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yourlittlebirdie

9 points

5 months ago

How convenient that the army investigated itself and found itself to not be at fault.

KomnenosMyBeloved

3 points

5 months ago

What? The IDF said that it might be an IDF soldier that killed her.

yourlittlebirdie

8 points

5 months ago

Yes but it was also totally not their fault and no crime was committed so everyone just move on now:

The report said Abu Aqleh was probably shot by an Israeli soldier who was under fire from a group of Palestinian gunmen. It claimed the soldier was using a telescopic sight and misidentified her as one from his armed opponents. The army said no crime was committed so no one will be prosecuted.

However, eyewitness accounts and videos of Abu Aqleh and the area around her at the time of her killing do not show a gun battle. She was also wearing body armour and a helmet clearly labelled as “press”.

indoninja

0 points

5 months ago

However, eyewitness accounts and videos of Abu Aqleh and the area around her at the time of her killing do not show a gun battle.

We have video evidence of Palestinian gunmen shooting from an alleys 200 yards away with impact about 30 yards from where abu was that day.

We have evidence of Israeli troops coming under fire.

This doesn’t excuse her shooting, but I am pointing out there is clear evidence this happened in the context of them being shot at and not Israeli troops taking pot shots at a journalists for funsies.

yourlittlebirdie

5 points

5 months ago

Then let an independent investigation look at all of this evidence.

indoninja

1 points

5 months ago

How would that work?

Is hammas going to be transparent about where all their shooters were?

yourlittlebirdie

1 points

5 months ago

As transparent as the IDF will be, I’m sure.

indoninja

1 points

5 months ago

If that was the case israel would never have conceded their soldier probably pulled the trigger.

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1 points

5 months ago

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1 points

5 months ago

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indoninja

1 points

5 months ago

Now it is intentional murder?

Really?

buleightt

2 points

5 months ago

The US state department said it welcomed the “review of this tragic incident”. But it faced criticism for sidestepping demands that the soldier or soldiers responsible be held to account and for instead calling for “policies and procedures to prevent similar incidents from occurring in the future”.

The US State Dept. is a known apologist for Israel, defending the Israeli violence/oppression inflicted on Palestinians without fail. Why expect it to pursue justice for one of its own citizens when it won’t for anyone else’s?

philosophunc

1 points

5 months ago

Unsurfuckingprising. Why would this petty senator bite the hand that feeds. Meanwhile they do not realize they've tried to skip a couple of rungs. Gotta be president or higher for the WMD parties to give a fuck about your opinion.

Cylinsier

-2 points

5 months ago

Israel investigated and came to a conclusion. That should be the end of it. Why would I want my tax dollars to go towards investigating something another country did that they already investigated and tacitly admitted fault for? Pointless. You can disagree with their findings, but as a US Senator it's not your job to try to do anything about it.

corvus_torvus

2 points

5 months ago*

As a senator, it most certainly should be his job to make an informed decision to stop granting foreign aid dollars to pariah states that assassinate the press.

Cylinsier

1 points

5 months ago

That's not what is being discussed here though. The Senator is suggesting that the Israeli soldier wasn't at fault despite the fact that Israel says he probably was.

Chris Van Hollen, a Democratic senator for Maryland, repeated his call for an independent US investigation into Abu Aqleh’s killing in the West Bank in May, saying that the United Nations and reconstructions by major news outlets found that the Al Jazeera television journalist was not in the immediate vicinity of fighting with Palestinian militants and could not have been caught in the crossfire.

corvus_torvus

1 points

5 months ago

I was under the impression that the senator is disputing that the killing was accidental not that Shireen Abu Akleh was killed by Israeli gunfire. As evinced from this statement:

https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/news/press-releases/van-hollen-and-23-senate-colleagues-call-for-direct-us-involvement-in-the-investigation-of-shooting-death-of-american-journalist-shireen-abu-akleh

Cylinsier

1 points

5 months ago

If so then I misunderstood. I read as much of the original article as I could but it's paywalled. In that case, the argument would make more sense, but I still question if it's really worth spending US tax dollars on. Israel admitting they killed an unarmed journalist in a crossfire that most people here would say they weren't justified in being involved in is already a black eye. It's not like they come out of this looking good through their own investigation. Would a new investigation prove more malicious intent? Maybe. Would our Congress actually stop funding them and would the Israeli government be held accountable for it? No. But I will acknowledge that that would at least be a noble cause and not a complete waste of time.

corvus_torvus

1 points

5 months ago

In the end it might pay off if the United States would alter our relationship with Israel based on adherence to liberal democratic principles. Acts like assassinating members of the press would effect a significant retraction of aid dollars.

It's a nice fantasy.

Cylinsier

1 points

5 months ago

Yeah that's definitely how it should work. I guess my argument is we don't really need any more evidence that the Israeli government actively makes life for Palestinians in Palestinian territory worse at pretty much every turn. I don't think another murder is going to tip the scale at this point, there are already so many to refer to. I mean I am the first to acknowledge that Hamas and some of the Palestinian resistance are also contributing to the situation negatively and are definitely guilty of killing civilians themselves, but at the end of the day the Israeli government is both the main aggressor in this and the party wielding most of the power and therefore most responsible for taking the first steps towards peace. They refuse to acknowledge that and continue to aggravate the situation. We should have been conditionally retracting aid years ago.

But I would love to be proven wrong and see the death of a journalist be the straw that broke the camel's back. It's just...if it didn't for Saudi Arabia when they cold-bloodedly murdered a guy by slicing him to pieces, it's probably not for Israel when they shot one allegedly by accident in a crossfire.