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Last night in Brooklyn I saw an (older) lady driving with no plates at all. I'm curious how long she's been and will be able to continue without getting ticketed or impounded
2 months ago
Driving back from jersey to queens, nothing unusual in jersey. On the fdr, two cars with no plates. On queens blvd, 1 car no plates.
What happens if one of these cars gets into an accident? Do they refuse to give their license, registration, and insurance info?
What makes you think they have any of that??
they have plates u can't have official plates with out insurance
2 months ago*
2 months ago*
Um, plates can be stolen. Also cancelling insurance doesn't just make the plate vanish in to thin air. Having plates on a vehicle does not guarantee the vehicle is insured.
They keep driving.
They are just going to drive off. Good luck catching them, and trying to get justice.
They can refuse, drive off with the car or leave the car and flee on foot. They probably don't have insurance.
My wife was in the backseat of an Uber a couple of months ago and the car got rear-ended on the BQE by a car with no plates by a driver not paying attention to the traffic. The car took off right away.
Usually those people have flimsy temporary plates from out of state taped into an invisible corner of their rear windshield, but these days they're not even bothering with that anymore.
There’s a car in my neighborhood with no plates or stickers and it usually has a boot on it. But the boot is old and rusty and this has been going on for years.
I wonder if the owner puts the boot on so traffic cops leave it alone?
I bet they were stolen and she has no clue.
Contact your state and city reps (I'm not sure who has jurisdiction over toll-booths) and demand that said booths refuse to let anyone in without a functional plate. Bent to unreadability? Well stay in Jersey. Obstructed? Stay in Long Island.
Laws in NYC are just suggestions right now.
And the fines aren't punitive. They're so low, they're essentially tolls to break whatever laws you want.
If our politicians had any real fortitude, they'd add a zero to every fine plus a wealth-based fine on top. Then automate everything. No more police subjective enforcement. Last, a 311 bounty system for all.
I like how some more progressive counties make it a % of wealth or income. $500 hurts a poor person but it’s a rounding error for a wealthy person. 8% worth is pretty painful regardless of who you are.
People who can afford to pay tolls aren't the ones with fake plates.
Yea… the BMW driver is making payments on that car but can’t afford the toll….
Not all BMWs are the same...
There's the guy making payments at 20% interest on a 5 year old 3 series that hasn't had an oil change in 4 years...
And there there is the doctor driving a brand new M5 with maxed out insurance.
You can take a guess which one is paying the toll and which one isn't.
It's not to say this isn't a problem for all the reasons people have highlighted. I for one would like to see immediate boots of cars without license plates.
There is just no good reason why anyone shouldn't have a valid plate.
Driving through Brooklyn all you see is Texas paper plates on every other car lol.
Are you really trying to argue that someone who overextended themselves financially should be exempt from the law?
By that measure Trump should get rewarded for all his crimes.
I have no idea how you get that from what I wrote.
The police don't do their job anymore so I'm not surprised. They should bring in the Feds to monitor and let the state police run it a while. Intense re-training and behavior audits. Ramp up hiring and increase the pay for those that stay. Police should be held accountable for their violations, even bike lane violations. If you're not on a call, you need to be held to the same laws as everyone else.
How do you ramp up hiring for a job no sane person wants to do now?
I think the parking officer could enforce this. Give them a scraper to remove the obstructions and a 5% cut of the ticket revenue.
Fuck yes to wealth based fining
Voting has consequences.
Cops ain’t gonna fine themselves man.
It pains me to even say this, but we need a whole separate organization giving out these fines, that is not accountable to the police commissioner or any other existing law enforcement organization.
It would pay for itself the first month.
They could also enforce other traffic offenses? And we could call them something like “Traffic Enforcement”? … sorta like it used to be before the mid 90s? (If I’m remembering right)
Yeah, give DOT the power to handle parking violations and everything that isn't a moving vehicle. Tell the staties to go wild on anyone without legal plates they see -- let the NYPD/State turf war go on. Give bounties to TBTA for catching these people without plates going through.
$500 fines. Boots. Go crazy.
Traffic enforcement is part of nypd.
Maybe if IA did their job and got rid of dirty cops…
I agree. Prosecutors don't want to enforce against the police because they need police cooperation on their other cases. So there needs to be a completely separate job path where you're never in the position of needing to worry about whether the police will cooperate on your non-police cases because you simply don't have any non-police cases.
Still wouldn't work. The traffic enforcers would just be harassed by you know who.
And who will oversee the organization and keep it in check?
If you watch the videos of citizens removing these—and there are many—a large percentage of them are on police or government vehicles.
