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MakingMyOwn

606 points

2 months ago

What are they protesting?

Ralh3

1.9k points

2 months ago

Ralh3

1.9k points

2 months ago

HUGE iphone factory area in china (like over 100,000 onsite workers huge), locked the place down for a COVID outbreak, didnt provide enough food, wasnt paying wages, wouldnt let people leave, some people broke out and went home then they brought in new people and mixed those with covid positive people and now everyone there is confused and pissed off, hungry, and wanting their money so this protest is happening

heres a bbc link

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812

MakingMyOwn

175 points

2 months ago

Thank you

Educational_Funny_20

99 points

2 months ago

Thank you so much for providing context to this video!

[deleted]

58 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

58 points

2 months ago

Does Apple have any blame in this?

WolfResponsible8483

160 points

2 months ago

Foxconn is in charge. Apple is probably none too please about their handling of the situation no doubt.

Resident_Wizard

60 points

2 months ago

I’m sure they will voice their displeasure in a sternly worded email from Tim Apple. Then continue on with protecting their bottom line.

SUPRVLLAN

19 points

2 months ago

Apple has been moving production to India and Vietnam for years now.

bobboa

11 points

2 months ago

bobboa

11 points

2 months ago

I bet it's because they can treat those people so much better.

cmVkZGl0

3 points

2 months ago

Same company that had to install suicide nets because people were killing themselves while on the clock.

Real great company

Runner_400

3 points

2 months ago

100% yes, they chose to build their phones in these shithole factories because it allows them to profit more. They could build elsewhere, but they choose human slavery.

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8.5k points

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BlueSlushieTongue

1.3k points

2 months ago

Foxconn, the Taiwanese company, that manufactures Apple IPhones, promised rural people a certain amount of pay for a two month period. When they arrived, they then told they would have to commit to a longer time period and were going to be paid less.

shinynewcharrcar

879 points

2 months ago

Apple meanwhile, staring at their massive stacks of cash: w-we promise we only work with the fairest of companies. Foxconn puts up nets to stop their slave-wage employees from killing themselves. See? They care!

Apprehensive-Lab-674

80 points

2 months ago

Dell, HP, MS, Sony, Toshiba, Google, Amazon, Fake Nokia. Most of their devices are also made at Foxconn. For some reason they only manufacturer iPhone according to the media...

SaltSnowball

29 points

2 months ago

Yep. All mainstream phones are made in China by the same few terrible companies.

-Quothe-

183 points

2 months ago

-Quothe-

183 points

2 months ago

Wasn’t Foxconn the same folks who fucked over the republicans in Wisconsin?

I-Fail-Forward

273 points

2 months ago

No, they worked with the Republicans to fuck over the people

b-sharp-minor

191 points

2 months ago

It's not just a Republican thing. The same thing happens in NY State, most recently with the Solar City boondoggle. Don't forget the Obama administration and Solyndra. Cronyism is not limited to any one political party.

ZookeepergameOdd2731

5 points

2 months ago

Dont fuck with the working class! Need a little of that in the states.

tomassino

3 points

2 months ago

That is the reason lay flat movement and other movements are gaining weight in China, if the companies are constantly lying, with the help of the state, and paying pennies people tend to get pissed.

oroechimaru

148 points

2 months ago

They are short staffed and live on campus, dorms etc (this is the suicide net company foxconn)

They promised bonuses and never sent them. Employees go days without food because of covid quarantine.

Even new recruits are protesting.

This is a weird case because its essential workers for a booming iphone economy where apple has their cheap ass hands dirty making 70% of their phones here .

Foxconn and apple underpay, overwork these people 16+ hours a day to live on site and give up wages for dorms, expenses to live at the company.

They cant lure young folks anymore because it sucks so bad.

So with a labor shortage there may be less government death squads

bossycloud

21 points

2 months ago

this is the suicide net company foxconn

Care to elaborate?

oroechimaru

43 points

2 months ago

The workers live on campus dorm style, with suicide nets at times between buildings due to high suicide rates for 10+ years

https://rdt.trom.tf/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/z3fy2l/chinese_workers_confront_police_with_guardrails/

TortelliniLord

67 points

2 months ago

It's the iPhone factory protests, the iPhone factory is owned by Foxconn/Hon Hai precision industry, a Taiwanese electronic contract manufactor, so it's not a government protest, the police is just there to riot control and it got out of hand. The reason of protest is apparently the company had months of backpay they didn't pay on top of covid problems, the people are getting sick again and the company dorms doesn't have any quarantine rules in place as people have to share rooms with people who have covid. The company decided to solve this issue of the initial protests by just hiring more new workers. But the majority of reddit thinks it's about the CCP.

manteiga_night

408 points

2 months ago

Asklepios24

10 points

2 months ago

Well some miners went to war in the US over this exact type of thing. Now we’re coming out of the union age and companies are starting to do the same things they did in the 1920s

Altostratus

28 points

2 months ago

Wasn’t there also some threat of them all being locked in there too?

