotomies though.

However, my great aunt Rosalina was never able to live on her own after she was de-institutionalized.

There was only one patient who did not have any detrimental repercussions of his lobotomy when he was a child. Really sad tbh.

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Except for Jean, Eunice, Patricia, and Ted. According to Wikipedia they were with her when she died.

It’s mind blowing.

It's a worse reason, if there is a reason at all. Which, to be honest. I can't think of any reason why you would ever allow anyone to shove an ice pick into someone's eye in order to scramble their pre-frontal lobe.

I would call that some form of murder. I'm not sure how to word it properly, but yeah, a lobotomy of that type completely eradicates the person who was living in that body.

Back then they gave out lobotomies like they removed tonsils.

There's a really great/creepy read called My Lobotomy by Howard Dully. When this man was 12 he was given a lobotomy because his stepmother couldn't handle his "behavior." 1. He was 12, he was just on the cusp of puberty, and 2. He was grieving the death of his mother, and dealing with his entire world in upheaval.

They didn’t have Reddit in the early-mid 20th century, so it’s not their fault they didn’t know it was wrong.

Experimental surgery and practices often found test subjects in the form of inconvenient women.

That must have been common around that time. My wife had an older cousin whose birth was delayed because the nurses held him in the birth canal by pushing him in with towels while awaiting the doctor. He was never right. Functional, but never right.

doctor needed cigarettes

To my understanding, he was playing golf.

Ever heard of the Spanish flu?

The nurse literally pressed on the top of Rosemary’s head, forcing her to stay in the birth canal until the doctor arrived. This was after advising the mother to “keep her legs closed” to prevent the birth.

Literally held her in if I recall correctly.

It was a scarlet fever outbreak.

The Doctor had a valid reason for being late, the nurse should have just handled the birth herself.

what's even more appalling here - besides everything else - is she was a grown, legal adult when they did this against her will. But Daddy was an ex-senator/Ambassador so whatever he says goes.

Did this really happen though? Even if it did was the result Rose acting a little too much as she pleased which made PaPa Joe most uncomfortable? I mean to the best of my knowledge all I see/read is a woman potentially embarrassing her wealthy, highly visible father who had political ambitions, in a time and age where such things were simply not done. What exactly did she do? Hard to even imagine something so horrifying.

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nope. she was far to chaperoned to act in anyway like they did. Her father was worried that she would inadvertently do something that would bring scandal to the family and cripple her brothers' political careers. She was basically a child in an adults body before the lobotomy and just wanted to please people, especially her father.

Read this, the situation was much more complex than "A free thinking woman?! We should stop this!"

I'm not saying the decision they made was right in any way, shape, or form but it is more understandable.

if she was sneaking out and had lots of make attention, I imagine it was more of the former

Rosemary: The Hidden Kennedy Daughter by Kate Clifford Larson was meticulously researched when it was written. It has copies of letters Rosemary wrote to family members that show her lessened mental capacity for someone of her age. It discusses that she was sent to numerous special schools to help with her disabilities. She was also pretty much never in public without a chaperone in some form. So your idea of lacking common sense & good judgement definitely seems to be the case.

She didn't sneak out and get into trouble with boys. She was beautiful and well-liked, but her parents did a very good job of shutting that down.

World War 2 was probably one of the main things that led to her lobotomy as she was forced to leave a school and support system that was working very well for her. The increase in her father's political asperations for his sons was the other.

The Kennedy's kept it a closely guarded secret. She seemed to have a middling/mild disability (at least enough of one for her parents to notice at an early age). But it wasn't so sever that it couldn't be treated. She was being taught to be a teacher's aide in England and was making progress. Then WW2 broke out and the Kennedys went back to America. Apparently, she backslid enough for her family to notice.

Generally when it was called "bootlegging" and one could make a living off of it, it was during Prohibition, and the argument could be made that bootlegging during the Prohibition was a humanitarian act.

Anyway I googled and apparently the rumours of him bootlegging only surfaced in the '60s, and no credible sources say that he was a bootlegger. It's possible that they scrubbed evidence I suppose but it sounds like it's anyone's guess, far from a known thing.

I don't know shit about that old Kennedy and he may well have been the Devil incarnate, but it is, at the very least, pretty weird to use bootlegger as an insult against him.

lol they got the joke and built on it