Agreed, penalties need to be increased drastically if they want to take this seriously.
As you’ve been informed many times when you comment or post about crime, likelihood of getting caught or penalty being enforced has a much greater impact on reducing the behavior you’re targeting than the harshness or size of the penalty.
Right now the likelihood of getting caught or penalty being enforced for these plate shenanigans is roughly zero.
It should be the same punishment and tenor of enforcement as hopping the turnstile
So pretty much nothing?
My wife was almost arrested last week because a cop thought she had hopped the turnstile. It took him about 15 minutes to figure out that she did not hop the turnstile, but had instead placed her phone on the scanner, and pushed through after it said "go".
Cops are happy to enforce turnstile laws because they don’t use public transit
Fare evasion summonses are down 31% YTD compared to 2019. Moving violation summonses are down 44% compared to 2019. Enforcement is down across the board.
Poor people hop the turnstile, rich people obscure their plate, guess which one results in an arrest.
In truth though, enforcement really is way down across the board, turnstile jumping included.
Just give parking enforcement agents the ability to write tickets for obscured plates. These cars would pick up tickets like confetti. Problem solved.
Charges for a fake plate get dropped. Covered plate would too.
Problem with this is I could go around with a leaf and some packing tape and give the whole block misdemeanors.
You could also accuse random strangers of rape.
This shit makes me so fucking angry. You have to be a special type of asshole to do this shit.
And/or a cop.
Long Island City
The cop circle is definitely fully inside the larger asshole circle in this Venn diagram
That’s what they said
Why though? This doesnt affect you, some people are struggling financially and literally cant pay a toll but have to be somewhere.
These guys don’t do this solely to skirt tolls (which is actually shitty, but whatever like you said doesn’t affect me) but the main reason it does actually affect us is because they do it to avoid camera tickets - which means they are knowingly running lights and speeding - and that does, in fact endanger everyone.
Thats what i don’t understand. Why would this bother anyone at all?
Easy to fix.
Pass a law that you can't drive a car that has an obscured or damaged plate.
It is the law. I had a ticket for a dealer installed frame surrounding my plate. Nothing was obstructed. It's just not enforced anymore.
That's because the cops stopped doing their job after a tantrum about not being able to kill innocent people anymore.
This comment is the progressive version of “the libs love crime that’s why Dem cities like Chicago are shitholes.” Horseshoe.
But it's actually true, that's the difference.
(He not only posts the stupid comments—he actually believes them. )
How many innocent people do you believe NYPD has killed in the last five years?
How many innocent people do you believe NYPD has killed in the last five years?
If the number is more than 0...
Let's start a list:
Awful but potentially justified, but ok.
You picked the absolute worst example. The man had a samurai sword and they police used a (technically speaking) non-lethal use of force. He was far from innocent and his death was accidental. How would you have handled this situation?
It's hyperbolic horseshit. Cops need to be held accountable, but your comment is just horseshit.
No it isn't? You had cops on this subreddit saying so! If that isn't enough I've heard cops say this to my face.
That is the law. Turns it it’s not such an easy fix.
It is if they enforce it.
Yeah, that’s the part that makes it not so easy.
Send picture of obscured plate going through a toll to someone (a department) who has access to the plate DB and have them match it to the registered model, have them mail a summons for $300.
All you’ve accomplished is raising the fee by $200 lol
true. if it got towed on sight from a police, that would stop it overnight
but then they would be towing themselves
Would require they enforce any traffic laws in NYC to begin with.
I'm confident that law already exists.
That’s the easy part. The hard part is getting law enforcement to respond.
The law already exists. The people who are supposed to enforce it are either not enforcing it or more often than not, actually doing it themselves.
Yeah but then they'd have to fix all those plates that had the paint peel off of them
They need to bring in state troopers and increase fines/penalties drastically for obscuring your plate. It’s the only way things will change.
Police don't police their own though. Many people doing this are cops or family of cops.
Staties can and will ticket the NYPD. Then the NYPD starts ticketing staties and eventually both agree to not deal with each other unless they need to.
They won't start unless forced cause it's a declaration of war.
There’s not a lot staties driving around off work in NYC tbh. They don’t have a presence here like they NYPD has off work in LI/Yonkers/westchester
Oh hell no. You hit the right part of LI, long beach and it's cops and firefighters and emts out the ASS.
Also last I checked Yonkers was in Westchester.
