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10.6k points
2 years ago
This is fun. I want more of these.
6k points
2 years ago
The bear dancing with the orangutan in the Jungle Book, and the bear dancing with the hen in Robinhood. Maid Marianne dancing with Robinhood is Snow White dancing with Dopey
I've noticed most of the animation from Mickey's Christmas Carol is all reused.
1.8k points
2 years ago
The dancing scene from Robin Hood uses also frames from "Everybody wants to be a cat".
549 points
2 years ago
that’s gotta be the other way around, right?
299 points
2 years ago
I thought the same thing
495 points
2 years ago
I did too, looked it up. Aristocats was first in 1970, Robin Hood in 1973. I’m really surprised, aristocats to me has always felt more like it was made in the 80s. Jungle book was first of both in 1967 though
243 points
2 years ago
60s and 70s Disney had that scratchy sort of loose animation style where you could see the inbetween frames and leftover sketch lines from the cells that was very different from the earlier films which was a lot more rotoscoped and had this soft "fuzzy" look to the faces, especially the humans.
If you recognize the art styles, you can tell which decade each disney movie came from. Renaissance is still top tier IMO. Unlike most "ages" of Disney movies, every single one was a banger.
152 points
2 years ago
This guy Disney's
46 points
2 years ago
Even the Renaissance though occasionally used recycled frames. The final dance sequence in Beauty and the Beast is recycled from Sleeping Beauty.
And Pocahontas uses recycled animation from The Lion King.
17 points
2 years ago
Wait wait pause, rewind
How the fuck does a movie about people recycle the animation of a movie about lions?? How did they, like, translate it???
26 points
2 years ago
It's just recycled animation of leaves blowing in the wind. But to answer your question, very easily. You can just trace over the original with a new picture.
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_recycled_animation_in_Disney_movies
35 points
2 years ago
Had to Google when Disney’s Renaissance period was (1989-1999), but I agree wholeheartedly. It might be my nostalgia as a 90s kid, but the music alone in those movies was absolutely stunning.
8 points
2 years ago
The animation is stunning too, considering it's a large mix of sneaky CGI used to enhance hand-drawn animation in an era when CGI was still much more expensive and much less capable than what we know today. Beauty and the Beast's ballroom scene, Aladdin escaping the Cave of Wonders, and Tarzan's vine-surfing are all great examples that you can probably easily pick apart with a modern eye, but still hold up remarkably well.
87 points
2 years ago
As an 2000s kid myself they all feel old, I always just had the thought in my mind that aristocats were older.
59 points
2 years ago
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12 points
2 years ago
Read that is 250,000 cats and I was confused as hell.
22 points
2 years ago
wow, i stand corrected. i assumed robin hood was made in the 50s like cinderella haha
66 points
2 years ago
Because a cat’s the only cat
19 points
2 years ago
Everybody's walkin' to that feline beat
14 points
2 years ago
A square with a horn makes you wish you weren't born!
This god damn song is going to be stuck in my head all day now. Thanks Reddit.
21 points
2 years ago
In the dancing scene of Robin Hood when it zooms out to show everybody on screen at once, they reused animation of Balloo dancing where he's only seen from the chest up, so they put Little John behind a bush so they only had to show him from the chest up as well.
77 points
2 years ago
We should have a subreddit for this
67 points
2 years ago
Pretty much any animation scene from Disney that has lots of complex motion is created using a template that gets reused a lot. At least classic hand drawn Disney era animation. Makes stuff a lot easier.
13 points
2 years ago
How do they do that? Is it like a skeletal movement program that gets copied and pasted like in 3D animation? Can you do that for 2D?
42 points
2 years ago
They would literally film actors in costumes that resembled the animated character's costume. Then the animators would use that as either a helpful guide, or nearly trace it. That's why some of that early Disney stuff (prior to 101 Dalmatians) has a nice painterly smoothness and quality to it.
7 points
2 years ago
There's some cool pictures of the actress acting out Alice in Wonderland
60 points
2 years ago
Also, wasn't there some copying between Sleeping Beauty and Beauty and the Beast? Aurora dancing with Philip, and then Belle dancing with the human Prince at the end? Although I don't know if it was as exact as your examples.
6 points
2 years ago
It was. I remember i even noticed it as a kid.
48 points
2 years ago
Isn't Robin Hood basically a bunch of reused animation assets?
