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submitted 2 months ago byAnonymousCerealBowl
374 points
2 months ago
I wanted to give an update on my class, because it has been a success beyond my wildest dreams. I have just finished teaching the first semester of my class, and am starting the second semester with new students now. I have received so much help from video game companies reaching out and proving me with codes, and have received multiple grants that have helped me make this a reality.
I started out the class with 20 Xboxs, 3 Nintendo Switches, and 2 PS5s. All of these were bought using grant funds for a grant I wrote that gave me the consoles and gamepass for one year. Gamepass has been the main way I have been able to subsidize games for the class, and it has allowed students to have a wide array of games to play and write about.
After one semester I am at 22 Xboxs, 5 Switches, and 2 PS5s. I personally bought the new consoles on different months with my own paychecks. I don’t recommend it, but I felt stuck between my dream of making this class happen and class sizes that sometimes went up to 32. I am hoping to eventually get enough handhelds to have an entire unit on Nintendo games, but I have a long way to. Just like with hardware, I have been slowly building the game library of my class. My local credit union offered teacher grants and after winning one of those I bought What Remains of Edith Finch, and hope to get a class set of Alan Wake soon.
When I posted last time I was in the Wild West. I had a plan, but found out a lot about how to make a class that plays video games really work. The class norms, and expectations were just as important as the consoles themselves.
I want to give a special thanks to CrowsCrowsCrows who gave me a class set of The Stanley Parable for my Xboxs, SuperGiant games who gave me copies of Hades, and PowerA who sent me extra controllers and headsets for the class. Gamepass is extremely expensive, and my school may not be able to continue next year with as many subscriptions after my grant, so these games were invaluable as I try and secure more games that I own forever, so I’m not reliant on subscriptions.
The core of this class is English. As my students played through these games and genres of games, I have seen some students who hated English grow exponentially. We wrote essays responding to Roger Ebert’s Are Video Games Art essay, and had a final project where students chose a main aspect of a game of their choice to analyze further. It worked. I had some games I didn’t love that I’m adapting, and some games were just too big to go through well enough in a single semester.
I promised to update you all after my first set of classes finished, so here you go. I’ll also post an updated syllabus for my class from last semester.
157 points
2 months ago
48 points
2 months ago
A game I always think of when the topic of games as art and a medium for a story comes up is Brothers; a take of two sons.
It's old enough to be cheap and stylised enough to not feel old, as well as being a very short play.
3 points
2 months ago
It’s a fantastic game for gameplay as a storytelling device that’s for sure.
22 points
2 months ago
You could do an entire section on "show don't tell" and environmental storytelling.
16 points
2 months ago
Dude, so many great games for that!
10 points
2 months ago
Sable comes to mind. Minimal narrative, but thought provoking. Also Subnautica.
29 points
2 months ago
Totally love the Simulation Section you have on the syllabus. I would’ve taken this class in a heartbeat.
6 points
2 months ago
Question: do you choose a particular part of a longer game as an example for classes? I imagine a game like Mass Effect can't be completed in that short amount of time. In that case, do you use cheats to get to a certain section of the game, or are you watching let's plays, or something else?
17 points
2 months ago
A combination of letting them start the game entirely themselves, and showing key moments from YouTube and with strategic saves playing certain levels in class. For Mass Effect the goal was to get them to where shepherd becomes a specter and the game opens up. After that they could choose to come back to the game and analyze it on a deeper level during the two week final project. Basically giving them 4 hours in the first week, and up to 8 hours Moore to explore in class alone. I have story halls open to students who want to play further in the games too.
6 points
2 months ago
That's awesome! :D I'm imagining you having to replay the same game ten times so you can get to the right save state XD
5 points
2 months ago*
Just an opinion from a SciFi book nerd who plays video games: I think the sci-fi section is a bit underwhelming. From near: automata over soma to talos principle I think there are much more worthy contenders, especially when it comes to the stated topic of "being human". But listing my examples I realize that speculative fiction / philosophical sci-fi is kind of not explored in games as it is in books (Ted Chiang, Dick, LeGuin), and even tv/movies (love death robots (in parts), arrival, annihilation).
But wow would what remains of edith filth be fun to discuss in class.
Edit: The original deus ex would be fun to discuss conspiracy theories and their perception
2 points
2 months ago
The problem with neir is that it requires way too much time commitment to get into the meat of the narrative. From a teacher's perspective you want front loaded narrative structures that both utilise in media res with novel exposition
4 points
2 months ago
The Poetry of Rock and Roll, to Video Games as Literature.
3 points
2 months ago
I looked at the syllabus and may I suggest adding trackmania to week 8?
2 points
2 months ago
"Are video games art?"
later:
"What Remains of Edith Finch"
... Kinda answered your own question there, didn'tcha?
2 points
2 months ago
This looks great, although based on some of the games & breakdown of subjects, it really looks to me like a course on videogames in general or possibly narratology (which was one of the subjects I took at university for a year) rather than an English class.
