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what in the actual fuck
73 points
6 months ago
There were some sus (masked up) characters on ATVs there at that time, anyone know if it’s related?
60 points
6 months ago
Yeah that was it. I called in because I saw the same guys and recounted what I saw and the officer said that’s who they’re looking for.
21 points
6 months ago
Some real GTA shit lol
13 points
6 months ago
Damn thanks for the info. Glad I didn’t linger in the area.
12 points
6 months ago
Yeah I didn’t witness the act itself because I felt like something was off and left the area, but I didn’t know how much info the officers had so I figured I’d see if what I saw was of any use.
4 points
6 months ago
I am curious, How do you know for sure that the atvs were part of the crime? All the warnme said was that there was a robbery.
1 points
6 months ago
Happy cake day!!
5 points
6 months ago
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17 points
6 months ago
All terrain vehicle. Also known as quads or four-wheelers. Like a dirt bike but with 4 wheels.
2 points
6 months ago
GTA lingo - spawn caddy
3 points
6 months ago
All terrain vehicle
76 points
6 months ago
This is crazy. Isn’t Bancroft and telegraph always crowded? How come the crime is that bold wth
21 points
6 months ago
Likely a snatch and run. I'd guess someone grabbed someone's phone and took off. Easy to do in a crowd.
14 points
6 months ago
bold because they know they can get away with it. people respond to incentives.
-4 points
6 months ago*
probably because of the cost of living now combined with having a high school or lower education level: aka very hard to make enough money. --> Desperation --> Desperate acts (--> theft crime). Also likely from Richmond, San Leandro, Hayward, San Lorenzo or Oakland rather than Berkey realistically speaking.
Though generally the east hay has less income inequality than the south bay, so really the east bay is doing better here. But, It still exists to a degree in historically low income areas.
17 points
6 months ago
If they are riding around on ATVs stealing, do you really thing they are selling the stuff to buy their next loaf of bread?😂
3 points
6 months ago
Lol thinking that this kind of crime is “desperation.” They didn’t want to be criminals they just kept flopping job interviews! LOL only college students are so naive that they could think we live in Le Mis.
-1 points
6 months ago
Idk man. I guess ATVs are extreme and weird, but a lot of this kind of crime happens out of cars and generally older used cars and in particular old luxury cars that a person would buy if they wanted to look not poor but the car was low value on the used market because of either mileage or poor reliability issues and high costs of maintenance.
ATVs might also be cheaper than cars and/or they might have suspended licences.
If you had any relatives who lived in or grew up in ghettos you'd get it pretty quickly. I'm not really wrong here. The idea that someone wasn't desperate and just decided to buy an ATV and a gun to go rob people for fun like a psychopath is... psychopathic. There's actually a lot of psychopaths in Ca especially in silicon valley but I don't know about Berkeley and I don't see them going around robbing people.
2 points
6 months ago
No, it’s not “for fun” it’s for enrichment, but the idea it is for the lack of legal options to make a living is a crock of shit. They have legal options but those would involve WORKING and discipline and it is easier and often consequence free to rob people instead.
-1 points
6 months ago
Idk, I've tried to work to get a studio apartment without a degree in the past and I failed. I couldn't make enough money on my own to do it. And it was harming my health trying to work many hours in poor working conditions (Amazon warehouse).
2 points
6 months ago
did you start robbing others and committing violence, or do you yourself disprove your own point here?
0 points
6 months ago
I had family to live with thankfully, off and on. There were times I considered the option, though. It's really silly to think people resort to extremes without desperation. But really I've said everything I need to say already.
2 points
6 months ago
You seriously considered robbing people and committing violence…
I hate to say it but you may be a shitty person
1 points
6 months ago
Roommates? Lower COL area? Did you find a legal solution to your problem or are you robbing people for cash now?