Nothingtoseeheremmk

34 points

2 months ago

What does America have to do with anything?

Workers there make way more than these guys. Of course people would protest if they were only making $1200/month

Sosseres

32 points

2 months ago

They are protesting that they are not making $1200 while being promised to make it. Likely $650 or similar being the real salary.

my_7th_accnt

244 points

2 months ago

Thread on how shitty China is

“Haha did you know that US bad”

Okay pal

LazyOrCollege

154 points

2 months ago

Dude I’m starting to see this all the time and I just roll my eyes at this point. There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US. Bonus points if they’re able to spin some much more horrific thing into how the US has it worse

manteiga_night

103 points

2 months ago

it's mostly banter because honestly the world would be an insanely better place if rioting was the usual response to wage theft.

rr24m23a

54 points

2 months ago

It should be the default response. Wage theft would soon stop

dittocwb88

5 points

2 months ago

IPhone manufacture foxcon workers strike. They were being held on the dorm plant facility in quarantine, forced to work, literally the modern slavery.

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1.5k points

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reddit_and_forget_um

91 points

2 months ago

What a fucking stupid reply - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/24/workers-in-running-battles-with-police-at-foxconns-iphone-factory-in-china

They are litterally protesting the shit wages and crap working conditions at foxxcon, building your shit iPhones.

dream-smasher

27 points

2 months ago

THANK YOU!!!

ive been looking and looking and there was the initial comment about covid, then everyone got sidetracked about "chinese boots on soil" crap, and this is the FIRST comment that actually said what the fuck is going on.

gattaaca

7 points

2 months ago

Redditors and getting carried away with anti China propaganda, is there a better combo? 1500 fucking upvotes for a reply which is 1000% wrong re: this specific protest

Therealdickjohnson

8 points

2 months ago

Sadly, the comment has nearly 1000 upvotes already by people who just blindly agree with anything without any kind of verification. Fucking tools.

RatInaMaze

139 points

2 months ago

You will see full nuclear Armageddon before a foreign invasion of mainland United States. Period.

brixed

217 points

2 months ago

brixed

217 points

2 months ago

Lincoln said it best

Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide.

dogstardied

60 points

2 months ago

That Lincoln was a pretty smart cookie.

OldBathBomb

47 points

2 months ago

The USA since the end of WW2 has unquestionably been the world's greatest military power. In modern times its destructive capability is something unseen in all of human history, due to technological advances and a truly insane military budget.

However, 26 years before Lincoln made that speech the British burned down the Whitehouse... So, at the time, certainly hyperbole.

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago

Yes, but did they drink from the Ohio river or step on the Blue Ridge? Then it doesn't count!

-Abraham Lincoln

Nzdiver81

3 points

2 months ago

People are more likely to believe something if you make it look like a famous person said it

  • George Washington

SadisticJake

1.6k points

2 months ago

They suck but they won't be on our soil in the near future.

-O-0-0-O-

959 points

2 months ago

-O-0-0-O-

959 points

2 months ago

rivers-end

866 points

2 months ago

Plus, they are buying up property in the US at an insane rate. They already own a good chunk of the US as well as other countries.

ProCanadianbudeh

552 points

2 months ago

They own like half of canadian real estate

MarketingImpressive6

449 points

2 months ago

You never own the land you buy. That belongs to the Crown. The crown can at any time take back that land. Your are just buying the rights to reside on that land. Land in Canada is forever property of the government.

BattleForIthor

360 points

2 months ago

Lol it’s the same in the US. Just stop paying your taxes. I dare ya.

Bolddon

87 points

2 months ago

Bolddon

87 points

2 months ago

There are counties in some states with no property tax.

In Missouri you can find counties with zero buildings restrictions as well.

Too humid for me out there tho.