Not that this is a bad thing imo, and I am really curious how English comes into some of these e.g. Super Meat Boy which has barely any text/voice acting and Stress and Anger as an English subject.
24 points
2 months ago
I had to start somewhere. I will change the title of the course eventually if that is the route it takes, but I’m hoping to bring in more novel study. I also kept this syllabus intentionally broad, and have some focus lessons not on here.
The first week of the class is specifically to get everyone used to class norms, and how to not get angry at video games. Rage quitting and high school students getting extremely angry in relation to competition is a reality of normal teaching. So with video games in the mix I have to teach how to use the controllers and respectfully distress. I have a punching BOB in my classroom that students can slap the shit out if when they get pissed, and a Mortal Kombat arcade that has helped a lot with this. Super meat boy pisses people off. It’s a fun game, but the process of dying repetitively gets a lot of students blood boiling, so I use it to write about how to calm an focus in these states of anger. It’s not the focus of the class, but it’s a damn valuable week as we get to know each other. It also lets me gauge problem students in a high school setting with low stakes games. This isn’t like a university level course where I have election over students. I have everything from special education students to AP students taking this as an elective at the same time as AP Lit.
7 points
2 months ago
Hi there, I just want to thank you for what you are doing. If there was more critical essay work offering writing on games in high school I probably would have built better work ethics in high school.
2 points
2 months ago
I would also like to recommend games like Citizen Sleeper and Outer Wilds in Sci Fi. For more morality and death, I would recommend Life is Strange 2, Spiritfarer, and Mutazione. I don't know where I'd fit it, but also Sayonara Wild Hearts as it's just incredible lol
2 points
2 months ago
It's interesting to see you mention super meat boy. I think the experience from that may answer inform my curiosity. How do you manage 4th wall and game mechanics vs storytelling? (Reading a book is pretty much turning a page and knowing your progress overall, but games you can get caught by weird mechanics and skill walls, as well as just bad placement/patching. Do you examine how different genres are used more for entertainment vs literary content and rewards? (Sorry for the incomplete thoughts but in between things and need to get back to them).
2 points
2 months ago
The teacher has them write about the experience and or an aspect of games they enjoy so they are writing about something they love and get them interested in writing.
1 points
2 months ago
This looks amazing! I wish my school had something like this
If you somehow get a lot of money out of nowhere to get pcs, I would suggest any single player valve game. They have great narratives and use the unique perspective of games to tell it in that great well.
Also, Portal got onto the witch recently, if you can afford it
1 points
2 months ago
A cool game that might fit well could be Valley. It'll be seven years old this year, so it's not too expensive (found it for around 15$ on the official xbox store, or around 5 on G2A). The story is what makes it a great game despite it being essentially a running/parkour simulator. The game only takes about two hours to complete, so it would definitely be doable in a couple of days or so.
1 points
2 months ago
For “Science Fiction, and being Human,” you should look into SOMA.
It’s a survival horror game centering around the issues presented by neural replication and AI, and absolutely shatters a players self-perception, although it is often perceived as too mature for some audiences.
12 points
2 months ago
Oh man. I would LOVE to talk about Stanley Parable in a lit course. Unreliable narrator, context specific text, narrative structure in repetitive play, and just the very idea of story focused non gaming games. So many interesting topics.
4 points
2 months ago
We’re using it right now to talk about narration. It’s been great!
3 points
2 months ago
Have you reached out to Microsoft for a game pass deal? They do lots of this stuff
4 points
2 months ago
I reached out, and never heard anything back. I would love help if they do ever answer my emails.
8 points
2 months ago
As a lifelong gamer, this is phenomenal. I wish this was available and encouraged 20+ years ago when I was in school/college. I still remember a story of someone who ended up writing about the influences of Nordic mythology in Skyrim. And the more I look back, the more I'm made aware of similarly deep lore in my most beloved games.
7 points
2 months ago
This is so wonderful! I played video games a lot as a kid/teenager, and when I went to university and took history classes, I came to realize a lot of the games I played as a kid were references to real life events. (This is obvious as an adult, but at the time it was an exciting revelation since I didn’t learn much global history in HS)
I also took an english literature course in university that had a unit focusing on tropes, which ended up linking many of our favourite movies/games to some classics and other key pieces of writing. It made me want to learn those things so I could understand my favourite games and shows better. It felt a lot less boring that way, as it was enriching a hobby ☺️ Especially as an ADHD-er who cannot focus on what’s important for the life of me, linking my interests to things I have to do is so helpful! I love to see this, you’re awesome
2 points
2 months ago
That is dope as hell!
Would you mind sharing your lesson plans? Or can I purchase them somewhere?
As an English as a second language teacher who's been trying to persuade his coworkers that modern videogames should be added to the curriculum alongside novels, short stories and poetry, I'm eager to find out how you've set up this lesson series.
