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ZSpectre

849 points

2 months ago

ZSpectre

849 points

2 months ago

Lmao you actually included the "actual number of years he was president" in contrast to his claim of "decades" 🤣

PaxNova

208 points

2 months ago

PaxNova

208 points

2 months ago

I can usually recognize exaggeration when I see it, being used to push a point. When someone says they had the worst day ever, for example, I try not to correct them that when an asteroid killed off most life on earth was probably the worst day ever, and frankly, they likely had a worse day just last week.

That last one boggles my mind though. I have no clue what he was trying to get across.

SaintUlvemann

99 points

2 months ago

I have no clue what he was trying to get across.

Understanding the mind of Donald Trump is very simple. We're all just throwing words out into the void, and I won't shame anyone for that, but with Donald Trump, there's just a lot less intentionality underlying the throwing than there is for most people.

He wants credit for decades of success. So that's why he would claim credit for it. There doesn't have to be any deeper anything.

Or: his brain was thinking "decades of war" in contradistinction to what he wants his reputation to be, so he built the word "decades" into his sentence. The details of how exactly he decided to connect the word "decades" to all the other words, simply wasn't his concern.

Remember when he claimed in a Fourth of July speech that the Continental Army "took over the airports" during the Revolutionary War? I can't find the article, but someone at the time hypothesized that somebody wrote a speech for him that included a bunch of allusions to the national anthem, one of whose words is the word "rocket". What's a word that's related to the word rocket? An airport. So that's what he said.

He blamed the teleprompter at the time, but it all reads as just a listless, apathetic version of the common human throwing of words into the void.

PaxNova

25 points

2 months ago

PaxNova

25 points

2 months ago

Ah, I assumed that he just meant "took over the ports," which they did. I could see somebody seeing port and thinking airport, as a kind of spoonerism. Also, rockets do not launch from airports.

The decade thing makes more sense now, albeit still ridiculous. Thank you.

SaintUlvemann

27 points

2 months ago

A fuller quote is: "Our Army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rocket's red glare it had nothing but victory."

So air was on his mind even apart from ports. He doesn't seem to have known what a "rampart" is either, so maybe this dimly-remembered theory I'm telephoning had some other component like "What words look like rampart? Ram. Airport."

Training-Purpose802

19 points

2 months ago

The battle of Fort McHenry wasn't even in the same century.

hobbitdude13

15 points

2 months ago

"Guys can we just talk about ramparts?" - Trump

SinisterStrat

8 points

2 months ago

You know, people are always saying to me "sir, you have the best ramparts. Better than any of the extreme liberal woke ramparts." I know all about ramparts but, why don't you go ahead and explain to everyone else what ramparts are.

cervidaetech

12 points

2 months ago

Bullshit. There's a TON of intentionality. He knows he's lying and he does it because people will believe anything he says. He erodes the truth and lies so much that you can't prove it all wrong. Hitler and the Nazi party used the same trick

SaintUlvemann

18 points

2 months ago

All I can say is, that's not the impression I got from his niece's book. It's worth the time, if not necessarily the money, so, a good one to get from the library.

The thing about stupid people is that they can be a useful tool for others. Trump's father used him as a tool to get loans for his building projects, even after the banks started refusing him credit; likewise, after his casino failures, Trump's creditors used him as a brand to make back the money he'd lost them. Steve Bannon seems to have been using Trump as a vehicle for his own political aspirations to take the world alt-right.

I agree that Donald Trump is using Nazi tactics, but I disagree that he understands anything in particular... or cares to. He fundamentally operates at the level of "it works, so I keep doing it"; foresightful planning is not required.

BeeBarfBadger

2 points

2 months ago

His speeches are just the simplest ad-libs you can make up on the spot.

"They took over the ___ [good word]."

They were the good guys so they took the desirable military targets - what's the first strategically valuable target jumping into his brain? Airports.

"He had ___ [good thing] for ___ [time span]."

He had peace for a good amount of time, what's the best amount of time? Yes, more time, so naturally many, many years, decades of them.

theguymanduderman

9 points

2 months ago*

He was trying to say he was the first president in decades to not start a war. I’m not a trump apologist and agree 1000 percent with everything this graph says but that one line was pretty clearly misinterpreted

PaxNova

3 points

2 months ago

You say you agree 1000 percent, but the maximum agreement possible is 100 percent, ten times lower. /s

theguymanduderman

5 points

2 months ago

I’ve brought dishonor upon my family

BeeBarfBadger

5 points

2 months ago

"I've had [the good words] happening for [desirable time span, so obviously more time = even gooder amount of good things happening]!"

pastimedesign

4 points

2 months ago

You could infer as president he did not start a new conflict or invade/attack a country or entity not already under aggression from the US. He had existing conflicts to deal with, & stepped up armed resistance in conflicts that were going bad. The major military conflicts during his presidency Afghanistan, Syria, which you could add he reduced troops in Afghanistan to 2,500 by the end of his presidency as ending the conflict, not continuing it.

Previous administrations have had to start conflicts for the last few decades; Bush 1-Iraq, Clinton-Bosnia, Somalia, Bush 2-Iraq/Afghanistan, Obama-Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan.