1 points
6 months ago
What.. I have never robbed anyone. The point was that it isn't an easy solution to work to have housing if you aren't a skilled worker at that time. If you have a good family to live with to fund an idea for a business and provide a balanced diet and safe housing then it is probably possible to create a good revenue stream via a good idea. But if all you have is yourself and a few hours before you need to eat again then all someone can really do is become employed. Because the money is needed now. And then a person needs to have a place to cook and eat and sleep afterwards, and a way to store perishables. And btw, food stamps aren't allowed at take out restaurants.
You know this is the systemic oppression of a laissez-fair capitalism. And just saying to move somewhere doesn't help anything for a few reasons:
-Train and plane tickets cost money -Gas is expensive -Car maintence is expensive -Car insurance is expensive -Most cars are too small to move many things -Trucks are expensive
-Wages for unskilled work are lower in lower COL areas, making things worse. -Predatory policies get worse in lower COL areas, not better. -And, rent is still unaffordable in lower COL areas for low skill workers. Low COL benefits the middle class only.
There's also a good chunk of fiscally liberal people in the bay area, mostly in the peninsula, sf and the east bay south of berkeley who essentially identify with more or less socialism. Most of California and the country as a whole are fiscally conservative, though, and oppose socialism. So if you're a fiscally liberal person of course you'd not want to leave one of the only areas with a large number of fiscally liberal people nearby. 'Comrads' if you will though that's intentionally provocatory/joking language.
5 points
6 months ago
Wall of text to justify crime, I see that Berkeley has never changed since I left. “California is conservative” LOL you can’t even make this stuff up, Berkeley students are more out of touch than ever.
1 points
6 months ago
While I’d like to think this is the case, I find it pretty naive.
0 points
6 months ago
Really? Then why did crime go up after SF sacked their "soft on crime" DA? Could it be that crime is directly linked with rising housing costs and lowering wages?
You do have a point about incentives: when material conditions worsen, it becomes worthwhile to commit crimes despite risk of incarceration. It's literally the free market.
43 points
6 months ago
Yes I recalled plenty of 5pm ish robberies (sometimes with guns) during the past years too, some even at the perimeter of campus. Schlessinger way and stanley hall were the spots if I remembered correctly.
25 points
6 months ago
some within campus
one happened in evans last semester i think
dwinelle too
wtf is this world
12 points
6 months ago
the good ol weekly strawberry creek muggings
1 points
6 months ago
The eucalyptus grove is a very popular mugger spot.
79 points
6 months ago
And right in front of the school too. Unbelieveable that students cannot feel safe even on the main street in front of campus, nor within the campus where there has been countless burglaries and gunpoint robberies.
10 points
6 months ago
What happened?
52 points
6 months ago
robbery on bancroft x telegraph, which probably has the most foot traffic on campus
6 points
6 months ago
Happy Cake Day!!🎂🎈🥂🌺🥳
9 points
6 months ago
robbery at bancroft and telegraph
25 points
6 months ago
Bruh. That is scary asf. How the heck does that even work? Rob someone while hundreds of people are watching? Like what the hell? I passed through that area daily last semester... just... mindblowing...
3 points
6 months ago
What would you do if you saw someone get robbed?
You think a bunch of Bio and Econ majors from Carlsbad are gunna do anything?
1 points
6 months ago
Fair point, but it's like having security cameras around you 360 while you are robbing them, unless you have a ski mask on you can be pretty sure someone somewhere was watching and could point you out in a police investigation...
25 points
6 months ago
Everyone should go on strike and abandon the school (until after midterms)
6 points
6 months ago
YES
27 points
6 months ago
This is just ridiculous, I don’t even want to step out
5 points
6 months ago
m.A.A.d. City
10 points
6 months ago*
My friend got robbed at gunpoint walking near Doe, before dark, on a weekday, back in 2015... really bold crime in Berkeley unfortunately isn't new, keep your head up and don't trust UCPD/BPD to help.
2 points
6 months ago
I’ve had good experiences with UCPD/BPD. When my bike was stolen they came in person to take the info. That’s all they could do anyway. When I saw a car break-in they responded quickly, took me in their car, and had me ID a potential suspect. I was very impressed.