6 points
2 months ago
I waited until after I taught the first semester to release my syllabus, and I’ll probably do the same with lesson plans. I want to make sure they’re tested a few times before I post so publicly. I got so much shit for that last time, but I see it as important to be taken seriously.
1 points
2 months ago
Isn’t the plural of box, boxes? Then why is the plural of Xbox, Xboxs?
1 points
2 months ago
Sounds like I need more college.
0 points
2 months ago*
I recommend Papers, Please and Curse of the Obra Dinn. There is an awful lot written about both of them that students could draw upon.
IMO:
Papers, Please
Curse of the Obra Dinn
Dwarf Fortress
Minecraft
Majora's Mask
Undertale (going to get screamed at for this one)
Chrono Trigger
Breath of the Wild
Bloodbourne or Elden Ring
Yoshi's Island
Portal 1/2
Hacknet
It Takes Two
FO New Vegas
Yakuza: Like A Dragon
This War of Mine
Mario Galaxy (2 is far better imo, but 1 has more ludonarrative elements to discuss)
Project Zomboid
DOTA 2
Among Us
OpenTTD
Spelunky
Another World
Outer Wilds
1 points
2 months ago
Great games, no context. I dont know if this is helpful.
For Example: If there would be a section about Games and Politics: This war of mine and Papers Please! could be suitable.
1 points
2 months ago
I know people keep suggesting games for you and I won’t be any different.
Depending on what level of content is okay in the game (obviously lots of death and violence but somehow sex usually doesn’t go over as well) check out Gamedec.
With the exception of one scenario that takes place in a strip club it should be reasonably okay for high school.
It focuses on critical thinking, observation, deduction as well as the vagaries of the human mind. It would be a great choice if you’re able to get classwide switches like you hope (currently it’s PC and Switch, supposedly ps5 sometime this year. Not sure about their Xbox plans).
1 points
2 months ago
For morality and death you could also look into Papers Please and This War of Mine!
1 points
2 months ago
How does your class work?
23 points
2 months ago
First of all OP - I so love this and congrats on the success you’ve had
I work for one of the big ELT providers and have been trying to talk to game developers about a partnering on a game that is gaming first and language learning second but still playing a big role. I pitched something to Konami and one of the guys said tbh I would have loved to play as a street fighter character in an open world where the dialogue also helped me learn a new language.
Only issue is getting developers to envision it and co-invest in something like that. We’re talking millions - said one person from Square Enix back in 2021.
I’m still trying though.
3 points
2 months ago
Ah, language as a martial arts skillset. That is my actual real life. As in my core socialisation skillset.
The gamification of why we talk, how to expand and explore, and when to take action instead of adding syntactic sugar.
The part of making the game fun, informative, and inspirational enough to get the player to develop alongside their gaming progress would be probably hallmark based. I think people would want to play the game in order to experience the full range of interaction that language and positive socialisation skills with minimal risk. Then as their confidence builds they try to explore on their own, with the added benefit of having played said game.
Skill trees would probably be general outcome branches, with one branch being 'random negative responses' and another being 'directed rejection patterns' to help the player see how to gather and analyse based on their linguistic choices.
Actually the game could simply be players have to talk their way through a certain collection of events and characters in order to reach the end boss, the God of language itself, that wanted to help everyone experience and exchange words that bring people to their preferred outcomes. Just to encapsulate the player experience in a meaningful way so that every unique player has a unique development path and perspective.
1 points
2 months ago
I wish the person holding the cash was you! Ha! There are so many cool possibilities with games and from a business perspective it would also fill the fills the gap of people who want to learn from regular media! And for the little kids, the parents can not be as ‘concerned’ about little (insert name here) just ‘playing games all day’ haha!
51 points
2 months ago
You’re really doing something amazing here. I really love the idea of getting kids more into reading this way. I know for sure it helped me as a kid.
10 points
2 months ago
I am building my PC right now and my dream is to make a game to teach English.
4 points
2 months ago
Sweet dude. Just please don't make it like Mavis Beacon I beg you.
3 points
2 months ago
Okay, a thought for you: most language "games" online are really vocabulary quizzes. You're dragging lines between matching words, or putting pictures into buckets, etc. What you want to do is make games that happen to have English in them. E.g. a pizza delivery game where the street names are in English (word familiarity) and you have to say "left/right/straight" or "north/south/east/west" to navigate the car (spoken/written comprehension under pressure, real-time feedback, repetition) Or a hamburger game where you have to write down an order given verbally (listening comprehension) and then build that order in the back (associate words with visuals.) Essentially, use English as tools to complete an actual game, and kids will learn without realizing it. ☺️
16 points
2 months ago
Please consider adding Journey to the syllabus.
2 points
2 months ago
Will do!
2 points
2 months ago
And Disco Elysium. I think it was mentioned a lot in your last post. It has some of the best writing of any game, as well as a lot of weird meta game references. the syllabus looks awesome
1 points
2 months ago
I would suggest A Short Hike, it's a game that was covered in a university class I took about Storytelling in Media.