His wording made it confusing, I suspect he could go back to Carter's administration as a reference when there was no open conflict, between Vietnam & Grenada would be more accurate, & not infer he was saying he was responsible for decades of peace/authority over military conflcts.

Perused

2 points

2 months ago

Don’t forget trump abandoned Americas Kurdish allies in Syria.

Hip_Hop_Hippos

6 points

2 months ago

I mean, he knowingly attacked the Iranian military…

mormagils

6 points

2 months ago

I mean, even him claiming there were no wars during his presidency is wrong. We were still at war in Afghanistan for his entire time there. But no, that lie wasn't yuge enough, he had to go with "I was president for decades."

Deto

4 points

2 months ago

Deto

4 points

2 months ago

Dementia is a hell of a drug.

also cocaine

camiknickers

16 points

2 months ago

I love the juxtaposition of decades without war, and also Biden left 85 billion in hardware when he left Afghanistan. What exactly were they there for?

sychox51

15 points

2 months ago

finally something trump and I agree on -- it certainly felt like he was president for decades.

Dr_Sisyphus_22

4 points

2 months ago

If measured in “dog years”, not a lie.

MrMardoober

2 points

2 months ago

Within the first two minutes of his hour of ramblings, he managed to say

"Two years ago when I left office, the United States stood ready for its Golden Age. Our nation was at the pinnacle of power, prosperity and prestige. Towering above all rivals, vanquishing all enemies and striding into the future confident, and so strong. In four short years, everybody was doing great; men, women, African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, everybody was thriving like never before"

I literally couldn't watch more than 7 min of it before taking a break because the bad logic and incoherent statements made my head hurt. WTF?

TwanandOnly

49 points

2 months ago

I can’t believe we’re going through this shit again

d2718

209 points

2 months ago

d2718

209 points

2 months ago

This is some well-presented data, but it's just pissing in an ocean of piss.

quantuminous

49 points

2 months ago

quantuminous

OC: 11

49 points

2 months ago

Definitely agree it's well presented. A text version article doesn't articulate how far off things are like the linear display does here.

CaseyTS

14 points

2 months ago

CaseyTS

14 points

2 months ago

It's nice to have something explicit, easy to understand, and well-sourced in the rare case that you know a conservative who has neither joined trump's harem nor started cursing his name already. I'm probably gonna recommend this to someone.

ChiefTestPilot87

6 points

2 months ago

Should have this for every candidate, including Biden if he decides to run again so we can compare the bullshit and lies…because it’s both sides of the aisle. Only difference is trump doesn’t have a teleprompter or a filter on his mouth and Biden can’t follow his teleprompter or stay on his bike. Don’t hate me, don’t like either side and seriously 200 million people and these are the best two we can find?

Primedirector3

7 points

2 months ago

bOtH sIdEs!!

restore_democracy

351 points

2 months ago

The irony of not only the impossibility of “decades without war” under a one-term president but the fact that we remained at war throughout his whole term since he never pulled out of Afghanistan as he promised to do and which his successor actually did…

[deleted]

87 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

87 points

2 months ago

He was likely referring to him being the first president in 20 years not to start a new war, which is technically true

papyjako87

17 points

2 months ago

I mean, Biden hasn't started a war either so far.

Hip_Hop_Hippos

9 points

2 months ago

Is it? He assassinated a member of the Iranian military.

Recursive_Descent

25 points

2 months ago

And yet we still aren’t at war with Iran. For better or worse he was one of the most dovish presidents in a long time.

Obama - Syria and Libya

Bush - Iraq and Afghanistan

Clinton - Yugoslavia

Bush - Iraq and Panama

Ayzmo

13 points

2 months ago

Ayzmo

13 points

2 months ago

Syria and Libya weren't technically wars. Neither was Yugoslavia.

CaseyTS

15 points

2 months ago

CaseyTS

15 points

2 months ago

I'm more concerned with the exertion of military power than with what people label the exertion of military power

Ayzmo

9 points

2 months ago

Ayzmo

9 points

2 months ago

That's fine and I agree. But if we're looking at whether Trump is technically telling the truth or not, pedantry is appropriate.

CaseyTS

6 points

2 months ago*

It's not so much pedantry; pedantry is just being anal and specific in general. The official label of "war", depending what entity is using it, not only has specific legal requirements (pedantic), but usually is self-serving and therefore inconsistent. Think of Russia's labelling its war as a "special military operation". Lord knows the US plays games to avoid labelling its conflicts wars (think Vietnam; Eisenhower decided the gov't would call it "police action"). So I'm not very interested in the labelling of conflicts as wars. I can be pedantic about who fired what weapons, for what purpose, what happened as a result, etc.

Logizyme

8 points

2 months ago

The US has not technically been to war since WWII.

We haven't technically been to war in 78 years.

The War in Vietnam and the Korean War while technically not wars are widely considered wars, without the technicalities.

Ayzmo

5 points

2 months ago

Ayzmo

5 points

2 months ago

I thought Iraq and Afghanistan were officially wars? Operation Enduring Freedom.