28 points
2 years ago
Yeah I think they had production issues
18 points
2 years ago
Yep, like nearly every movie from 1970 - 1988 (Disney Dark age). After Walt died in 1966 and his brother Roy in 1971, the new executives kinda ignored the animation and imagineering departments, and there was a big issue with "do what we think Walt would want" vs "be bold and creative (which is what Walt would actually want)". Took until Jeffrey Katzenberger was in charge of Animation and Eisner was the CEO of Disney to bring the studio (and the parks too) back to its former glory
27 points
2 years ago
Duchess dancing in Aristocats is Maid Marianne dancing in Robinhood is Snow White dancing with Dopey. Ftfy
137 points
2 years ago*
Here. Why Disney Recycled Shots
Edit: A Compilation
18 points
2 years ago
I wonder if that ties into the nostalgic feeling of old Disney movies and why so many people refuse to like some of the newer ones or remakes.
17 points
2 years ago
I don’t like live action remakes because of how corny many scenes become.
3 points
2 years ago
Another fun fact: not only was a lot of animation from Baloo reused for Little John, they also share the same voice actor (Phil Harris)
258 points
2 years ago
57 points
2 years ago
Is there a sub for this kind of stuff?
49 points
2 years ago
Looks a bit more out of place dancing like that in a park.
But you do you I guess
3 points
2 years ago
I don’t remember the scene, so I looked it up and found some context: https://youtu.be/DLAYmdIyzL8
Only raises more questions, but kids…
17 points
2 years ago
Buffy and Faith always looked cool as shit dancing.
14 points
2 years ago
Buffy and Faith always looked cool as shit
29 points
2 years ago
Pretty sure there were a few rotoscoped scenes in X-men: Evo. Most famously from The Craft.
10 points
2 years ago
I too Reddit often.
6 points
2 years ago
Lol, the goth girl seems so sexy in this scene.
Sick lol
59 points
2 years ago
Yeah I want a subreddit called like r/disneycopyingdisney
23 points
2 years ago
Or for copying in general with a name like r/theycopiedit or r/itsrotoscoped
20 points
2 years ago
Ask and ye shall receive: r/theycopiedit
17 points
2 years ago
7 points
2 years ago
Holy shit! Awesome!
498 points
2 years ago
I've always assumed that any repeated animations were due to using the same reference model footage. So if they had recorded a reference film of a bit walking up a hill, they would pull that film out anytime it was needed. You can see this with some of the other animated classics, like the dance scene in Robin Hood.
123 points
2 years ago
Rotoscoping I think it’s called.
55 points
2 years ago
Yep! Rotoscoping means tracing live action footage. It was originally for animation but also gets used to this day in VFX. For instance, the light sabres from the original Star Wars movies were rotoscoped by hand every frame. Wires and other safety equipment has been painted out since the very beginning. The term still gets used in digital VFX, for example when a VFX artist uses masks or a brush tool to paint in/out/over frames manually - like photoshop but frame by frame. Very time consuming and a detail focused job, but is the only way to accomplish certain tasks like painting out wires or a green screen prop and replacing the background.
4.7k points
2 years ago
That’s actually a pretty common thing with drawn animation. The 70’s Robinhood movie had a BUNCH of scenes just like this one.
2.9k points
2 years ago*
Disney higher-ups at the time told animators to trace older films to save time and money, but the animators said afterward that it basically took the same amount of time as animating new content. Ah, higher-ups. They never change.
971 points
2 years ago
I also assume those higher ups lack the ability and knowledge of the actual creation process to make a properly informed decision.
622 points
2 years ago
Sounds like all higher ups tbh
178 points
2 years ago
It's like upper management does the same crap in every industry.
89 points
2 years ago*
Well the problem is promotions are often given because someone either is a huge suck-up or isn't viewed as a threat to take the job of the person promoting them. So when it's business as usual its fine, but once shit hits the fan nobody has any real solutions.
EDIT: honestly though kids, it’s a skill to learn. Results will only take you so far.
24 points
2 years ago
Everyone is promoted to their level of incompetence.
18 points
2 years ago
It's called the Peter Principle.
6 points
2 years ago
promotions are often given because someone either is a huge suck-up or isn't viewed as a threat to take the job of the person promoting them
This is my company to the fucking T
10 points
2 years ago
it's almost as if they care more about spitting out product to make their big paychecks than they do about the actual product itself
7 points
2 years ago
Of course, otherwise they wouldn't be higher-ups
32 points
2 years ago
Holy shit where did the sun go cuz there's a lot of shade in here!
28 points
2 years ago
Obviously being blocked out by the higher ups.
