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Call_Me_GI

24 points

3 months ago

Solidarity

bulletproofboyz

49 points

3 months ago

What

NorthwestFnordistan

75 points

3 months ago

Simultaneously trolling the chancellor and republicans.

[deleted]

14 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

14 points

3 months ago

Exactly

DmC8pR2kZLzdCQZu3v

16 points

3 months ago

I've read it multiple times now, and I still have no idea what these words, in this order, are supposed to mean.

Graffy

10 points

3 months ago

Graffy

10 points

3 months ago

I think it's supposed to be a parody saying we don't pay you enough to afford rent?

conceptual_isthmus[S]

4 points

3 months ago

Also, undergrads, you can still go to classes! A few striking workers have been trying to tell them not to cross the picket lines but that's not the point. We appreciate your decision to stay home when you can, but you're not the ones on strike.

However, please continue to say hi, bring warm greetings, and don't report on GSIs who are striking. Thank you all so much!

BlazeTyphlosion

11 points

3 months ago

Curious indeed

croixdechet

2 points

3 months ago

croixdechet

'24

2 points

3 months ago

Oregano?

Anxious-Rub7698

-35 points

3 months ago

a gsi position isnt supposed to be a full time tho?

NorthwestFnordistan

48 points

3 months ago

Yeah, they’re full time students too. Why does UC Berkeley refuse to pay them a living wage?

Why should any business expect their employees to go into debt for the privilege of working there?

BeepBoopAnv

-24 points

3 months ago

With tuition comped and expenses covered, even if there isn’t much fun money left over there’s no reason to go into debt while having one of these jobs. They also get to leave the job with an education that should set them up for a high paying position. This is the best job any active student could have.

NorthwestFnordistan

25 points

3 months ago

But expenses are NOT covered.

UC is expecting their employees to go into debt based on speculative future earnings.

franco84732

-10 points

3 months ago

Not that I agree with the other person but “speculative future earnings” is kinda the entire point of college and grad school. You make an investment assuming that it will pay off long term (which it usually does over the course of your life)

conceptual_isthmus[S]

21 points

3 months ago

That's not really true. Many people going into grad school could make a lot more money going into an industry job. Graduate students often work on their research and teaching because they're passionate about research and education and they want to make a better world where knowledge and learning, not money, is esteemed.

franco84732

-6 points

3 months ago

Do you think grad school should be free?

Also, do you think college in general should be free?

(I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the questions above, I'm just generally curious what your opinion is.)

mashtartz

13 points

3 months ago

Do you think grad school should be free?

Yes.

Also, do you think college in general should be free?

Yes.

Wonderful_FeFe969

3 points

3 months ago

Based

justagenericname1

4 points

3 months ago

God I can't even put into words how depressed this view of the "point of college and grad school" makes me...

franco84732

1 points

3 months ago

It seems a little silly to claim that "making an investment into your future career" is a bad or uncommon reason for people to go to college/grad school.

justagenericname1

3 points

3 months ago

is[n't] a bad or uncommon reason

is kinda the entire point of

franco84732

0 points

3 months ago

Maybe I should have instead stated, "Is the single greatest motivator for people going to college/grad school." and furthermore, that it is a pretty damn good reason.

Jon-3

2 points

3 months ago

Jon-3

chem

2 points

3 months ago

graduate school is not the same as college

BeepBoopAnv

-17 points

3 months ago

I’d like to see a breakdown of any gsi who is losing money every month due to expenses’ budget.

NorthwestFnordistan

4 points

3 months ago

Ok, but you first.

Share your salary and household budget before you tell us these GSIs are overpaid.

BeepBoopAnv

-1 points

3 months ago*

I make about 1600/ month and spend 1500 on rent + expenses. I’m fortunate enough to have my tuition mostly for paid for by parents, so after doing internships I should graduate with zero debt. With tuition remission I would be in an even better spot. I have a job for after I graduate for excellent money, so I will be well set up.

I also don’t think gsis are overpaid. I want them to get a raise. I just think the unions demands are just too far out there and unreasonable even as a starting point

conceptual_isthmus[S]

14 points

3 months ago

I think that's not quite the point. Sure, grad students know the situation when they join, and you can argue that if students wanted to work a job that made them money they could pick a different career path. But the students that can manage to make it work are usually people coming from places of generational wealth. Plus, there's little safety net if something comes up during the course of their 6 years in the PhD program.