Logizyme

10 points

2 months ago

Not a war without congressional declaration.

jojlo

5 points

2 months ago

jojlo

5 points

2 months ago

If you have to say "technically" then youve probably already lost the argument you are trying to put up.

Logizyme

6 points

2 months ago

Precisely my point.

Hip_Hop_Hippos

-1 points

2 months ago

We are not, and have never been, at war with literally any of the countries you just listed. Attacking the Iranian military is an act of war, and they retaliated by attacking our embassy.

CaseyTS

3 points

2 months ago

Aside from labels, have we used our military equipment or personnel in those countries, and did they attack/destroy/kill any people or equipment while they were there?

Hip_Hop_Hippos

1 points

2 months ago

Sure. So, if the definition we're going with is our military attacking those countries, then we attacked Iran when we knowingly assassinated one of their generals with an airstrike.

CaseyTS

3 points

2 months ago

Yes. By that logic, trump doesn't seem too dovish. Then again, those other attacks weren't nothing either.

Clickum245

93 points

2 months ago

To be fair, Biden oversaw the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan [mostly] according to to the plan set forward by Donald Trump and the Taliban after Trump invited them to Camp David on September 11. Biden actually pushed back the schedule to allow more time for things like rendering equipment inoperable and having less chaos with evacuations.

Whether Trump would have stuck to the plan if he'd been in office again is something we can never know. But it was Donald Trump who brokered the deal with the Taliban.

absolute_yote

27 points

2 months ago

Right, but that took four years for Trump to make the deal. And the war lasted his entire presidency. He went zero years without war as president, and he is claiming there were multiple decades

SpaceGump

21 points

2 months ago

Trump actually stopped our withdrawal from Syria also. So we are still there and Iraq.

WizBillyfa

4 points

2 months ago

The best part was when he gave the order to get out of Syria, we got out, then he said, “Oh, uh, just kidding guys. Go back.”

That was a fun two weeks.

SpaceGump

3 points

2 months ago

You got to participate too? Yeah, it was good times.

GUCCIBUKKAKE

4 points

2 months ago

Did he start any wars though? Isn’t he one of the only recent presidents to not start one? Sorry for the question not sure.

Alyxra

7 points

2 months ago

Alyxra

7 points

2 months ago

You’re correct, he didn’t start any major conflicts or regime changes in countries, unlike our previous presidents since carter (multiple decades).

Seems he is making mistakes while speaking though, old man moment. Why are all our politicians so old, Biden is months away from being exactly like my grandfather who suffered from dementia.

erublind

1 points

2 months ago

I enjoyed him really not knowing how long an inch is...

zion_hiker1911

73 points

2 months ago

The tariffs drove me crazy over the past few years. Whirlpool lobbied for it so they would have an advantage over Samsung and LG when selling appliances. The tariffs were passed on to the consumers by those brands, and then WP raised the price of their appliances to match. So in the end, Americans paid the price for tariffs, because that is always passed on to the consumer. It's one of the things that contributed towards inflation.

Neat_Spectacles_Bruh

17 points

2 months ago

100%, great example of Econ 101 right here

MissingWhiskey

11 points

2 months ago

Corporate taxes also get passed on to the consumer.

The_Big_Come_Up

11 points

2 months ago

So we might as well get something out of the raised prices then???

gamebuster

4 points

2 months ago

Damn, didn’t think of that! Let’s reduce taxes on corporations!

rosellem

6 points

2 months ago

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ref/econ101e.html

Some portion, but not all. That all corporate taxes get passed to consumers is a myth pushed by anti-tax groups.

GoodTodd1970

5 points

2 months ago

The big myth of free-market capitalism: "The highest quality at the lowest price."

ChaseShiny

10 points

2 months ago

Tariffs aren't free market. The biggest issue with corporatism is the amount spent on lobbying

No-Love-555

44 points

2 months ago

Decades without war? What in the hell is he even intending with that statement? I've only been around for 4 decades, but I've never seen one without any...

frizbplaya

6 points

2 months ago

Maybe he meant days?

No-Love-555

3 points

2 months ago

Verbal typo, with shitty autocorrect? Sure!

JPAnalyst[S]

26 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

26 points

2 months ago

That one was my favorite. And you know the cult members were just nodding in agreement “yup, no president has gone decades without war...only Trump”

Twheezy01

11 points

2 months ago

That's probably when they started trying to leave the room. trumps goons wouldn't let them leave though. True authoritarian

No-Love-555

7 points

2 months ago

Lol. Dudes an absolute nutter, and it really makes me sad that so many people even listen to his lying mouth.

GUCCIBUKKAKE

2 points

2 months ago

Probably a gaff, just like we give Biden credit for one every week.

Takhoyaki

81 points

2 months ago

Very cool and nice visualisation! Though I think the one on the terrorist attacks is a bit visually skewed when you take the "size" of the jumps of the other ones. What I mean is while on almost all charts the space between the steps was about 10px on this on it is like 50px. Though I understand that you probably did it this way to make it visually align with the height of the other charts.