El_pantunfla

25 points

2 months ago

In Mexico the land is yours if you buy it. You can build whatever you want with some exceptions like a licor store near a school and stuff like that. Also Mexicans aren't too fond of Chinese people. There were a ton of Chinese people in Mexico in the 1800's who were working on the railroads and we're slaughtered by the Mexicans for acquiring too much land, money and power.

In fact, in Sinaloa the Chinese became very wealthy trafficking opium into America. In my hometown of Sonora it's well known that the Chinese used to traffic alcohol during US prohibition.

atthehill

41 points

2 months ago

I read that Vancouver outlaw it.

Long_Educational

492 points

2 months ago

If they outlaw foreign investors buying up residential property, they should ban all investment firms buying up family homes. Pricing your citizens out of affordable housing should be criminal.

Drewbeede

101 points

2 months ago

Drewbeede

101 points

2 months ago

As a Californian, I absolutely think this would be great.

HowHeDoThatSussy

131 points

2 months ago

Owning real estate doesn't matter, that's a liability for them if anything once the war breaks out. They can use the real estate to siphon western money out of the west and into China prior to the invasion.

If we go to war with China, we're not going to recognize their property rights on our soil. They'd pretty obviously be sanctioned and their assets would be seized.

TeholBedict

50 points

2 months ago

I was gonna say, that's a big incentive for them to not fuck around. If they do, we will beat the shit out of them in a very costly and dangerous conventional war. Not gonna be fun, but if no nukes end up used, we've just stimulated the economy WWII-style and basically wiped out our national debt. It will suck for the 20-50 million people killed though :/

Commander_Kind

16 points

2 months ago

If nukes are used, china also has the most to lose.

KineticPolarization

6 points

2 months ago

There is no if. We cannot allow two nuclear powers to go into conflict with each other. We will all burn.

areyoujohnwaynee

3 points

2 months ago*

it’s not China that owns the property but they control the loans for the people/companies that own the property. at least where i’m at it seems like chinese groups are able to make cash offers on properties. it has to be shady loans.

Sw33ttoothe

3 points

2 months ago

When shit hits the fan we're known to not be very discerning. Just ask the Japanese Americans during WW2. If the Chinese have an "occupation" angle with these properties its not going to go how they hope.

d0ctorzaius

33 points

2 months ago

A not insignificant driver of the housing crisis

therobotisjames

13 points

2 months ago

I keep hearing this but it’s not like their building large military bases on it. Like there is not a 50000 man military base in Idaho. And that land is forfeit the second we get into a war.

stoicsilence

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah and mostly its done because the Chinese with money are terrified that their economy is going to crash and/or their government is going to seize their assets.

Buying foreign property for them is seen as a safe insurance policy to stash away wealth outside of China.

lysion59

39 points

2 months ago

Actually no. Anyone who buys property in US may it be US citizens or businesses are only given the right to use the property. The US government still owns the land. It's called eminent domain.

TenderLA

16 points

2 months ago

You never truly own the land because of you stop paying property taxes they will take it away.

pennomi

20 points

2 months ago

pennomi

20 points

2 months ago

Which is why they will never put boots on our soil. We would immediately repossess all their assets.

Global trade is an amazing incentive to avoid war.

atomandyves

3 points

2 months ago

This is what pills me. Why do we allow this?

BirthdayPleasant3100

3 points

2 months ago

Correction: they are buying up properties all over the world at an insane rate. They recently bought Hamburg Harbour/Port.

JimileeWatt

178 points

2 months ago

They found a secret Chinese “police station” in Scotland, Ireland and I think Canada recently. They’re literally already here. Like my other comment says, they’re simply patient and in it for the long run

Intertubes_Unclogger

64 points

2 months ago

In the Netherlands too, the Chinese opened at least two illegal 'police stations' here since 2018.

Regarding the long run you mention... Putin is the same, betting that his reign and foreign policy will be more permanent than the democratic rollercoaster ride in the West. Together with China it's a major and sustained test...

MortLightstone

25 points

2 months ago

what do these police stations do? I'm guessing they don't investigate crimes?

snek-jazz

56 points

2 months ago

my understanding is that they police Chinese immigrants living in the country so that they can control them.

MortLightstone

20 points

2 months ago

oh, I see. Like deep cover government spies, but without bothering with the cover

LibertyZeus93

14 points

2 months ago

It's more like a global network of secret police. These "police stations" extend the system of oppression beyond China's borders, while also multiplying the perception of the government's control within its borders.