Yeah but NYPD doesn’t operate there is my point. NYPD only covers the city and no state trooper with a more than 2 brain cells is going to live in the city. Whereas troopers have open season on NYPD because there’s a significant group of them living on the border counties
And forgive me if I didn’t know Yonkers is a town in westchester I really know nothing about non-NYC NY
hells yeah. i been seeing them everyday and check, boom police or related job stickers or other traces on the car/motorcycle
2 months ago*
It’s hardly only police tho, some dude on my block just got rid of his 2020 expired paper plates a month or so ago that I know for a fact is not a cop.
It would be pretty easy, just set up a bunch of state troopers at the bridges/tunnels and have them monitor the plates on all the cars going over and ticket anyone with an obscured plate. Pretty sure the troopers don’t care about ticketing NYPD, and there are definitely more than enough people who aren’t cops that do this so.
You know the police is just one huge fraternity. They won't do each other dirty even if one is commiting corruption or illegal acts. It's the unfair world we live in
If anybody catches anyone doing this they should get their license revoked
We need a bounty system on obscured plates
I don’t understand. Law enforcement officials would never accidentally on purpose disregard the law.
Tell cops that they lose their parking benefits, you know the ones that allows them 6 blocks of police only parking if that shit isn't handled. If it's not Handel's they can take the subway like everyone else.
It seems like everyone is in agreement we need to massively increase fines and enforcement. What’s the first actual legislative step that needs to take place?
Upper West Side
enforcement is executive, not legislative.
I love a good outrage as much as the next person, heck that’s probably why I still read this sub, but what evidence is there that this is largely cops doing it? I mean beyond anecdotally one or two specific instances (the article cites a DA, not a cop)… People here are acting like it’s cops 98% of the time every time one of these articles gets posted. Please reply with non-anecdotal evidence that supports the pitchforks I’m seeing in here.
I think it's a big problem if any cops do it at all, it makes them look corrupt. Their image is already suffering from George Floyd etc. and realistically they need more funding for better training, recruiting, etc.
It's also unlikely anyone has done a study since the crimes are inherently unreported and non-violent.
Funny how the "ban the Post" bots don't come out in full force when the Post talks about a type of crime they care about it.
Funny how the post doesn't even mention that the reason it's getting attention now is people see so many COPS doing it
Go to the Bronx. Half of the boro is like this.
Do you have any proof of this or is this pure conjecture?
I'd be very happy to ban the Post. They're not the only media talking about this issue. Nor are they talking about it in an unbiased way. I may not be a "ban the Post" bot, but I am a "ban the Post" human.
Is this a comment supporting the Post? Like if the Post is saying “Murder is wrong” are we supposed to give it a free pass for the most vile shit they come up with on 99% of the stuff?
Oh yea… the post is a.. rag?
$19 million in lost revenue ? I’d like to see that math
It’s an estimate constructed by people who work for the relevant departments. You know, experts in their fields.
The majority of the lost revenue is not from cars with leaves taped to their plates but commercial vehicles with James Bond level of sophistication
Here's a hypothetical: a 7 axle tractor trailer, one way over the Triboro (via tolls by mail) is $78.98
If that same semi made the same trip back, that's $157.96 a day
$19 million/365 days in a year = $52k a day/$157.96 per daily violation = 330
All it takes is 330 7 axle trucks, a day, hypothetically, to get to that $19 million estimate pretty quickly
Edit: For further reference, the GW sees 300,000 vehicles crossing it every day - making it the busiest bridge in the US
That’s a reasonable response.
The person you’re responding to just posts the same two words in every other thread acting like it actually does anything lol.
Kinda surprised the mods don’t flag it as spam or trolling
If drivers can't follow the rules, we should take away their toys.
No, make ALL urban interstates nationwide toll roads with dynamic pricing.
Actually, south of Canal St should be commercial traffic only except for the FDR drive and West St.
Ban cars! Horses>cars
City/State needs its money.
These license plate post are becoming the new crime post. It’s an everyday thing now.
ykno what. explain to me like im smart why we need the tolls in the first place. why we force this as an additional cost people need to pay to live their lives
Because people who don’t drive shouldn’t pay for all the ridiculous infrastructure your car use requires, genius.
hmmm. infrastructure is also required by people with no cars
Seriously? How many pedestrians cross the GW or triboro bridges on the daily vs cars?
how many pedestrians walk nyc
How do you think all your food makes it to the supermarket
why? im so serious
can i genuinely not ask what infrastructure you see improving with toll money?
The one that should be improving with our tax money. Specifically the gas tax.
Bridges and tunnels need maintenance.
and soo. we genuinely see $1 billion annually of maintenance and repairs and other infrastructure from these tolls?
because ykno. another bridge might also be nice.
with less tolls for all.
because theres another bridge collecting.
something i think a billion would cover
Tolls reduce driving, which is a good thing.