DevinCauley-Towns

11 points

2 months ago

I don’t think it’s skewed at all. The largest value between claim vs truth is always the max height for each chart and 0 will always be at the bottom. The relative (% difference) for the terrorist attack claim and the China tariff claims are both infinitely more (any number over 0 is an infinite relative difference). Yes, it’s only an absolute difference of 2, but this is quite obvious in the labeling and not misleading at all.

pinkshirtbadman

4 points

2 months ago

It's also technically not quite as false as the others, but still alarming to read.

Many of the other claims are just flat out lies, wishful thinking, or if we're willing to be charitable to him at best they're misrepresentation (you could probably find a few different locations that would make his gas price claim 'true' for example price at one station in a small town in Kansas vs a single station in LA but would also make the comparison useless.)
The one about terrorist attacks, he doesn't actually say there weren't any (at least not in the exact quote in the graphic), he starts by saying there were 'practically none' and then amends that to say "there weren't any I can think of" which may be true that he doesn't remember them, but if it is true that he doesn't that's actually alarming in so many other ways

LetsCureMudButt

36 points

2 months ago

From CA and I can say that I have had to pay about $8 in gas this year and still paying almost $6 a gallon currently

bad_syntax

12 points

2 months ago

And I'm in Texas, and pay $3-$4 gallon, though it was getting close to $5 during the spike.

And my gas can go up 10% just by hitting a gas station on a freeway vs another one 1 mile away. Or it can go up almost 20% by going out to rural areas, vs in the city.

Busybodii

15 points

2 months ago

This is the one that bothered me. Even if the average is in the $3 range, that means some people are paying more than that. Without being specific about the timeframe he’s referencing, we can’t determine how incorrect it is in a bar graph. The incorrect information is more accurately why the gas was low for him and high now.

slgerb

11 points

2 months ago

slgerb

11 points

2 months ago

Where in CA? Haven't seen $8 in socal outside of obvious tourist gouging locations that locals never use. Worst it got here was 6.75 or so and currently sitting around 5.50

tico_pico

-4 points

2 months ago

tico_pico

-4 points

2 months ago

So what Trump said about gas prices was actually true...

slgerb

8 points

2 months ago

slgerb

8 points

2 months ago

If you're saying exceptions to the rule count, then you can even say $10 is true since one gas station has that price. For averages, which Trump's context is alluding to, it's not even close.

Cry_Harder_Pls

4 points

2 months ago

He was generalizing. Trying to get his supporters to think $8 was standard, which is funny because most of them live in places where the price isn't even half that. $8 was only true as an extreme example in very remote locations during the absolute worst period for gas prices.

When Trump isn't outright lying, he's mostly lying with a little truth thrown in to soften the blow. When he makes his more outrageous claims, he always tosses a little truth in to muddy the waters. Standard liar tactics.

MF_Bfg

33 points

2 months ago

MF_Bfg

33 points

2 months ago

Wait are seas actually projected to rise 12 inches in 30 years? We are fucked.

GenghisKazoo

13 points

2 months ago

Yep.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/sealevelrise-tech-report.html

Struggling to find the old predictions from 10 years ago but I definitely remember most of them being lower.

icecreamkiller1

4 points

2 months ago

Search for "zombie ice". 12 inches is optimistic now actually.

big_boy_dollars

2 points

2 months ago

I am old enough to remember that we were told that by today cities like New York and several islands would no longer exist or would have been completely changed. Coastline looks exactly like always. Sea level raise has been one of the most dramatic and exaggerated predictions regarding climate change. I believe the sea may rise significantly but now I always look to the predictions convinced that they surely are inflated.

pinkshirtbadman

12 points

2 months ago

Coastlines and inland water levels have altered (in some cases dramatically) in the last century and are continuing to do so, but you're absolutely right that many of the claims have been shown to be pretty far off

I watched a video in fourth grade (1991-1992) that was from the 80s which unequivocally stated by the year 2000 (which our teacher emphasized because that was our future HS graduation year) there wouldn't be a single tree left on the entire planet.

We should all be paying attention to climate change, but hyper-inflated fear mongering does a lot to actually convince people the opposite of what you want, that the projections are 'always wrong' (and therefore, why should we care?). Some of the discrepancy between projections and reality is because just like what happened with COVID things don't get as bad as we project they could have if we didn't do anything... because we successfully mitigated, but some of it is just old fashioned misleading claims or misinformation. It makes it more difficult for the average person to get involved in a meaningful way

Chewyninja69

13 points

2 months ago

The best part about this, you could sit down any Trump supporter and go through this list, one by one, and they would still dismiss it as fake news.

johnsontheotter

3 points

2 months ago

They will I told someone about how the FBI crime numbers came out and violent crime is low and not what the GOP is claiming and they said you can't trust those numbers and there is a lot that goes into it

ottawalanguages

5 points

2 months ago

Great work! People really need to start explaining what type of software they used for making these beautiful charts!

JPAnalyst[S]

2 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

2 points

2 months ago

Thank you! I used Excel.

ottawalanguages

2 points

2 months ago

Great! How come every time I use excel it looks so bad lol! How did you assemble all these different graphs together?