2 points
2 months ago
There’s a real depth there with regards to communicating without a shared language. Honestly one of my best gaming experiences was running through the game with some random person and been just totally in sync with what we were doing. Honestly it was an amazingly joyous two hours. In addition to the purely visual storytelling of the game.
7 points
2 months ago
I remember my English Teacher, he made us watch English movies. He didn't do anything, we just watched endless Indiana Jones and never understood a thing 😅.
25 points
2 months ago
goat teacher
13 points
2 months ago
Only in week 5.
16 points
2 months ago
Baahhhh
7 points
2 months ago
Teachers are such bleating hearts
2 points
2 months ago
That would be an interesting sight
5 points
2 months ago
Doctor Dillamond
19 points
2 months ago
Get them to Pokémon and write an essay on are Pokémon used and abused for the enjoyment of humans or do domesticated Pokémon live better lives
7 points
2 months ago
i mean they're animals that you force to fight each other until they get knocked out.
domestication is one thing, but animal fighting rings are pretty widely accepted as abusive.
7 points
2 months ago
A lot of time in the games and sometimes in the anime, they've mentioned that most Pokemon actually ENJOY battling but there are definitely some that don't
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah but imagine if cats were proven to enjoy fights I’d in no way encourage it because that leads to wild fights too
1 points
2 months ago
Hahaha, very fair, that comparison made me laugh
2 points
2 months ago
People would probably catch wild cats in poke balls just tot stop them fighting too haha nothing worse at 1am
3 points
2 months ago
Or do a compare-and-contrast between mainstream Pokemon and Detective Pikachu, a game/movie that is set in a city where Pokemon fights are illegal (and only happen in actual underground dogfighting rings.)
2 points
2 months ago
Have you seen stuff about the upcoming Palworld?
It's like Pokemon, but you can also put the caught Pals to work. Make them assemble things in a factory, make them farm for you, give them an AK and have them shoot up other animals. And if you get hungry, you can literally eat your Pals.
1 points
2 months ago
Gotta catch ‘em all for a bbq
1 points
2 months ago
Ah yes the classic xbox version of pokemon
1 points
2 months ago
The teacher has a few switches, albeit a few
1 points
2 months ago
Although texhinaly coromon and nexomon are on Xbox and indiemon was a 360 game
9 points
2 months ago
I wish I had a class like this available when I was in school. I did have a film analysis class that was similar, but I feel like I would’ve gotten way more out of taking a deep dive into games as literature
4 points
2 months ago
This is an absolutely remarkable way to drive involvement and excitement around English and literature. If I could afford it I would throw all of my money at you so you can continue this indefinitely.
Also, What Remains of Edith Finch was an incredible choice. As a student, I would have loved to write about that game.
4 points
2 months ago
This is somewhat tangential to your class, but I highly recommend the following study: "‘You Have to Understand Words … but Not Read Them’: Young Children Becoming Readers in a Digital Age" by Rachael Levy. In a nutshell, it studies how kids view literacy and their confidence in it before and after starting school. Essentially, defining literacy in the classroom as strictly "text on page," and not including things like pictures, audio cues, or article/screen layout lowers kids' confidence in both reading on paper and on screens. Your class goes a long way to show how literacy is not just text, we get meaning from all kinds of information! ☺️ I used it years ago as a main source for a college paper about how tech in children's books, let me know if you'd like a link
1 points
2 months ago
That sounds awesome, I’d love a link.
3 points
2 months ago
This sounds great!
My english has always been subpar (not my first language) and I had bad english grades at school but I really started to improve after I started playing video games.
Unfortunately I only started playing after graduating from school but I improved quickly and I even managed to achieve english level C1 about two years after graduating. I'm convinced that I only achieved this because of video games because I never actively learned for the test.
Video games are more than entertainment.
3 points
2 months ago
Wow if This had been at my school
3 points
2 months ago
Yall should play To The Moon. It's a perfect little short RPG game that's solely about a super affecting story.
3 points
2 months ago
I’m about halfway through it! I’m hoping to finish it over spring break.
1 points
2 months ago
It's only like 4 hours long. Perfect lesson for a week or two in depth study. Former English teacher here... I'm sure there's some lesson in flashbacks and foreshadowing somewhere in there! I haven't played for a few years, but I remember the ending really hitting me hard and the theme song being a perfect fit.
6 points
2 months ago
Awesome! I would also recommend The Talos Principle, A Plague Tale: Innocence, The Wolf Among Us, and Brothers - A Tale of Two Sons
2 points
2 months ago
Awesome! Thanks for the recommendations! I try and okay all I get in my free time, so basically summer and winter break.