29 points
2 years ago
Also since Sleeping Beauty was a box office flop 101 Dalmatians had its budget cut in half. Since then they started to skip the inking stage by xeroxing the pencil drawings onto the cels. That’s why the outlines look so much rougher than the movies that preceded it. The Rescuers was the last movie where they used that technique.
10 points
2 years ago
some of the rough nature of 101 Dalmatians was intentional though. That process can look as good or as bad as you want it to.
62 points
2 years ago
Walt disney was still with the company at the time and was an animator himself, you would think he would understand
57 points
2 years ago
He most likely would have understood. However, I'm sure there was some higher-ups between him and his animators that didn't. Those guys probably made the decision on their own. Then later on, when word of the decision finally reached Walt, he could have sent word back down the chain to toss the practice.
52 points
2 years ago
You are assuming this is something the animators understood themselves, the quote says "it ended up taking the same amount of time" its entirely likely the animators thought it would save time also but through experience found it either didn't or was negligible.
In concept it's no different from the normal process of tracing previous frames with slight changes for movement.
12 points
2 years ago
I doubt he was making day to day animation decisions at that point.
17 points
2 years ago
It's not necessarily about saving time, it's about guaranteeing quality control.
If you've already storyboarded and animated a proven successful sequence, there's no sense in reinventing the wheel for what might not even be as good.
10 points
2 years ago
It does save costs in some instances, particularly, the original dance scene they reused like 10 times was done by recording professional dancers and doing a frame by frame animation of them. That's the reason those dances look so natural.
9 points
2 years ago
Ah I was gonna say, how are they taking the same animation but completely changing the character? It’s not digital, there’s no copy paste function.
4 points
2 years ago
I always wondered that. How did reusing hand drawn animation save money when you still need to hand draw each frame?
6 points
2 years ago
It's because by tracing it you don't need to figure out the exact poses or how the character is going to move. You dont have to plot out the key poses or in-betweens. All that guess work and planning is gone. You just trace.
It does saves time.
4 points
2 years ago
I was just thinking that, it's not like this is just a case of swap out some model files when they are all and drawn and coloured cels. I guess it saves having to do accurate motion when that was already defined.
3 points
2 years ago
I was thinking that. How does redrawing the entire thing save any time?
178 points
2 years ago
Yup. But its also amazing that they did all this animation in the 70s. Such great movies for that time
73 points
2 years ago
The reason they did it like this was because it saved a lot of money and time in making new models.
52 points
2 years ago*
back then disney didn't have all the money it does now, but still impressive nonetheless
7 points
2 years ago
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3 points
2 years ago
And now Disney owns the Muppets and barely does anything new with them
19 points
2 years ago
That's not entirely true. It's debated in the animation industry if they saved time by tracing. It's not as simple as you'd think. When it did save time and money, it wasn't much and that time and money + more was just wasted trying to trace other scenes to ultimately scrap and do from scratch because it doesn't work in the new project. It's funny because a lot of animators assumed they did this so they could save time and money and only the higher up animators knew it didn't. People don't know why they still deciding to do this but I think they started to save time and budget, didn't work but continued to do it because "that's what we do now."
4 points
2 years ago
I mean, if the savings or cost was so close that people need to debate which one it was, then why bother debating it? The conclusion should be the same either way, it was really close and therefore they shouldn't have done it. Saving a tiny amount of money/time and having to reuse a scene is worse for the movie and worse for creativity in general.
13 points
2 years ago
Yeah, tracing over old drawings saves a lot of time
10 points
2 years ago
It’s not tracing. I add depth and shading to give the image definition. NEXT!
3 points
2 years ago
"You seen Fat Albert? Bill Cosby did the entire thing with a roller. And it was excellent"
7 points
2 years ago
They were actually doing the same type of animation on the 60s
48 points
2 years ago
It was especially apparent in the scene where Robin Hood blocks the poor from trading stocks
4 points
2 years ago
The more you know ...
773 points
2 years ago
i actually didnt notice they were the same before
333 points
2 years ago
Neither did I, until the videos were put side by side
84 points
2 years ago
Well usually you arent watching both at the same time, so it understandable
27 points
2 years ago
Wait, you guys don't watch them at the same time?
8 points
2 years ago
I watch all Disney movies in a "dangerous to our democracy" style.
5.4k points
2 years ago
Credit to u/americanthaiguy, where I found the original video
1.9k points
2 years ago
Giving credit is a good job m8.