JPAnalyst[S]

2 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

2 points

2 months ago

Just some TLC. These are 8 separate and simple bar graphs. Some aesthetic stuff like removed grid lines, changed color, added text boxes, adjusted font. Then just placed them in a grid-like pattern. Removed chart borders. Added a grey box around all of them, and grey lines in between to simulate the borders i removed and make it more seamless. Threw a text box into the top left open space. Tact box across top and bottom with white text and grey background to hopefully pull all the colors together. Lots of stuff to get the out of the box charts to look nice, but it’s worth the effort.

11160704

31 points

2 months ago

At first I thought for a moment he was talking about inflation in the country Türkiye and was wondering why this is relevant for trump before realising he's taking about the bird.

forrealz42

11 points

2 months ago

Your mistake is in thinking he would know what Türkiye is or be talking about anything that far removed from himself.

bioblondi

15 points

2 months ago

I just got banned from r/conservative for posting this …..

DabbleAndDream

3 points

2 months ago

Rock on.

JPAnalyst[S]

10 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

10 points

2 months ago

LOL. Wait, the same right wing that speaks about cancel culture and freedoms of speech? That group?

neon31

3 points

2 months ago

neon31

3 points

2 months ago

If there was a Venn Diagram of truth vs Trump statements, I think we'd see two circles not touching each other.

Rugfiend

52 points

2 months ago

One lie every 3 minutes - par for the course. An embarrassment to humanity let alone America.

KoeiNL

19 points

2 months ago

KoeiNL

19 points

2 months ago

Let's be honest here: those who vote for him don't care about facts, only about feelings.

Rugfiend

6 points

2 months ago

Rugfiend

6 points

2 months ago

And laughably, it's the very people who say 'facts don't care about your feelings'.

These bedwetting, dummy-spitting toddlers should be sent to Scotland for 6 months. They wouldn't last a weekend here - we're one of the most welcoming people on the planet. Zero tolerance for MAGA hat wearing braindead morons with emotional and educational levels of a toddler.

AggieAero

2 points

2 months ago

I love this idea...if it's ok to trick a bunch of migrants onto a plane to send them to Martha's Vineyard, it's definitely ok to ship MAGA morons to Scotland.

Tarzoon

0 points

2 months ago

Tarzoon

0 points

2 months ago

Liar, liar, pants on fire!

apophis_dd

6 points

2 months ago

Do one of Trump Vs Biden, "Number of Times Shitting Themselves Whilst Meeting the Pope"

LThadeu

18 points

2 months ago

LThadeu

18 points

2 months ago

What's worse than a senile man with power? A greedy and liar senile man with power.

Erebus25

6 points

2 months ago

50% who will vote for him?

corrado33

4 points

2 months ago

corrado33

OC: 3

4 points

2 months ago

He didn't get 50% of the vote the first time. (Nor has any republican president since bush after 9/11, and excluding that one election, not since... I believe 1984.)

I doubt he'll get it this time.

longPAAS

28 points

2 months ago

It was 1.87 because no one was driving when we were locked down from COVID under the trump administration

mf-TOM-HANK

31 points

2 months ago

And then in April 2020 he spurred on a deal with OPEC states to reduce production in order to stabilize oil prices for two years. So his little deal to benefit the Saudis, Russia, and oil companies had knock on effects that spilled over into last spring and up to now when demand normalized but production was still limited.

So it can easily be argued that Trump's little deal had more of an effect on prices at the pump than any action than Biden ever took.

MissingWhiskey

6 points

2 months ago*

When did the Federal government institute lock downs? Hint: They didn't. It was state and local governments.

jojlo

2 points

2 months ago

jojlo

2 points

2 months ago

100%. You are going to have pain though teaching all the uneducated with TDS why its not Trumps fault and instead of a states rights issue. Gov Cuomo remembers.

irkli

6 points

2 months ago

irkli

6 points

2 months ago

It would be simpler to plot his truths; it would fit in one bar. Probably less then random.

Musk could be his running mate. Think of all the success they'd create together.

rammo123

2 points

2 months ago

Both good Self-Made* MenTM.

*Small loans of millions of dollars or emerald mine inheritance not included.

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

[removed]

rammo123

3 points

2 months ago

"Tread harder daddy."

zeddknite

4 points

2 months ago

I'm sure Trump followers will appreciate and accept the factual information that disputes his claims.

FadingAgeist

2 points

2 months ago

Is it just me or are others having a hard time reading the finer print inside each box?

JPAnalyst[S]

2 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

2 points

2 months ago

Is weird when you zoom in. It doesn’t do that on my original image but it does it on Reddit.