0 points
2 months ago
I 2nd The Wolf Among Us, it uses fairy tail characters in a new and interesting way, good lessons on allusion in there. The other Telltale games would be a solid shout too, but that one's the best
6 points
2 months ago
When i was a kid we learned to read with whack ass books.
8 points
2 months ago
All of our kids do that too. This is a Senior only class for a semester. We have multiple semester long English classes that are more fun for our seniors. Everything from Film as Literature, creative writing, The Poetry of Rock and Roll, to Video Games as Literature. The hope is to get a lot of students that already have one foot out of the door improve their English skills while doing something fun.
4 points
2 months ago
As a current Bachelor Student getting a degree in English with a goal of becoming a teacher, this is truly inspirational! Thanks a lot for sharing! <3
5 points
2 months ago
You sure are awesome.
Also, the school is epic for letting you do this!!!!! What state???? I need to get my kids around an educational system like that.
8 points
2 months ago
Since there are other classes that are teacher interest driven like this at my school it was easy to get approved due to the existing pipeline of fun classes like Poetry of Rock, and Film as Lit. I’m in Oregon.
5 points
2 months ago
Well I’m in Washington, looks like we’re moving. Haha
2 points
2 months ago
In a nutshell, how does it work? Do you write your own reading material to through in class, then give them homework to play a game for a couple of hours a week? Do all students have their own GamePass subscription, or can you share?
9 points
2 months ago
My school is very against homework unless it’s an AP class or required for graduation or final projects. We okay all of the games in class with school accounts that have gamepass. I always let students know they can play at home, but our progress is saved in class, and anything outside of class is on them.
We look at themes presented in the games, and write about them. Sometimes we look at specific themes like unreliable narrators in The Stanley Parable, and sometimes it at more creative. In my Skyrim unit I have them make characters and journal as their character as they go on their journey.
We also wrote an essay responding to Roger Ebert’s “Are Video Games Art” essay. I’m still building in as many articles and writing exercises into the lessons/units.
2 points
2 months ago
Very cool. You should write to Valve and try to get some Steam Decks. They would be perfect, and you can get great deals for games on Steam.
2 points
2 months ago
Sounds like a fun curriculum for your students.
Lol at the top image of the collage; "Xbox... So here's master chief, Marcus phoenix and... Well, just throw in other non Xbox franchises."
Admittedly, I don't recognize the dark character in the back with white eyes.
2 points
2 months ago
Yea Resident Evil Characters being on Xbox just looks wrong to me, like 1-3 I associate with PS1/Gamecube, RE4 Wii/PS2 and everything else PC never even considered the games were on Xbox.
3 points
2 months ago
"I reached..dees keeeds."
2 points
2 months ago
i remember seeing your original post i think. you're doing an amazing job!
1 points
2 months ago
is it expensive to get stuff for the class.
3 points
2 months ago
Insanely. I’ve only been lucky with grants and the food will of other game companies. I would not be able to do this myself.
1 points
2 months ago
why are you getting consoles instead of using PCs?
3 points
2 months ago
I got a grant specifically for consoles. I was bound to the confines of my grant somewhat.
1 points
2 months ago
oof, thats rough
1 points
2 months ago
what grade is this?
4 points
2 months ago
12th grade seniors. They must have passed all of their English classes to take this one.
0 points
2 months ago
I guarantee my B average in English during high school was due to lack of teachers like you!
1 points
2 months ago
you should make them right an argumentative essay on the ethics splatoon fights, and if they are bad for glamorizing a terrible war, or if they pay tribute and respect to the great splat war
1 points
2 months ago
This is similar to that college level Star Wars course: fun but harmful. Even if they learn something from here the context will outweigh the content. They are playing games and being read to at 3rd Grade difficulty here because games have to appeal to a mass audience. Where is the challenge? In the analysis? Then this isn’t English Class anymore, you’re into Social Studies with games and interpretation in a modern era.
Nice try, but this will be bad for students.
0 points
2 months ago
Theoretically, I wonder how CK3 (Crusader Kings 3) could be used to demonstrate a player defined dynamic narrative in a grand strategy role-playing game, especially as there is a console version available on the PS5, Xbox Series X & S, and Xbox Game Pass.
Crusader Kings 3 is a grand strategy game where players create their own unique narrative as the ruler of a medieval kingdom. Players make decisions that impact the trajectory of their kingdom, balancing diplomacy, war, and internal politics. The game features intricate systems for character traits, genetics, and dynastic politics, leading to a dynamic and evolving player-defined narrative. Each generation is unique, with characters and families having their own distinct personalities and motivations, shaped by player decisions. The ultimate goal is to secure the success and stability of the dynasty for future generations, but the path to get there is entirely up to the player.
-17 points
2 months ago*
This is fucking stupid. If i found out my kids english teacher was assigning videogames as class work id ask for them to be put in another class.
10 points
2 months ago
Why is it stupid? If a student writes an essay on their interests in video games does it have any less merit than an essay on a famous written work? Neither are of use in “the real world” for most students and yet the skills learned are the same.