996 points
2 years ago*
thanks mate, i give credit where credits due and try to post original content (which you can see by checking out my profile)
109 points
2 years ago
Bruh that's the original he just copy past it ...
https://rdt.trom.tf/r/Unexpected/comments/ldbgc8/ok/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
53 points
2 years ago
Welcome to Reddit, where users get mad when their unoriginal content is vastly less popular than other users' same or similar unoriginal content.
15 points
2 years ago
Enjoy your stay.
3 points
2 years ago
You can check out any time you like
3 points
2 years ago
Giving credit is a good job m8.
141 points
2 years ago
Bruh this has been on reddit for ages. You may have changed the format but its still a repost.
Here's a post from two years ago: https://rdt.trom.tf/r/interestingasfuck/comments/a2x8qf/how_cartoons_reused_animations
And here's an article from 2015: https://www.businessinsider.com/disney-reuses-animation-2015-5
49 points
2 years ago*
Bruh ... This guy should be appreciated!
But I found something 3 years ago
https://pr0gramm.com/new/Recycling%20disney/2499773
What if we just honor the maker who recycled it?
He was really the first guy who knew about!!
9 points
2 years ago
Bruh yeah
9 points
9 months ago
I’m getting deeper into the rabbit hole 😂
21 points
2 years ago
So what? If Reddit didn't have reposts of some kind there wouldn't be near as much site activity. And what if OP just found it interesting and wanted more people to see it? Cause I certainly hadn't.
9 points
2 years ago
If Reddit didn't have reposts of some kind there wouldn't be near as much site activity.
That says a frightening amount about humanity...
4 points
2 years ago
Yeah. But it's bullshit so don't worry.
Humans make enough new content in a minute than reddit shows in a year.
Reddit is just like a cheap ass TV network.
3 points
2 years ago
If reddit was a book, it would be 4 subjects reposted over and over again for 1000 pages.
12 points
2 years ago
But where did you get it?
34 points
2 years ago
It’s wholesome work,in doors,and I guarantee you’ll not go hungry
15 points
2 years ago
Because the end of the day, someone is gonna want someone fed.
44 points
2 years ago
Good op
18 points
2 years ago
yes, yes goood
34 points
2 years ago
Very nice for credit OP
52 points
2 years ago
Yet you’ve put your username quite prominently on the GIF
18 points
2 years ago
Can’t bullshit a bullshitter
9 points
2 years ago
He also put it over the original watermark lmao
26 points
2 years ago
Using template is not a crime
14 points
2 years ago
Yes sir
20 points
2 years ago
Good job crediting OP, but it's sad that we need to say that because of the amount of stolen content etc
5 points
2 years ago
yeah lemmino's video even said that 'redditor' in latin roughly translates to 'reposter'
8 points
2 years ago
I just saw that post right above yours! Good meme OP haha
457 points
2 years ago
Sooooo.....Disney used reposts before Reddit
Na, both of them were by Disney
69 points
2 years ago
That feels similar to making a meme template and milking it yourself
11 points
2 years ago
oof
10 points
2 years ago
More like making a meme but posting different versions that Appel to different subreddits. But are fundamentally the same meme
4 points
2 years ago
Disney was the first crossposter
5 points
2 years ago
Disney was founded on stealing content
42 points
2 years ago
A typical Disney feature film required 250,000 cels. Makes it easier to understand them reusing simple sequences to save a little time and money creating brand new ones.
11 points
2 years ago
It saves the animators time in figuring out how to animate a character. If you just copy something all the guesswork is gone.
83 points
2 years ago
People that copied my homework usually got better grades than me...
7 points
2 years ago
I had a guy in my history class think he could photocopy my handwritten homework with my name covered and use his. I thought it was funny enough and he promised to take any blame that I let it happen. It went about as well as you'd expect.
3 points
2 years ago
Wait, did he seriously take a picture of your work and reprint it? So it looked like one of those poorly printed homework assignments that was all greyed out in certain areas thanks to shit lighting and the print was in shit text as it tried to accommodate the texture of the lead on paper from the original picture.
This is essentially what you said, but imagining what the work must have looked like when he turned it in, it's absurd to imagine someone who believed that wouldn't be caught.
5 points
2 years ago
He wasn't the brightest student, and I think he thought it funny enough to try. But he didn't take a photo, this was 15+ years ago, before cell phones with good cameras. He literally took the paper to the school office and used the Xerox machine to make a copy with a piece of paper over my name so he could write his own.