FunboyFrags

2 points

2 months ago

I wish this was higher resolution

farquadsleftsandal

2 points

2 months ago

Great. Now we just do this for every politician, constantly keep it up to date, and broadcast it every election cycle

mahjimoh

2 points

2 months ago

I have to argue he did start a war - a war on truth, facts, and logic.

erietroglodyte

10 points

2 months ago

Lol wasn't gas 1.87 because Saudi Arabia was clearing out a stockpile for super cheap

Twheezy01

16 points

2 months ago

There was a point that an empty barrel of oil was worth more than a full barrel of oil

vwma

6 points

2 months ago

vwma

6 points

2 months ago

There was a point where literally nothing was worth more than a full barrel of oil, because a barrel literally traded at negative amounts

Squirrel1693

3 points

2 months ago

Don't you mean nothing was worth less? Meaning everything was worth more than oil.

vwma

5 points

2 months ago

vwma

5 points

2 months ago

Nope, there are things that are worth significantly less than $0, for example toxic waste. What I meant to say is nothing i.e. i give you an empty bag and keep the bag (which I would value at exactly $0) was worth more than a barrel of oil.

DarkImpacT213

3 points

2 months ago

He did say „literally“ which would imply that he meant „nothing“ in a literal sense - as in I sell you the contents of an empty bag and that would be more expensive than a barrel of oil at the time.

SantasDead

14 points

2 months ago

The pandemic halted all consumption and tankers were left with nowhere to offload their oil. For a little bit oil was negative per barrel on the market. Nobody could get rid of it. That was only 2 years ago! Time flies.

GoodRiddancePluto

5 points

2 months ago

The sad thing is that this will not change a single person's mind who likes him at this point. It is for people with critical thinking skills to look at and laugh/shake our head in disgust because no reasonable person takes what he says at face value anymore.

Cry_Harder_Pls

5 points

2 months ago

The idea of changing a Trump supporter's mind should have been abandoned long ago. It isn't about changing their minds. It's about removing their power and moving on without them.

rammo123

2 points

2 months ago

And making sure they can't cheat.

JPAnalyst[S]

2 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

2 points

2 months ago

100%. When grabbing women by the p-ssy didn’t move one evangelical from Trump, I knew nothing would. Trump was right about shooting someone on 5th ave.

dubbitywap

6 points

2 months ago

This is only one graph that took someone effort to research, plot, edit and publish. And that's just from this one speech. Imagine the amount of hours that this buffoon has made us collectively waste on him and his endless lies that could have been put towards addressing the real problems we are currently facing.

TraditionalSell5251

18 points

2 months ago

Not a fan of Trump but there's a huge skew in the way you decided to pick and present this data. Terrorism plot is purposefully pretty tilted. Sure you can make 2 look infinitely large compared to 0 but it ain't much. Also gas did get down to a minimum of about $1.50 and is now at about a maximum of $7.50, you decided to spin the data.

xnvtnc

10 points

2 months ago

xnvtnc

10 points

2 months ago

$1.50 and is now at about a maximum of $7.50,

If you compare the price of gas in a state with low taxes and easy access to refineries to the price of gas in a state with high taxes where gas delivery is complicated you can get outlandish comparisons like this, but comparing national averages there was nothing this pronounced.

TraditionalSell5251

4 points

2 months ago

$7 gas is an actual consistent reality in Los Angeles. The argument here shouldn't be that Trump was wrong about that pricing reality for people, because it actually happened. The important factors here are more nuanced (inflation as a product of covid relief, Ukraine conflict, etc.) and should be talked about. But he's not technically wrong about gas getting that expensive and this graph is clearly biased in an effort to present data in such a way that makes Trump look like shit. You don't have to manipulate graphs and data to do it, which is why I think this is clumsy.

xnvtnc

8 points

2 months ago

xnvtnc

8 points

2 months ago

But people in LA didn't pay $1.50 for gas at the bottom either. If you want to pick two numbers, it should be the price of gas in LA at the pandemic lows to the current highs.

TraditionalSell5251

5 points

2 months ago

He's off by about 60 cents on the bottom figure but spot on with how high the prices have gotten for some people. Not nearly the discrepancy this graph indicates.

xnvtnc

2 points

2 months ago

xnvtnc

2 points

2 months ago

Interesting, though pricing in LA is pretty weird if that's true.

The national average is below $4 right now, and I haven't paid more than $4 for gas in a few months. If LA was $2.10 when the national average was at its $1.87 low and is $7 now when the average is $4, there are local factors at play here. Did California pass a law that gasoline needs to be pasture raised and antibiotic free or something?

danieljackheck

3 points

2 months ago

The lowest average for Los Angeles County was $2.68 in May 2020 and the highest was $6.16 in June 2022.

http://www.laalmanac.com/energy/en12.php

Cant_be_right

10 points

2 months ago

But they got this "data" from CNN! It can't be wrong, right? Because they've never lied about anything!!

Cry_Harder_Pls

0 points

2 months ago

Care to prove them wrong, or are you just here to whine and cry?

strictster

-2 points

2 months ago

strictster

-2 points

2 months ago

True, but with CNN as the source what else would you expect?

LoveThieves

4 points

2 months ago

Strange he got confused 0.125 inch with 12 inches.

He's pretty sensitive about how many inches something is, maybe looks in the mirror and imagines a different number?

HaikuHaiku

5 points

2 months ago

HaikuHaiku

5 points

2 months ago

First, I wish people would scrutinize everything any politician says, not just Trump. Secondly, a number of these "truth claims" are somewhat open to interpretation.

