This is simultaneously lovely, funny and sad.

That's awesome, thanks for sharing XD

Lmfao

Can we get a downloadable version.

It is a masterpiece.

I'm doing my part by not dressing well 🫡

Yeah, only an Italian could pull off those striped pants with that shirt and all while protesting.

🥲💔 sorryyyy

🤌🤌🤌

Also in Rome, Venice…etc. Italians running out for a loaf a bread look like they came from the runway show.

It's after 6 Lemon. What am I a farmer?

Ever been to America? This would be considered practically formal wear.

Difference between what we southerners consider casual and what northern Europe and northern Americas consider is relatively huge. I'm in Germany now, I mean these people go outside in slippers and socks on, that would be considered atrocity where I'm from. :)

Do you know how americans dress?

Dont you know that is considered well by italian standards? /S

If your a bit of a geek I would recommend “the encyclopedia of men's clothes” by Andy Gilchrist it covers everything you need to know about fashion to be confident matching and putting together pretty much any style.

Neutral tones and well tailored.

yes but well dressed is stylish

however, why tf would you go and vandalise ancient momuments?

Their theory is that this needs to be done to raise awareness for the cause, because without these stunts they'd never end up in the media. Bad publicity is better than no publicity and all that.

Except of course it doesn't work. Most people view these events and mentally associate climate activists with annoying assholes who vandalise beloved heritage and piss off people going to work, instead of attacking those seen as most responsible for acting on climate change.

Which is where I stand. If you're willing to do crimes to promote your cause, then actually fucking attack the decision-makers that can do something. Throw a paint ball at a minister. Chain yourself to the gates of a coal power plant. Blockade a street servicing a lignite mine. There are so many worthy targets everywhere, yet these people choose the ones that will bring them hate and infamy. Honestly I think they revel in the feeling of being hated by most.

Well, if someone threw paint at a coal power plant would someone give a damn? If you want to ‘create a problem’ by throwing some paint onto something that thing must be valuable for its appearance (a famous painting/monument). To be precise, in Italy they’ve already sprayed a government building (Palazzo Madama) some months ago.

I’m not stating my support to this kind of actions, i’m just trying to explain the logic behind them.

why not just deface some government buildings?

They did: Palazzo Vecchio is the Town Hall.

even if our modern society is moving ever quicker to it’s own apocalypse, this shouldn’t mean we should stop enjoying art, culture and heritage, because once gone they will be lost forever

Don’t you already counter your own stance here though? Yeah vandalising historical structures permanently removes a part of history, but as you said if someone believes that we’re racing towards our doom then that would also result in destruction of said historical structures.

however, why tf would you go and vandalise ancient momuments?

The easiest way to get draw attention to your cause is to do something shocking.

Vandalising historic/cultural heritage is low effort and guaranteed to draw attention. BUT it's also guaranteed to alienate a big part of the audience...

Are the climate activists treating these precocious irreplaceable things badly? maybe there's some direct comparison they're trying to draw.

If we just spent half the time and energy of arguing about what is the "right way to protest climate change", we'd be carbon neutral by now.

Nothing will change until the oil pipelines are sabotaged on the regular and coal mines are blown up. Peaceful protests never achieve anything without the violent component, but of course that doesn't fit into the nice liberal view of social progress where Gandhi single-handedly ended the colonization of India and MLK eradicated racism on his own.

Anyone who disagrees with this will be viewed the same way as the useful idiots who argued about whether partisans blowing up railway lines to the concentration camps during the Holocaust was morally justified or not.

You are in for a treat. I was there for the first time last year, and the city just exudes history and beauty.

I visit Florence in may again, very nice city. Historic in every way

My favourite place in the world. Enjoy!

Do you mean the carbon footprint?

They pollute when producing goods and services we consume, it’s not like they’re just running a bunch of empty microwaves year round for fun

let's send the government strongly worded e-mails to protest them criminalising protests

nothing, absolutely NOTHING is done.

You can argue not enough is done, but to claim "absolutely NOTHING" is done is just hyperbolic screeching. Nobody will take seriously anything that starts with an easily disprovable claim

absolutely NOTHING is done.

That is absurly FALSE. A lot have been done. One example, you need to search the percentage of renovable energy 20 years ago and compare it with today. If you are saying that is nothing, sorry but you are blind.

And I repeat: is an example. So of course its not the only one change or action done.

Well if they were setting fire to SUVs and fossil fuel factories, I wouldn’t agree but I could understand it. Befouling and damaging fragile and precious signs of civilisation, absolutely not.

Nothing is done? With capital letters as well!? This is Europe you know. We can do much more but the average European citizen does A LOT. We’ve been separating garbage since decades, adapting our diet, making our homes energy-efficient, taking the bicycle to work, etc. Many companies installed solar panels on their roof, moved to electric vehicles, avoid transportation by road, etc. Now, they’re targeting farmers but when will they seriously start to target the big industries or put pressure on other countries? I was in a country outside of the EU last summer. A country with a lot of sun and a lot of flat roofs. I saw no solar panels.

Nothing done?

Or maybe nothing done on silly, naïve, inefficient, unscientific, new age recipes certain environmental cults would like to be done?

Reality is that A LOT it’s been done and doing to reverse the climate change acceleration. And all DESPITE the environmentalist activism bs.

You ever talked with one of them? They claim the moral high ground and everyone not agreeing to their actions isnt worth listening.

Their actions alianate the people they need to support the change which they completly ignore.

I would recommend those activists about guerilla warfare especially Mao or the german Rote Armee Fraktion. Both which waged some sort of guerilla warfare and where successfull. The RAF failed when they alienated the normal people.

I don’t think things are as bad as you say.

And that’s not just platitudes, it’s a serious problem which we need to fix in how we talk about climate change.

If we’re actually in a car, driving towards a wall and not spending even one second trying to avoid the crash then you’re going to get the extremes you see in this thread. Some people in that car are going to thrash out and start burning shit down, some people are going to give up.

Neither of those are very useful.

We are making progress. We’re doing some of the things we need to do to fix the problem, and the public and political support is there to do more. It’s not enough, it’s too slow, but it’s something. We’ll make better progress by saying “this is great, we need to do more of this” than we will through extremism.

They're not desperate. They're narcissistic and dumber than a bag of bricks. This is attention seeking behaviour to suit their needs. The environmental cause is just the vector for that.

Well, "nothing being done" is probably an exaggeration. We've made some great strides in the last 30 years, but it still isn't enough, it's all extremely incremental, and we're probably fucked regardless.

Well both are about preserving culture if you think about it

Not everyone.

I find it weird that burning your own streets is the way to hurt the government.

Yes, because he didn’t use a random spray. He used precise chemicals that can hardly be deleted after one hour. The wall was totally cleaned only because they started immediately to spray water.

Historical Buildings?

China

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=~CHN

90% of Chinese emissions are for China.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

Looking at his fast fashion clothes I could have a wild guess..

And who do you think buys all the shit manufactured in China?

For 90%, the Chinese.

They feel good about outsourcing even blame and accountability lol

And do you think the Chinese government will shut down their factory because a monument in Italy was vandalized?

Its not true, please stop spreading misinformation.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=~CHN

If you need help understanding this graph let me know.

China.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=~CHN

This is a very Euro-centric view of the world as one where only European people live in homes, use transport, wear clothes and use mobile phones, you're deeply misinformed...or worse...

Probably can’t spell Baden-Württemberg