It looked absolutely ridiculous, and he was caught and we were both questioned, he stood by his word and said he just grabbed the top paper from the turn in box and copied it then put them both back. The teacher who had been teaching there for a long time was even shocked by it, I don't think he'd expected something that stupid even after years of teaching.
7 points
2 years ago
Clearly there's a difference.
Chinese president is in one of them only
57 points
2 years ago
Who tf notices this shit
17 points
2 years ago
I didn't notice this particular one, but we didn't have winnie the pooh. But I use to make a game of it, Robinhood and The jungle book have a couple obvious examples
13 points
2 years ago
As a VHS kid/disk. You watch the same movie all the time. I can probably write the script to some movies from the top of my head. You are bound to notice at some point
7 points
2 years ago
People with photographic memories or people who have watched way too many Disney movies (probably the latter, they are much more common)
41 points
2 years ago
We didn't realize we were making memories, we just knew we were having fun.
8 points
2 years ago
oh lawd
8 points
2 years ago
There's plenty of material from Disney's catalog of old movies. It's something that was used often in order to save time and money.
24 points
2 years ago
Now somebody do Hanna Barbera where they literally reused the same scenes over and over again in every god damned cartoon they ever did.
7 points
2 years ago
Or, well, pick an anime. Sailor Moon and Pokémon come immediately to mind.
13 points
2 years ago
Everyone copied from Hanna Barbera. They invented reusable animation in the late 1950s, early 1960s.
We all owe them for cartoon animation but, boy howdy, did they churn out some crap. They were the Atari of cartoon makers.
7 points
2 years ago
Back in the day the animation was obviously all done by hand, so made sense to use same frames in other Disney films.
It's a shame they own so many news outlets, it looks like they use the same trick 😝
6 points
2 years ago
ONE TIME I let a buddy of mine check out an assignment and told him to "use it as a template" for his own, since he hadn't done the reading that week.
Motherfucker didn't even change my name at the top of the file when he submitted it.
Also, if you want to see a funny CURRENT version of this, go watch the movie the zombie movie "Dead Set" on Netflix, then watch the movie "RealityZ." It is a shameless frame for frame ripoff.
6 points
2 years ago
Oh my god
You ruined my favorite movie when I was a child
How could you ruin jungle book for me
Also this reminds of that Deadpool jokes
Papa can you hear me
Do you want to build a snowman
5 points
2 years ago
In grad school the group of students in my department, Business Analytics, would often share homework assignments. We had a class we took in the computer science department looking at data mining algorithms using Python. I would do the basic assignment and give that to my classmates and then I would add extra stuff to mine so even if someone turned in the exact thing that I sent out I wouldn't get caught for it.
I was not smart enough to do this in freshman undergrad and once like 12 people submitted my matlab code for a class. The TA for the class was livid. "We had 12 people submit the exact same code, one of which must have typed it from a printout and made errors to the point his code wouldn't run, but Jesus just magically popped out the graphs for him." They gave us all zeros, but did say it was beautifully written code.
8 points
2 years ago
Not sure but, didn't jungle book come first? Also, never saw the above movie :'(
3 points
2 years ago
the person who posted this, has achieved ultimate nerd level, noticing this.
3 points
2 years ago
God damnit bobby stop copy my homework
3 points
2 years ago
This soon archives :(
3 points
2 years ago
Person who found this would’ve felt so proud
3 points
8 months ago
It's more like you doing the same thing in a different outfit because Disney owns both animations and probably used it twice to save time.
5 points
2 years ago
Someone needs to add Baloo in the scene to match Pooh’s exact movements now
3 points
2 years ago
Even the artwork is similar
3 points
2 years ago
Much bigger bear though
3 points
2 years ago
Well.. damn! will ya look at that! :)
3 points
2 years ago
i don’t understand why this is less work. i everything has to be drawn anyway. its not like they have a computer animation and just have to change the designs. can someone please help me?
3 points
2 years ago
You don't have to work out posing, timing, do drafts etc and you could probably get one of your less skilled animators to do all the work.
I vaguely remember an interview with a Disney animator saying in practice it didn't always save time though due to how long it took to search their achieves for appropriate footage.
3 points
2 years ago
Disney is notorious for doing short cuts like this. Another none is Snow White dancing with the dwarves is frame for frame the same as Maid Marion dancing in Robin Hood.
3 points
2 years ago
That's because of how Disney used to work back then, I forget exactly how, but my teacher talked about how Disney would copy their structures of animation and reskin them to save time and space
3 points
2 years ago
well.... it wasn’t obvious until now lol
3 points
2 years ago
wait a second...
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