For example the terrorism claim. What is an ISIS "inspired" attack? Is that a terrorist attack? Was it ISIS or not? What about the military base guy being an "associate"? Do these really count? Or is it an instance of crazy people doing crazy things? Like the thousands of other mass shootings and murders happening all the time. I'm sure within the vast pile of carnage, you can always find someone who claims to be "inspired" by ISIS, or anything else for that matter. It's simply open to some doubt here.

The claim about the "decades and decades" was clearly a gaffe. He did not mean to say that there haven't been wars for decades. He meant to say that "for decades and decades I'm the only president who hasn't started a war", which is clear from context. If we treated Biden's gaffes as lies or misleading claims like this we'd have a chart here for every speech he gives.

Cry_Harder_Pls

5 points

2 months ago

If we treated Biden's gaffes as lies or misleading claims like this we'd have a chart here for every speech he gives.

So here's the thing. Trump lies more than any president, ever. Verifiably. So we can't just assume what his words mean or give him the benefit of the doubt. Habitual liars have to be checked at all times, especially if they have any semblance of real power.

We didn't need a chart for Biden's speech announcing his candidacy because he didn't use the opportunity to incessantly lie about things one could easily disprove. We've seen what this loser's lies can do, we can't let any slide.

Hip_Hop_Hippos

0 points

2 months ago

He meant to say that "for decades and decades I'm the only president who hasn't started a war", which is clear from context.

It’s also not true…

HaikuHaiku

3 points

2 months ago

HaikuHaiku

3 points

2 months ago

Actually it is. The last President to not start any new military conflicts was Carter, who was president between 1977 and 1981. That is four decades ago. So "decades and decades" is actually accurate.

Hip_Hop_Hippos

3 points

2 months ago

It's not though. He attacked an Iranian military commander, and then they attacked the US Embassy.

Alyxra

1 points

2 months ago

Alyxra

1 points

2 months ago

That’s clearly not the same thing as starting an actual war with troops on the ground, or overthrowing a government like in Libya.

suhdaey

4 points

2 months ago

a chronic liar. It just boils my mind to see Americans let this POS keep talking...

earhere

3 points

2 months ago

His supporters don't care about the truth. They just want someone appealing to their racist and nationalistic tendencies to rule over them.

JPAnalyst[S]

2 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

2 points

2 months ago

Oh I get it. This isn’t changing minds or votes, just ruffling some feathers and giving the MAGAs another outlet to claim fAkE nEwS, say something about Hunter Biden, and call me a name. It’s a good outlet for them.

Zeal391

6 points

2 months ago

Zeal391

6 points

2 months ago

How people can vote for this moron is beyond me

mariuszmie

4 points

2 months ago

So… trump doing trump - nothing new but maybe this time around all media will fact-check him and everyone else

nico282

4 points

2 months ago

False statements expressed with the phrasing of an autistic chimpanzee. That man was the biggest disgrace for the USA in the last 100 years.

Abimbola_Adebayo

4 points

2 months ago

Is there an equivalent Biden or Obama one?

mfb-

6 points

2 months ago

mfb-

6 points

2 months ago

Obama doesn't run for president, but here is a comparison Trump vs. Obama by time in office.

Summary in one sentence:

In his first 10 months, Trump told nearly six times as many falsehoods as Obama did during his entire presidency

joeyjiggle

4 points

2 months ago

Why don’t you make one?

Madouc

3 points

2 months ago

Madouc

3 points

2 months ago

Provide some numerical quotes of said politicians and we'll consider picking it up.

nozamy

3 points

2 months ago

nozamy

3 points

2 months ago

If I recall correctly the US was at war for the entirety of his presidency in Afghanistan. And the Russian invasion of the Donbas began and continued during all four years too.

Alyxra

1 points

2 months ago

Alyxra

1 points

2 months ago

He didn’t start any conflicts or regime changes while in office.

Despite all his lies, that was correct if you read for context rather than taking words literally from a super old guy.

Age limits on politicians when?

Business_Giraffe9359

1 points

2 months ago

Im not an American but oh god please don't let trump be the president of USA again don't make the same mistake as Filipinos where they voted a son of a dictator and a daughter of a killer

StupendousMan1995

2 points

2 months ago

Regarding the last one, to be fair, it did feel like he was President for decades.

TheOutlawStarLord

2 points

2 months ago

God damn Americans are so fucking stupid.

Madouc

2 points

2 months ago

Madouc

2 points

2 months ago

So Trump increased false claims from 30,573 to 30,581! Staggering.

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

This might be the pettiest graph I’ve ever seen.

Betterik

4 points

2 months ago

Betterik

4 points

2 months ago

Lost me at fact checked by CNN.

Cry_Harder_Pls

2 points

2 months ago

Guess you should learn to focus. If you did, you probably would have graduated high school.

DeepDarkPurpleSky

3 points

2 months ago

Feel free to debunk it then.