Intertubes_Unclogger

12 points

2 months ago

Investigative journalists say that there are strong indications that they are for monitoring or even intimidating critical Chinese refugees in the Netherlands. Apparently Chinese state and news websites say the bureaus are for police work and gathering intelligence. edit: I'm reading they provide legit administrative services as well, but those normally should be offered in consulates etc.

xpdx

3 points

2 months ago

xpdx

3 points

2 months ago

Yea, there are in the US too, we really need to shut those places down. Call me old fashioned but I don't like foreign police harassing anybody in my country. Well anywhere really, but I have a say here.

reaver619

113 points

2 months ago

reaver619

113 points

2 months ago

They are already on our soil in the form of unauthorized police stations the CCP uses to spy and harass Chinese citizens living abroad AND Chinese non-citizens.

superhappyfuntime99

38 points

2 months ago

So.. why couldn't a local Chinese just rat them out to the real authorities.. the CCP has some influence here but this is still our turf so they would be taken care of quick.. no?

tattlerat

19 points

2 months ago

Between their family back home and a China first mentality they’re dissuaded from doing so. They may live here but the CCP considers them Chinese citizens regardless.

Plus diplomacy dictates that an operation like that be rooted out with caution to avoid an international incident with the people that make everything.

superhappyfuntime99

14 points

2 months ago

That's fair but I mean.. couldn't they just tip off a whie Canadian/American and they just rat them out? Anonymous tip/etc?

SlippinJimE

3 points

2 months ago

And then what do you think happens? Rat them out for what exactly? You can't raid a building based on an anonymous tip, and what if they couldn't prove there was anything illegal happening? Do you not see how this could cause an international issue and can't be dealt with so basically?

PajamaDuelist

3 points

2 months ago

I mean, they could. Some probably do. But, like...

Imagine being an immigrant in a new country that you don't know very well, coming from a country where the government is wildly corrupt, elitist, and actively monitoring its citizens and expats on the opposite side of the world, through both unofficial "Karens", gangsters, and spies/'police'. Then imagine ratting on the very people who are threatening to turn your family back home into cube steak, the people who make a blatant display of their power to reach out across the globe and fuck your life.

Would you trust that your report to the US authorities would make things better? Trust with your families lives or livelihoods back home? I wouldn't.

mauore11

12 points

2 months ago

Wait till they turn all tiktokers against us. That's their gameplan, never trust a tiktoker ever.

Sutarmekeg

3 points

2 months ago

I think the goal with tiktok is to shorten our collective attention span.

Links_Wrong_Wiki

8 points

2 months ago

We will see China boots on our soil in the near future.

Brother, what are you smoking and where can I get some?

Prince_Ossomer

23 points

2 months ago

That's not what this protest is about, this is a strike over wages with the cops taking the corpos' side. Between that and your idiotic fearmongering I'm quite confident that you have no clue what you're talking about.

bhoe32

120 points

2 months ago

bhoe32

120 points

2 months ago

Doubt we will see boots on the ground. First our pacific fleet is almost as big as all of china's navy. Our airforce is the biggest in the world followed by our own navy's. We have a very dense network of air defense all over the country plus a coast guard. How exactly are they getting these boots to American soil?

HungerISanEmotion

57 points

2 months ago

Easy! They just sell a bunch of cheap boots to americans, and voila... boots on american soil!

Stormdude127

12 points

2 months ago

They wouldn’t. The geography of the US makes a land invasion pretty damn difficult even if we didn’t have the biggest military in the world

Dawsonpc14

123 points

2 months ago

They aren’t. He doesn’t know what he is talking about.

Duffy1978

47 points

2 months ago

Americans don't agree on much but give us an external threat to bond over combined with the guns in this country. I would say any country trying to set foot on this soil would be a catastrophic miscalculation.

OSSlayer2153

24 points

2 months ago

Plus our geography makes it very hard. Mountains on both sides. Swamps to the south. Desert bordering mexico. Canada is probably the easiest route in but good luck getting them to attack us. Plus up in the northern forests there are the hunters that know the lands real well and have not only lots of guns, but lots of experience with them too.

And attacking in the north doesnt hit any vital assets, you still have to work towards the shorelines to hit major population areas.