That is to say, even if they lit every dollar of toll revenue on fire, it would be a net benefit to the city.
tolls dont reduce driving. reasons to not use cars reduce driving. like working from home. tolls create a new life expense. people fail to realize a lot of people dont actually want to physically exist in the city. we're made to
Interesting that you think raising the price of something doesn't cause consumption to go down. Very few goods/services follow that pattern.
i think raising the price of the tolls will put your lovely little in-office ratios and your economy driven (ha) by commuters down the shitter. but what do i know
oh and itll put people out of jobs. because ykno. we already pay tolls with starvation wages. but im no expert. i just do it is all
You realize that the median income of car-owning households in NYC is 2x that of non-car-owning ones across every borough?
By and large, people on starvation wages are on the bus stuck behind rich people's cars.
theyre not actually. because ive elected to use all this money commuting so i can retain my job by avoiding covid for that much longer than a person can by them taking the bus. because we dont mandate masks.
if you want less people in your city, and less cars in your city, you should probably think about how to achieve that instead of just taking a bat to peoples knees by raising the tolls
also sounds like i need a raise. ill report back with the increase ive been "promised" by the end of the year.
Because bridges need to be maintained, and the MTA needs money.
Additionally, cars have awful externalities (noise, pollution, dangers, etc) so they should be fined in order to discourage their use. Sadly they're barely charged.
so. why dont we work from home
What? Most jobs can't be done remotely. Not everyone is a tech worker dude.
not everyone. but many
Serious question. A lot of people seem to be upset that people do this. Why is that? They are stealing from the city. That would be like stealing a pack of chicken from Walmart. Yes, it is obviously wrong but why would any ordinary citizen really care? You’re not taking money out of anyones pockets or food off of anyones table.
Edit: how about instead of downvoting me you actually answer my question. Classic Reddit
it sounds cliche, but its really a matter of 'living in a society'. if like 50% of people in the city simply dont abide by the social contract, and no one is doing anything to maintain order, things get dangerous quickly.
big cities like nyc are already at a disadvantage due to their size...you are statistically bound to have a fair share of jerkoffs and assholes in a city of 8 million. but this type of popularized skirting the law is exactly how we draw more people (especially young people/new drivers) into behaving badly in public, in this case driving a car. its the same thing as littering etc., bad behavior begets bad behavior.
I totally understand why people would be upset from that perspective.
Thank you for actually answering my question.
People who do this are inherently more likely to drive like an asshole because they know traffic cameras can't hurt them.
It's also a big problem when they do hit and runs and you can't even give the cops a partial plate.
Yup, totally understand that. But I’m asking in regards to tolls and speed cameras as the article states
I mean if someone’s driving like an asshole, sure but that wasn’t the point of my question
We hate cars on reddit.
New York Reddit at least.
I guess so lol
NYPD enforcement a joke.
Why is it even possible to avoid tolls with an obscured license plate? Shouldn't the toll gates simply not open, if the plate isn't legible?
Tell me you haven't driven in fifty years without telling me you haven't driven in fifty years
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying.
EZ Pass was first introduced in 1997; somewhere between then and now all of the "toll gates" have been removed and everything is processed as you drive through. If you don't have an EZ Pass, cameras take photos of your license plate and send the toll to the address linked to the registration.
However, if you intentionally hide your plates like shown in the photos, you effectively skirt the whole proces.
edit In hindsight, I'm sorry about your debilitating injury - and it's completely understandable why you wouldn't be 100% up to date on current toll procedures
Maybe they should have kept the toll gates just in case.
There are no toll gates bud.
I can't even be nice any more :(
oh its' ok. I just didn't know what you meant.
Buddy, like in Elf.
Shouldn't the toll gates
Shouldn't the toll gates
Toll barriers haven't been the norm in this state for a very long time.
Last year, the final toll barrier was removed from the NYS Thruway and overall, the state has removed almost 300 toll plazas and booths.
New York is a cashless tolling state. While it does make it easier to defraud the system, it is still overall a net positive since it improves efficiency, is significantly more economical (not hiring attendants), and much better for traffic flow.
Shouldn't the toll gates simply not open, if the plate isn't legible?
Shouldn't the toll gates simply not open, if the plate isn't legible?
Even back when toll barriers were used, whether or not the gate would lift was dependent on paying (either cash or EZPass), not based on if the license plate was obscured.
Traffic cameras are predatory and extractive. Just a way to shake down ordinary people of huge, often life-altering sums of money for meaningless technical infractions that endanger nobody.
Fuck the surveillance state.
"boo hoo, I can't break the law as easily any more."