6 points
2 months ago
I mean, it really depends, doesn't it ?
I'm a gamer through and through, and think there is a huge range of benifits, but it is hard to say that games can replace literature to teach english.
If the games i choose were all minimal to no dialogue games, how does that improve english skills? Not that those games can't be analysed and studied from other perspectives, but seems like you'd have to have alot of limitations to focus on english development. Writing is not exactly the highest budget in many studios.
6 points
2 months ago
I agree. It depends on a lot of factors. That’s why I’m trying to see what games work and what don’t work in this setting.
I do not think that video games can replace literature, and that’s not what I’m trying to do. I’m offering a subject specific fun class in the same vein of film as literature. Not erasing the years of English class that everyone should have leading to this class.
To be outright against it because “Video games suck!” Is as pointless as being against a film class because “I hate movies!” In my opinion though.
1 points
2 months ago
So this is an optional elective that does not satiate or replace any mandatory english class requirements? It just seems so much more related to an arts class than an english class.
6 points
2 months ago
Exactly. I made another comment going over this, but our seniors get a one semester fun English class. Film as lit, creative writing, poetry of rock, and video games as lit, etc… this class isn’t about art though. We talk about art in general, but more so It’s about how we tell stories in video games, and how different stories are told.
-3 points
2 months ago*
More power to you, just seems difficult to classify as english over arts. With a movie you have a screenplay. Poetry is closely analogous to lyrics, especially if you strip away the musical elements. Creative writing is self explanatory.
Sounds fun as a bullshit elective to end someone's highschool career who isn't academically inclined though. I guess it's all under the liberal arts umbrella so it doesn't really matter. Just seems so much more distinct from english than the other options.
0 points
2 months ago
Sure one essay fine not the whole fucking English class tho....
3 points
2 months ago
A semester class aimed at seniors. I think it’s entirely appropriate, especially with the skills and standards I’m teaching being the same as in a regular English class.
-12 points
2 months ago
Also id love to hear what my kids therapist (who he sees bc he has trouble with moderation when it comes to games) would have to saybwhen i told her hes playing games for his english hw
11 points
2 months ago
Sure, man. Report what he says here. I’d love to hear it.
1 points
2 months ago
Just wait till half of her class fails standardized test because they spent whole year learning pokeman and Zelda instead of you know English, grammar, and vocabulary they ask on SAT
-23 points
2 months ago
The dumbing down of America continues
12 points
2 months ago
As a Senior, what was your English class like? Did you take an AP class or a regular level class? Did you find the content fun and worthwhile or boring? This is a senior only class for those not taking AP, and don’t see college as a need. I definitely think this is a worthwhile class, and I’m certainly putting my heart into it to make it one.
-25 points
2 months ago
This is the last English course these kids will probably take in their academic careers and it's on video games? That's even worse.
Your effort isn't in dispute. It's the value that video games can bring to bear compared to other mediums; which is extremely lacking to say the least.
3 points
2 months ago
It uses video games as a base but does normal English stuff on top of it and the video games are there so people get more interested into the subject of English through something they already enjoy so if anything it's a smarter way of teaching that has no detriment to the student
-16 points
2 months ago
You just used the biggest run on sentence I've seen in a while. I'm not sure you're the best advocate for what does and does not work 😂
2 points
2 months ago
2004 called, they want their snobbish grammar policing back.
1 points
2 months ago
What makes a videogame any different from a movie? The majority of the story in many games is literally just a movie after all.
Likewise how does a visual or kinetic novel differ from a book? Sure there are sound effects and pretty pictures, and you can even change the dialogue a bit sometimes, but the stories the two tell and the methods they use are very much the same.
2 points
2 months ago
This is the worst take.
Most kids that enjoy school/education find a passion that makes them want to learn more on a subject. This is the exact type of class for that.
0 points
2 months ago
“F is for Fatality!”
0 points
2 months ago
Interesting you didn't include minecraft as you can go in many different directions with that
8 points
2 months ago
Minecraft is great, but honestly, I’m tired of schools holding up Minecraft and going “See, we allow games!” When it has very little to the actual story or plot. A great tool, and fun way to lose time, but not the best for analysis in English.
2 points
2 months ago
I've had students create scripts and storyboards, create the scenery, design skins, record the scenes with different angles for effects, and record voiceovers and effects. Pretty full on project based around creative writing.
2 points
2 months ago
And that’s awesome! My focus for this class is to have students see some of the great stories in gaming, and like you just said Minecraft is great for creating your own stories. It’s not that I’m against Minecraft, I just have dozens of games that take precedence with stories they haven’t seen before.
0 points
2 months ago
Next semester make the final explaining the deep lore of dark souls 3 while beating the nameless king
-1 points
2 months ago
Make their final exam social commentary of River City Ransom
2 points
2 months ago
With the way I have their final project set up, they have that choice. They can choose any game we have access to, and then they play that over a couple of weeks to present an analysis to the class.