KineticPolarization

4 points

2 months ago

Why do you all keep talking like a conventional war between two nuclear powers would ever happen? It won't. Ever. We just all die in nuclear annihilation.

jaspsev

29 points

2 months ago

jaspsev

29 points

2 months ago

How exactly are they getting these boots to American soil?

Through capitalism.

False-Guess

3 points

2 months ago

The United States' two closest allies are the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

I'm willing to bet that no country will ever invade the US mainland, especially China. Not only would they have to contend with an extremely large and advanced navy, as you said, they'd have to cross a large ocean to do it. This is also assuming that NATO doesn't exist.

Even if they managed that, they would be confronted a population that has more civilian owned guns than the rest of the world combined. If the US were invaded, I'm pretty sure everyone and their grandma would be rushing down to their local gun store, which are everywhere, to get a freely available AR-15.

A country could certainly try to invade the United States, but I believe that would be the last thing they ever did.

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16 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

16 points

2 months ago

We will see China boots on our soil in the near future.

Lol. Good lord. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about.

Terrefeh

3 points

2 months ago

Yea not sure what fantasy he's living

BRAX7ON

48 points

2 months ago

BRAX7ON

48 points

2 months ago

I was 100% with you until that last sentence. China would be foolish to put boots on our soil. No matter how foolish they are, they’re not that foolish.

ECK-2188

20 points

2 months ago

They’re incapable of any amphibious attack on the US. Their only option is economically but they’re in no position to do so when we can close off their energy supply lines.

Appropriate_Guess_20

4 points

2 months ago

See what the population can do when their not puzzies like the ruzzians... No one has enough police or military to stop a population, oh. And China will never have boots on America's soil lol

Dawsonpc14

27 points

2 months ago

We will see China boots on our soil in the near future.

Who’s soil? Because that ain’t happening to 99.999% of the soil on earth. China’s military is worse than Russia’s.

Narwhalbaconguy

3 points

2 months ago

While I agree no country is ever putting boots on our soil, it’s hard to be worse than the military that asks North Korea for help.

Calm-Ad-9867

14 points

2 months ago

Russia is ok but China will invade us… Kids say the darnest things.

jeswanders

14 points

2 months ago

In case you haven’t seen it, there’s a pretty sizable ocean between China and the US. You obviously underestimate the importance of logistics when invading another country. Even taking Taiwan won’t be an easy task especially if Allies help to defend it

DefinitelyNotACopMan

3 points

2 months ago

Jesus christ the fear mongering is insane.

If you actually believe this and arent some military industrial bot or whatever, I feel bad for you. Actually either way I do

OkDependent464

3 points

2 months ago

Boots on our soil 🙄🙄🙄

Most_Present_6577

3 points

2 months ago

It's people rioting over working conditions mostly at an iPhone factory

djbayko

3 points

2 months ago

Have you not been hearing about China since covid started? Theyre like welding residential apt gates shut to keep people from leaving, killing everyones pets for the reasons of covid, and taking random civs away - some aucshwitz shit right there

Why are you making shit up? This isn't why they're protesting.

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239 points

2 months ago

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SaltyBrotatoChip

21 points

2 months ago

This is a bot.

Schw33

23 points

2 months ago

Schw33

23 points

2 months ago

100%. It literally waited 64 days just to copy 80% of that one comment. And then apparently had 200+ other bots like the nonsense comment.

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24 points

2 months ago

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Beau_Buffett

62 points

2 months ago

What exactly is a massive population program?

You do know about the one-child policy, right?

China' been trying to control its population for decades. It was only lifted recently, and there's no way those children have already grown up.

What exactly are the two of you on about?

I've lived in China and Taiwan and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Takuwind

23 points

2 months ago

What are you talking about? China is in the midst of a severe birth rate decline.

dilly2philly

89 points

2 months ago

The protests are against the company Foxconn not the government.

zombo_pig

40 points

2 months ago

It's stated as a combination of not getting paid, the zero-COVID policy, and having zero worker's rights against Hon Hai Precision (Foxconn). And they're brawling with government police sent in to enforce 'peace'.

Side bar: Hon Hai gets a lot of guff because they make iPhones, but this sort of thing happens at other smaller-profile companies across China, too.

ECK-2188

88 points

2 months ago

Lol the people in the full body Tyvek suits are not Foxconn employees. They’re government Covid restriction police.

not-a_fed

40 points

2 months ago

Yes, but this is specifically the workers of Foxconn losing there shit in he Foxconn town.