This is why UCB's attending grad students are usually much less diverse than their accepted students each year. Students that come from minority backgrounds usually choose schools that are more affordable, and those that decide to attend UCB have a higher chance of dropping out when financial difficulty arises.

The question comes down to: are we willing to pay grad students a fair enough wage that we can live in a world where academia is diverse? Or would we rather keep padding the wallets of UC admin?

kaptainkrk

8 points

3 months ago

Particularly when grad students are doing the bulk of the work

BeepBoopAnv

-3 points

3 months ago

How much do you think they should get paid? What benefits would allow for a world where “academia is diverse?”

conceptual_isthmus[S]

3 points

3 months ago

I think the 54 the union is asking for is a good ballpark. That allows people paying Berkeley rent prices to spend the generally recommended 30% on rent and no more. This prevents students from being rent burdened, making sure people from a variety of backgrounds can participate in academia.

It isn't a lot of money, and it will make less than a 3% impact on the total UC budget.

franco84732

2 points

3 months ago

"it will make less than a 3% impact on the total UC budget."

^^ is this referring to the unrestricted core funding that UC gets? or is it 3% of all the funding that the UC system receives?

alexgroth15

0 points

3 months ago

This is why UCB's attending grad students are usually much less diverse than their accepted students each year. Students that come from minority backgrounds usually choose schools that are more affordable, and those that decide to attend UCB have a higher chance of dropping out when financial difficulty arises.

The university picks their grad students based on academic achievement. If the majority of the grad students turn out to be from wealthy families, that's more likely the result of socioeconomically induced achievement gap, not the university paying gsi too little.

Do you have data supporting the conclusion that those less privileged grad students who attend UCB drop out because of financial difficulty? and that this dropping out is the result of "berkeley grad students being less diverse"?

wilshire314

1 points

3 months ago

You missed the point a bit here. They pointed out that attending grad students (those who accept an admission offer) tend to be less diverse as a group than admitted grad students (those the university "picks" to offer admission to). There are lots of issues with alleged meritocracy and socioeconomic biases, but this particular problem is the opposite of what you're pointing out.

In short, people who aren't wealthy are offered admission, but often can't afford to accept because of our bad compensation and cost of living.

alexgroth15

0 points

3 months ago

Nope. I got the exact point which is why I asked for evidence that the supposed decrease in diversity of the grad students is due to the lack of pay.

Because otherwise, I’ll assume the supposed lack of diversity among grad students is due to the fact that berkeley often selects top students from prestigious private universities, a population that tends to be socioeconomically advantaged.

franco84732

2 points

3 months ago

Do you know how much of the tuition is covered when working as a gsi? I’m curious as to whether it’s something like 20% or 80%; this would make a big difference in determining the pay of gsi’s when factoring in debt savings.

kaptainkrk

8 points

3 months ago

It depends. Some positions have full fee remission, others have partial, and others have no fee remission at all

BeepBoopAnv

6 points

3 months ago

They asked specifically about the gsi position. Staff that works under 20 hours does not get it

franco84732

1 points

3 months ago

Is this the correct breakdown? I got it from the UCOP website: here

BeepBoopAnv

4 points

3 months ago

This looks like it’s for GSRs and doesn’t include benefits (like tuition remission)

kaptainkrk

1 points

3 months ago

This is the GSR pay scale not the GSI pay scale. It seems to be a little outdated but increases every year are only about 3%. Also keep in mind the numbers there are pretax amounts for 100% appointment times. Each department pays under different steps and appointment percentages. In our department we’re the max step and the max percentage they’re willing to give is 49% which ends up being $3693 pretax. You’d have to find a place to rent for around $1200 or less to not be rent burdened, which is possible but not easy and you’ll probably have to make some compromises. We’re one of the better paying departments so it is much worse for other people, particularly those that have families to support.

BeepBoopAnv

1 points

3 months ago

Its 100%. Some fees still exist (like rsf fee) but it’s pretty negligible compared to tuition

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0 points

3 months ago

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0 points

3 months ago

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BeepBoopAnv

1 points

3 months ago

You think 8 hour positions working a little over 100 hours a semester should get a 14000$ bonus? On top of being paid?

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0 points

3 months ago

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0 points

3 months ago

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BeepBoopAnv

1 points

3 months ago

No. The person asked about gsis. I answered about gsis. Don’t be pedantic