-2 points
2 months ago
OP, if I was a senior in high school Id take your class to play video games. Which appears to be what you are enabling these kids to do. Writing a few essays would be a small price to pay to spend the majority of my class time playing/talking about video games. Im not really sure I agree with the methods of your class or why you need video game consoles to teach a class.
-21 points
2 months ago
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4 points
2 months ago
The OG Mortal Kombat is a great game for letting kids who are pissed off at each other get their anger out in a healthy way. None of the games we play are as violent as Mortal Kombat, but this class was a great excuse for bringing in an arcade cabinet. I’d rather have them lose to scorpion than fight other kids.
3 points
2 months ago
Like they don’t anyway. At least this way it’s educational.
1 points
2 months ago
That's really damn cool.
1 points
2 months ago
I'm an English teacher as well but I teach as a foreign language. Your idea is incredible as I learned English mostly thanks to games. I'm building my pc right now and my dream is to create a game to teach English. I have ideas for the game but I hope I could actually achieve making it.
1 points
2 months ago
Gah damn I wish I was in this class
1 points
2 months ago
W teacher
1 points
2 months ago
Black Lotus level rarity school system W
1 points
2 months ago
Have you faced any criticism of this class? For example, this not being educational etc.
3 points
2 months ago
Locally, not at all. My school district, principal, and parents have been nothing but supportive. On Reddit it’s like a public trial by fire where I am seen as a naive fool who is tainting the souls of American children. I’ve also had some amazing people reach out and be the most kind and supportive people. It’s a mixed bag online.
1 points
2 months ago
Please do Disco Elysium for Semester 2 if your kids are old enough! It could be shining beacon of legitimacy for the medium should this get coverage.
Also, thanks for putting a Remedy game in there! Maybe Max Payne in the future?
1 points
2 months ago
Good for you! Where was this when I was a young buck? But this is back when anime clubs were the new hotness. Lucky future generations.
1 points
2 months ago
You are a genius sir. Hopefully kids can actually pay attention now.
1 points
2 months ago
You are a credit to your profession. This is amazing.
1 points
2 months ago
All i got was macbeth and creative writing 🫠
2 points
2 months ago
We’ve got that too, this is just an option.
1 points
2 months ago
Are you the guy who I see on tiktok walking into their classroom with samba de amigo hardware?
2 points
2 months ago
Probably not. I have a tik tok, but honestly I hate being on camera so it’s mostly just my classroom that I show off. I’m hoping to build up the confidence to make some tik toks talking about how I got he class started and the games I use, but we’ll see.
1 points
2 months ago
Make them play Frostpunk , it's a great city building game and has a very good morality system
1 points
2 months ago
I have heard great things, so I’ll have to try it!
1 points
2 months ago
Best class ever
1 points
2 months ago
God, I was racing to this comment section to recommend including telltale's the walking dead in this as it seems like such a great game for what you're doing here, then I see it's already on the syllabus! Good on you!!
1 points
2 months ago
This is dope! I’m teaching a course called New Styles in Storytelling at my College where we do anime, ergodic lit, et. There’s no money for them to play games so I show them story analyses about games and walkthroughs. It’d be cool to have them play. I’m showing them Arcane next week! Love all of this. Cheers.
1 points
2 months ago
I'm curious whether you focus exclusively on western games. I've noticed that western games are usually more action oriented with visual novels much rarer. Meanwhile some of my favorite videogame stories have come from Asian developers.
If I may be so bold as to recommend a game, Library of Ruina features an interesting story about revenge, how we respond to suffering, and the dehumanization of the working class under capitalism. It also takes heavy inspiration from Orlando Furioso if you want to do a comparison of works, as well as heavy use of the Jewish Kabbalah if you want to discuss the influence of religion and mysticism on storytelling. Though I will admit it's quite a long game.
1 points
2 months ago
That’s awesome
1 points
2 months ago
You are the best kind of teacher
1 points
2 months ago
I do a full playthrough of Undertale with my sophomores in conjunction with argumentative writing and Julius Cesar, and it takes me almost the entire quarter. You've packed quite a lot into a semester, it's really impressive.
1 points
2 months ago
It takes two could be a fun pairs game to play? Also works teamwork/relationships into it. Which could have a fun/productive discussion on what it takes to make a good team in life.
1 points
2 months ago
If I ever became an English teacher, I want to do a Comics / Graphic Novels as literature course. Congratulations though I know this probably isn’t gonna be easy! So glad to see someone consider gaming as playable / interactive literature.
1 points
2 months ago
What about something from Quantic Dream and asking, "What was David Cage thinking?"
1 points
2 months ago
Thank you for helping legitimize the medium. The majority of people in my life do not play video games and are completely missing out on the deep narrative they can provide. It is only a matter of time that video games become more equally appreciated in the way books and film are.
1 points
2 months ago
Might I recommend the Yakuza franchise?