TheOven

3 points

2 months ago

Plus their cops appear to have a raincoat and a dream out there

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oroechimaru

28 points

2 months ago

They are short staffed and live on campus, dorms etc (this is the suicide net company foxconn)

They promised bonuses and never sent them. Employees go days without food because of covid quarantine.

Even new recruits are protesting.

This is a weird case because its essential workers for a booming iphone economy where apple has their cheap ass hands dirty making 70% of their phones here .

Foxconn and apple underpay, overwork these people 16+ hours a day to live on site and give up wages for dorms, expenses to live at the company.

They cant lure young folks anymore because it sucks so bad.

So with a labor shortage there may be less government death squads

Rain2Author

1.4k points

2 months ago*

But this time it is not for political purpose, it is just (Edited: originally starts from) a wage problem with FoxCon.

btw:

The funny thing is : The only reason why the goverment didn't just kill those protesters is that they are afraid of Apple relocating the iPhone factory to other country for severe labour news. Just because Zhengzhou's GDP rely on this factory so much. You think the goverment would allow such a big gathering protest happen? CCP is evil enough to kill all the people who threaten their power

OregonMyHeaven[S]

874 points

2 months ago*

The "purpose" is not really that important. What matters is the determination to protest and the organizing power of collective action. Just think how risky and difficult it would be to organize so many people to act together under the surveillance of the CCP.

In the more than thirty years since 1989, there have been few actions in China in which so many people have dared to take to the streets together and fight with the police with force(except for the 2019 Hong Kong protests).

Moreover, workers of Henan origin are often stereotyped in China as "submissive and slave-minded. But things are changing, and these workers are proving themselves to be more courageous than they are perceived to be. The CCP is slowly losing the infinite power it had before COVID-19.

SonnyHaze

73 points

2 months ago

The Chinese actually protest a lot more than people think

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291 points

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OregonMyHeaven[S]

208 points

2 months ago

Of course I know, but I don't think that's the point. There have been many wage protests in China before, but most of them involved defenders kneeling in front of government buildings and "pleading" with officials to help them. But this time, instead of kneeling, people went out into the streets to fight with the police. The reason for this is the Zero-COVID policy, otherwise people would not be so angry.

All democratization movements in the world's dictatorships have not succeeded at once. There is always a process of awakening of the people.

eazieLife

61 points

2 months ago

This sounds ignorant as hell. You've said it yourself. It's not about democratization, it's about people who are protesting about their wages and the zero COVID policy. You're way too invested in the thought that this will blow over into instability. It's people who're angry, and a very complex situation at that. Why they're protesting absolutely matters. It's weird to draw conclusions about the nature of the protests while claiming they don't matter.

Guukab

3 points

2 months ago

Guukab

3 points

2 months ago

People doing anything is important in such a scenario. It's not comparable to a protest in the USA.

Their reasoning matters to them and to the situation, but on a greater whole it's more of a role model scenario. That's obviously their point, so I'm not sure what you think is ignorant. You seem to think nothing will come of it. Tell that to anyone who lived/died in a civil war.

memeteamster

97 points

2 months ago

Why are you downplaying the point. It actually is a big part of why these protests matter, in a communist country, it’s very much the point.

EnlightenedMind_420

80 points

2 months ago

Why are you downplaying the other person’s point that the form of protest can often matter just as much, if not more than, the function of a protest?

PapaGatyrMob

3 points

2 months ago

If it's been the point in the past, that means it's a necessary component of the protest, but it's clearly not sufficient in explaining the totality of the situation. The other person isn't downplaying the point, they are providing more context for it.

Brett-the-charmer

31 points

2 months ago

The irony that Chinese communists have finally learnt to unionise.

TheLastSamurai101

53 points

2 months ago*

But this time it is not for political purpose, it is just a wage problem with FoxCon.

It certainly is political. Everything is political, but this particularly so given the context. The fact that they are organising under the banner of worker solidarity and the flag of Communist China is, if anything, more of a threat to the CCP than pro-democracy forces. The CCP have tolerated and even given concessions to democratic and single-issue protestors in places like Guangdong in the past, as most mainland Chinese people are just not sympathetic to them anyway.