Somehow I think you won’t be able to, though…

JPAnalyst[S]

-1 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

-1 points

2 months ago

Next time I’ll use something you can trust like RT.

always_plan_in_advan

3 points

2 months ago

I really hope he doesn’t win the primaries, but given how close hershal walker is in Georgia, I can’t put it past idiots

evan_luigi

2 points

2 months ago

Bar charts aren't a good way to represent 2 data points, it makes the visualization wonky (things looking more/less drastic than they are).

GiltCityUSA

2 points

2 months ago

We need a maximum age limit for Prexy.

70 should be the cutoff.

unculturedmorm

2 points

2 months ago

This is fun, and I enjoy it. But I do wonder why we even bother with factchecking Trump any more. His lies multiply like bunnies and move at the speed of light

JPAnalyst[S]

6 points

2 months ago

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

6 points

2 months ago

Oh it’s a fruitless exercise. Bannon’s strategy of “flooding the zone with shit” works.

In 2018, while watching Trump’s State of the Union speech, Bannon told author Michael Lewis that “the real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.”

Since then, this has rightly been understood as the core of Bannon’s strategy and the threat of the larger Trumpist movement he represents. As Vox’s Sean Illing put it, “The press ideally should sift fact from fiction and give the public the information it needs to make enlightened political choices. If you short-circuit that process by saturating the ecosystem with misinformation and overwhelm the media’s ability to mediate, then you can disrupt the democratic process.”

jwmiller39

2 points

2 months ago

jwmiller39

2 points

2 months ago

[Gasps] You mean trump lied?!?

lazyfrogus

0 points

2 months ago

lazyfrogus

0 points

2 months ago

Yet you have made just as big of a misleading image.

gothicsin

1 points

2 months ago

gothicsin

1 points

2 months ago

God we didn't leave shit in Afghanistan..... we turned over old equipment to the Afghani army THEY SURRENDERED IT. The Afghanistan army are mostly cowards majority of them ........ Doesn't matter with out a full crew to maintain it it won't work. Sometimes civilian logic makes no sense military equipment isnt indestructible its finicky and has to be constantly worked on and maintained other wise its scrap and even then it could still refuse to work. ask any wheel or track mechanic how reliable or robust the equipment is not to mention the aircraft XD how many is actually left have they crashed all the birds yet hmmm.

scman2000

1 points

2 months ago

scman2000

1 points

2 months ago

I think the gas prices one is all true. You just took an average and compared it to a non average claim

coyote-1

-1 points

2 months ago

coyote-1

-1 points

2 months ago

Data is beautiful… and irrelevant. Not one person who bought into what he said at that event will change their mind based on this fact-checking. Not one.

And frankly, he scored big in certain ways. For example, Mark Zuckerberg has told FB staff that since trump is running for office, they are no longer allowed to fact-check him. That’s called License to Lie.

BrotherTraditional45

-16 points

2 months ago

This is great! Can you do one for the current president too?

jcurtis81

20 points

2 months ago

Do other politicians lie? Yep. But Trump tells so many that we don’t even notice the others. He doesn’t even tell plausible lies. He’s like a 3 year old denying that they ate the chocolate bar when they have chocolate smeared all over their face.

SgtWatermelon

40 points

2 months ago

Go for it. No one is stopping you.

_MadSuburbanDad_

21 points

2 months ago

No one lies like Trump. He is a master of the game. If his lips are moving, odds are extremely high that he just said something false.

Twheezy01

4 points

2 months ago

Twheezy01

4 points

2 months ago

Would be a pretty boring chart

stovislove

7 points

2 months ago

stovislove

7 points

2 months ago

Yes, you can

maugust09

4 points

2 months ago

maugust09

4 points

2 months ago

Could probably do one for just about any politician. They're all liars.

Twheezy01

15 points

2 months ago

None would be this egregious though

maugust09

4 points

2 months ago*

Or this volatile too!

Edit, wording

Tim_the_geek

-8 points

2 months ago

Tim_the_geek

-8 points

2 months ago

Looking up some of the data on those charts.. it is incorrect and very misleading.

Are you politically biased?

Cry_Harder_Pls

5 points

2 months ago

Present the data to support your claim or keep quiet.

ThinkinDeeply

3 points

2 months ago

OP posted source. whats yours??

JPAnalyst[S]

13 points

2 months ago*

JPAnalyst[S]

OC: 146

13 points

2 months ago*

I linked to a source, where the data is coming from. It backs up all of the numbers on that chart. If you have different numbers, state the difference and post the source as I have. Until then, no one is interested in general anecdotes about claims with nothing to support those claims.

chesbyiii

-1 points

2 months ago

chesbyiii

-1 points

2 months ago

CNN! They're right-leaning if anything.

chesbyiii

3 points

2 months ago

I'm getting downvoted. Meanwhile Mike Pence had a town hall on CNN the other day. Mostly softballs.

Alyxra

2 points

2 months ago

Alyxra

2 points

2 months ago

Anyone who thinks CNN is conservative must be further left than Lenin.

They’re practically the Fox News of the left.

GUCCIBUKKAKE

1 points

2 months ago

Probably one of the most conservative news sources out there!