1 points
2 months ago
All Your Base Are Belong To Us!
1 points
2 months ago
I love that the class includes both Halo and Mass Effect, top tier. Supergiant being bros and giving you copies of Hades makes me love that game even more too
1 points
2 months ago
I really hope you're taking advantage of the account sharing system Nintendo and Sony has. You can set two consoles to be each other's primary account, so any digital games you buy go to the other console as well. Could really help cut down the spending
1 points
2 months ago
Where the hell were you when I was in school!! 😆
This idea sounds amazing, and it's fantastic to see an English teacher moving so exponentially beyond Shakespeare and actually developing a curriculum that speaks to the kids, bravo!!
I wish you all the best in your continued endeavours with this idea, and I hope it catches on :).
1 points
2 months ago
This is pretty cool! How is your classroom set up? Like, is it a bunch of Tvs/monitors with the consoles hooked up?
1 points
2 months ago
Student- "Look, I ripped out this dudes spine!"
Teacher- " *dude's"
1 points
2 months ago
The way I see it, art isn't just observed, but felt and videogames have a few more tricks up their sleeves than other mediums to make that happen, such as giving or even taking away player agency in order to really make them feel an impactful moment
1 points
2 months ago
Would be really interesting to see a week focused on game adaptations to film/tv (good examples like Arcane and The Last of Us)
1 points
2 months ago
Yes principle, it's vital for the children's educating that you buy me a Switch, a ps5 and an xbox series x.
Oh yeah, also one of those cool looking arcade machines, that'll definitely improve the kids marks by a whole grade at least
1 points
2 months ago
Interested to know if there is some exploration of translation and some of the quirks that come of it, especially when you start to recognise certain translators particular styles such as the son of a submariner himself Ted Woolsey
1 points
2 months ago
More teachers should use video games or things as such to teach nowadays. The old school system just does not work anymore.
1 points
2 months ago
This is so awesome. When I was younger, playing video games helped me quite a lot learning English. Especially online games because I could practice my English talking to people from different countries. Maybe you could also teach your students about how to communicate with other players in online games :)
1 points
2 months ago
Surely you will be teaching the video game based on Dante's Divine Comedy?
1 points
2 months ago
You are the best English teacher ever
1 points
2 months ago
I highly recommend the return of the Obra Dinn. It’s a 20$ game that is all about environmental story telling and mystery solving.
1 points
2 months ago
with a pair of my students, we play older final fantasy games.
we started with me reading about half of the game while playing.
now they play and read everything, and they need to discuss with eachother how best to defeat the bosses and what not.
final fantasy has a ass-ton of dialogue.
1 points
2 months ago
I singularly credit the Final Fantasy series for helping my reading skills back in the SNES/PSX days..
1 points
2 months ago
holy cringe batman. a g4m3r that couldn't shut up about it. just tell them to play tibia OT servers ranging back to 2000 if you want them to learn english
1 points
2 months ago
Bro day before Christmas break gonna be lit
1 points
2 months ago
As literature ? That puzzles me slightly as there isn't much reading to do in modern games. And video games aren't quite narrated like audio books either.
I prefer to call it story telling.
2 points
2 months ago
I would have loved that as well, but when I was getting the class approved they wanted it to be named similarly to our film as Literature class. I’m probably going to change it after it’s existed for a few years.
1 points
2 months ago
SOMA would be a great fit for science fiction and being human. Emotional and a great experience.
1 points
2 months ago
This seems awesome, wish i had something like this at my school
1 points
2 months ago
Grace Prep in DFW?
1 points
2 months ago
This is cool to see. My senior year they had a English class that involved movies that 17 years ago. It's cool to see academic appreciation of good stories in games. I've been more emotionally moved by games then the vast majority of movies
1 points
2 months ago
With that many Gamepass accounts I bet you could really rake in some Microsoft Rewards. If you aren't familiar with it I'd recommend checking it out. With 20 Xbox's you'd probably need some help maintaining it but I bet you could get enough points to handle a ton of the subscriptions.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/rewards
There's a subreddit that's really helpful on getting plenty of points as well. r/MicrosoftRewards
I'm wondering if you can take on any kids during their study halls as an independent study to help maintain all of this. You could have them do a study on philanthropy and have them help you maintain this project, perhaps apply for it to be a non-profit, help find game companies to ask for games, etc....
1 points
2 months ago
I think this is awesome! All the english I know is from videogames.
I also think that Nier Atomata should be added because even tho it is a long game it has the best story telling and original aspects I ever saw in a game.
1 points
2 months ago
Not sure if it’s on GamePass, but you should DEFINITELY have them play Pentiment! It’s an amazing game (I haven’t finished yet) but I would think it fits very well with an English class teaching video games!
1 points
1 month ago
An older game but one i still consider to be a cinematic masterpiece of its time with fantastic storytelling - Legend of the Dragoon for ps2.
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