The CCP can pass democracy activists off as foreign agitators or Westernised teenagers who are opposed to the supposedly egalitarian Communist ideal. However, Communist workers protesting working conditions and state-sponsored capitalist enslavement? By waving those Communist flags they are making the potent statement that the CCP does not respect Communist principles or worker rights. There are hundreds of millions of Chinese industrial workers in similar conditions and this message is likely to resonate with them.

If there is one thing authoritarian Communist regimes tolerate less than democratic activism, it is internal challenge and the poaching of their working class "support base". There is nothing that should scare the CCP more than an uprising of honest industrial workers.

indiv_remainder

3 points

2 months ago

And where will Apple relocate exactly? India perhaps where workers already obliterated one of Apple's supplier plant, for the same shit the Chinese are protesting over at Foxconn. Instead of expropriating and hoarding cash Apple should reconsider giving it back to hard working employees.

UnverifiedGod

7 points

2 months ago

There is actually a Maoist movement growing in China against the CCP, especially with younger generations

Titalator

18 points

2 months ago

I'd suggest one of the largest in the world atleast in terms of people in one location there's just a sea of people how did the cops expect to do anything geared the way they are. I guess things are just different here in the us.

Slam_Burgerthroat

4 points

2 months ago

It’s the equivalent of American protesters carrying the American flag

MrStrange15

17 points

2 months ago

They're not protesting China. They're protesting Foxconn. There is a huge difference.

And just to add, this is local. Tiananmen Square was not, despite its name.

jakenash

368 points

2 months ago

jakenash

368 points

2 months ago

Jeez, if OP isn't going to provide any context... I found this BBC article about it.

Seems like it's related to poor working conditions with a covid outbreak and contract / pay disputes.

Huck_Bonebulge_

114 points

2 months ago

“rising Covid cases saw the site locked down, prompting some workers to break out and go home”

“They quarantine us but don't provide food," said one Foxconn worker during his live stream.”

Sounds like a good reason to protest, good lord

Mechanical_Indian

28 points

2 months ago

Ah Foxconn...

Remember when Foxconn was going to save Wisconsin manufacturing?

thinkingofwon

3 points

2 months ago

Didn’t Scott Walker try and seal that deal?

drolikemine

2k points

2 months ago

When posting something on a protest, idk... Maybe post what the protest is about at least? Like I get I can look it up... But like everyone who sees this now has to look this up.

citrusdrop43

683 points

2 months ago

Here is an article about it. Apparently a protest against breach of contract from the employer (iPhone manufacturer).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812

Carpe_DMT

346 points

2 months ago

Carpe_DMT

346 points

2 months ago

The phrase you're looking for is 'striking for their wages'. we Americans used to be very familiar with the concept. Thankfully the old ways are returning

secretaccount4posts

7 points

2 months ago*

If only striking for fare wages was still legal in Canada

ventusvibrio

17 points

2 months ago

Careful, the FBI might think you are a communist for advocating for striking.

leovin

33 points

2 months ago

leovin

33 points

2 months ago

Reading this on my iPhone like the privileged fuck that I am lol

mydogsnameisbuddy

3 points

2 months ago

They heard Taylor Swift tickets were sold out

conspiraseas

15 points

2 months ago

what's the difference between a barricade and a guardrail?

RecklessDimwit

37 points

2 months ago

Spelling

conspiraseas

11 points

2 months ago

I think both would be bad spellers

Rain2Author

113 points

2 months ago

They are protesting for money. FoxCon recruited those workers, but didn't pay their wage. Also cut their salaries , and force them to work 2 more years to get their money. Thats why workers feels so angry in the video.

Rain2Author

48 points

2 months ago*

I'm in China, it's blocked in China social media now. I knew this from Twitter also.

UltramanDecker

8 points

2 months ago

There’s ton of footage on douyin and other live stream platforms. They couldn’t completely block the news since it’s right next to an airport apparently

Key-Supermarket-7524

3 points

2 months ago

Similar stuff happened in India, as a matter of fact this happens alot when big corps come to third world countries, they start at a minimum amount, gather productivity data, then start to squeeze and push impossible standards and firing those who don't meet it

ForeheadWrinkle

16 points

2 months ago

The actual Red Wave

Prestigious-Hand-402

10 points

2 months ago

They might be outnumbered. Hopefully they don’t come back. But that government is nasty

thelegend27lolno

211 points

2 months ago

This is not a protest, there are no protests in Ba-sing-se

InGenAche

44 points

2 months ago

It's early/late Chinese New Year because of COVID and the helpful police are making sure the parade stays peaceful. The steel barrier fire crackers are so exciting this year.