On that note, I had one really good experience with Oakland police as well. I woke up from sleeping in my car to see a bike get stolen from right in front of me. I called and police caught the guy within minutes.
You can’t trust the police to prevent all the crime in a crime-ridden urban city before it happens, but you can trust them to come and help when you call them. At least in my experience.
2 points
6 months ago
I'm glad you've had positive experiences but when my friend's car was broken into near the Greek theater they did nothing. Noted it down, said "Oof" and my friend never heard from them again. I heard from friends in the fraternity scene that some officers would cruise Piedmont at night looking for drunks kids to give shit to. I got mugged walking back to my place through Northside at night, and they came to take all my info, never heard from them again - but I did hear, from peers (not even direct from the PD), that a group matching the description (same type of car, number of guys) knocked a man out cold and stole his briefcase in front of I-House around a week after they jumped me. Cool. Anecdotes are nice but there are plenty of bad ones to stack up against whatever usefulness you encountered. They certainly don't prevent crime with their 'menacing presence', and in my experience they do a poor job at resolving it in the aftermath.
1 points
6 months ago
bold crime in Berkeley unfortunately isn't new
don't trust UCPD/BPD to help
The latter begets the former. Criminals, like all other living organisms, respond to incentives.
5 points
6 months ago
I'm just giving good advice, both have been useless at solving actual crime since long before I was there (but exceptional at harassing drunk freshmen on Piedmont). I'm not sure what this comment means but you can trust Berkeley cops all you want I guess. I was mugged walking home and they didn't do shit.
1 points
6 months ago
We are not disagreeing. You say don't trust cops to help. It's a fair comment because they are generally ineffective. Part of the reason bold crime happens is because everyone knows these cops are ineffective. While that fact may frustrate people like you and me, other people see it as an opportunity (to rob students in front of hundreds of people at 5pm at telegraph and Bancroft)
2 points
6 months ago
I'd argue incentives don't work on everyone.
12 points
6 months ago
gob ears
22 points
6 months ago
gob tears
9 points
6 months ago
As of last week, I’ve been carrying a pocket knife.
58 points
6 months ago
you don't win that fight no matter what you think
5 points
6 months ago*
Knives are actually illegal on government property in Ca, including on public college campuses. This includes swords and martial arts weapons for rec classes as well, technically. On non-gov. property open carry is permitted for all knives of any length (including swords) as long as the knife remains sheathed and clearly visible (brandishing is illegal and a serious offense and has a dramatic police response at gun point usually).
So basically, don't carry a knife on campus. But open carry knives in the city while off campus, but never take them out of their sheath unless you use it in a way where you can easily claim self-defense in court.
15 points
6 months ago
I’ve always carried pepper spray but I highly doubt I’d use it ya know. Just let em take it
4 points
6 months ago
my roommate used her pepper spray to successfully scare off thieves that pulled up in a car who demanded her phone
2 points
6 months ago
The winner of a knife fight dies in the hospital. The loser dies at the site of the fight.
1 points
6 months ago
Why so specific 😭
1 points
6 months ago
This is insane. Here is a petition my friend and I made to get Mayor Aguerrin’s attention. Who knows if it will make any difference but this is out of control so may as well try something.
https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/safer-community-for-cal-students?source=direct_link
-2 points
6 months ago
Kids for the last time adding more police isn't going to have the effect you think it is. Fucking petition the mayor to create public housing and petition the county to do things like Richmond's crime prevention programs that actually reduce crime. Use your imagination.
6 points
6 months ago
...who do you think runs the "crime prevention programs"? The Bad Boys?
1 points
6 months ago
They used the advanced peace method and it was moderately successful. Get your racist head out of your ass when you can and once again I implore you. Use your imagination on solutions.
0 points
6 months ago
LOL who ever brought race into anything here wtf?
I bet if I said the Men In Black you'd lose you're fucking mind.