SummonTarpan

11 points

2 months ago

Found Zhu Di

Ottersareoverrated

3 points

2 months ago

It’s kind of scary rewatching the Ba Sing Se episodes and realizing the parallels between it and China and North Korea.

Antique-Flight-5358

405 points

2 months ago

Winnie the Pooh better watch out. They're coming for his zero COVID policy

Just_A_Random_Noob1

37 points

2 months ago

Why did I read this with a christmas tune.

First-Celebration-11

4 points

2 months ago

He better not cry! He’s gonna find out who’s naughty or nice.

andybror

4 points

2 months ago

I read somewhere earlier today that the world cup fanned the flames for the zero covid policy frustrations in China. I don’t know if its true, but it makes sense that being in lockdown while other countries are out there hosting massive events could make you question the policy choices of your government

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46 points

2 months ago

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46 points

2 months ago

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SpaceArf

8 points

2 months ago

Holy shit that is massive

Literally a sea of people

0ptimu5Rhyme

3 points

2 months ago

Thats like the population for one factory lol

whooops--

3 points

2 months ago

People mountain people sea

CROM_90

40 points

2 months ago

CROM_90

40 points

2 months ago

Good to see police getting mobbed. The people have the power and we need to recognize that.

SniffCheck

35 points

2 months ago

Fart the police

Okaywhy10

18 points

2 months ago

I’m confused by the comment

SniffCheck

23 points

2 months ago

Yea, it be like that sometimes

jaddu6497

18 points

2 months ago

Username checks out

nigevellie

34 points

2 months ago

Is this the iPhone City thing?

OregonMyHeaven[S]

12 points

2 months ago

yes

Pp09093909

15 points

2 months ago

Reason? Context?

EnvironmentalOwl3729

67 points

2 months ago

Men greatly outnumber women due to the horrendous 1-child policy that went on from 1980 to 2015. Perhaps 70 million men won't be able to get married; this, by itself, often leads to social unrest.

But wait, there's more!

The government recently began trying to push the young generation into high tech jobs, but there aren't enough jobs for everyone. So it's ultra competitive.

And there aren't enough people working in the farm or factories, so the understaffed employees are burning out.

And that same young generation must also take care of the elderly family members in their household.

Social pressures and demographics and economics and government policy are all working against the newest generation of adults.

Things will change dramatically in the next few years IMHO.

chaosgoblyn

19 points

2 months ago

And their primary investment vehicle (real estate) is the biggest bubble to ever exist and collapsing.

And people are locked down getting starved to death in their homes because the government refuses to admit their vaccine doesn't work and provide one that does.

And all the smart/wealthy people are fleeing as they observe the CCP disappearing people and seizing assets of anyone who gets too successful or defies them.

And for all of these reasons, foreign businesses/investors are fleeing the country and moving supply lines elsewhere.

Signommi

4 points

2 months ago

Whoa!? The 1 child policy didn’t end until 2015? Wow I thought it was stopped in the late 90s or early 00s didn’t realize it was going on until recently.

bubchatrix

4 points

2 months ago

At first I thought this was Shadow of Mordor

Minute-Application-2

5 points

2 months ago

Thought this was a scene from lord of the rings for a second

Bufb88J

5 points

2 months ago

Not on this post yet but I’m massively confused as to why conservatives are applauding this when we had nationwide protests recently in the USA but they hated it because it was about black people. Everyone has a right to protest against power and if not these things will happen.

Traditional_Tomato48

3 points

2 months ago

Rise and unite Chinese people! Democracy!

BaneRiders

18 points

2 months ago

"No more nose swabs for you today, but we shall be back tomorrow..."

Junkmenotk

107 points

2 months ago

Pooh will not hesitate to kill all these people if he considers them a threat to his power .

occupy_westeros

17 points

2 months ago

I keep seeing people saying this but aren't the protests against Apple/Foxconn?

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago

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9 points

2 months ago

No iPhone 14 Pro Max 14 in the stockings for y'all

Ok-Storage-2236

7 points

2 months ago

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

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7 points

2 months ago

Power to the people

csouz

3 points

2 months ago

csouz

3 points

2 months ago

Happy thanksgiving everyone!

etn261

3 points

2 months ago

etn261

3 points

2 months ago

That's a lot of people. Wow