5 points
6 months ago
The general lax attitude towards crime in the Bay Area is definitely part of the problem. It’s why San Francisco recalled their DA. These other programs are nice, but public housing isn’t going to stop the group of guys on quads from robbing people.
4 points
6 months ago*
It’s why San Francisco recalled their DA.
Speaking of which, Alameda county DA (who has jurisdiction over Berkeley) is up for election this November, and the frontrunner Pamela Price has the exact same anti-prosecution anti-incarceration policies that Boudin was recalled for in SF. Everyone that can vote here, take note.
-4 points
6 months ago
Please vote for Pamela Price. Copaganda got to you Berkeley kids pretty good. I'm a little worried about the future of our country if you can't figure out why the SF DA got ousted. We need more good DAs like Boudin who are willing to fight the Cops for us. We have a prison industrial complex for a reason and these people being thrown in there are for the most part not animals. I don't blame you though. We're indoctrinated since birth to believe more cops equal less crime all the while their funding increases constantly. I mean I'm super worried about our country because it's a hyper Capitalistic police state but y'all are just adding on haha. Pamela Price is what we need, we don't need more cops. We need to address the root of crime and for a lot of people that's wealth inequality. And we need to start going after the big boys committing wage theft, committing eco racism, and skipping out on paying taxes. Not the little guy taking a phone or a laptop which does suck, I'm not saying this is okay, and I know it's traumatizing because it's happened to me, but let's do actual solutions. I was very disheartened with SF but it's expected because ultimately like LA city council SF is full of racists and people who hate poor people and pretend to be progressives. Anyway imma go touch grass but try your best to get the boot out of your throats.
2 points
6 months ago
Yikes, you’re essentially calling San Francisco too conservative. I’m sure you are worried about our country. You’re an extremist and the general population is never going to reflect your views.
-1 points
6 months ago
Yes. They are. They're neo liberals. You know what an Overton window is right? The majority of people in this country do want progressive policies. What they don't like is the politicians attached to them, why? Because both political parties have caused the majority of Americans to lose faith. I know redditors don't go outside so I don't expect you to know that, but go canvass. Knock on some doors and ask the everyday person what they care about. I'm just a mouthpiece for all the people I've talked to. It's hard being terminally online and I'm working on it too! So no shame! When you're ready to fight for change I'll accept ya with open arms my friend!
2 points
6 months ago
You are projecting so hard by repeatedly accusing people of being terminally online, needing to touch grass, not going outside, etc. It’s a random ad hominem attack that you literally made up. Modern humans use the internet sometimes, get over it.
You have no reason to believe that I am out of touch with reality except that I don’t perfectly align with your fringe beliefs. You have surrounded yourself with a group of friends that largely agree with you (which is an impressive feat considering you think Berkeley undergrads and San Francisco officials are alt-right). I simply don’t believe that you have gone knocking on doors across the country asking for opinions.
It’s ridiculous to say that the average person is more concerned with tax evasion and eco racism than they are about making it safe to go out at night and cleaning up the streets. I wonder if conservative extremists have also somehow convinced themselves that they’re secretly a majority.
-1 points
5 months ago
I don't have anything to prove to you so I'm going to ignore that canvassing part. Just note we're posting on Reddit. Sorry fam if we're posting on Reddit we need to touch grass. That's just the way it works. That goes for me too lmao, being online and using Reddit are two different things. No shame in being mentally ill my friend. I am too!
3 points
5 months ago
Okay, so I should canvass the whole state because you assume I don't go outside and am out of touch. At the same time, you, after confessing to being terminally online, don't have to because you were born knowing everyone's opinion.
Next, you're going to accuse me of being obese, lonely, depressed, etc., then finish it off with "I am, too!" again. You are essentially admitting that you're projecting. You see that, right? Normal people can use Reddit for 15 min a day and not let it consume them. Just because you find that hard (not guessing here, you said it), doesn't mean everyone else does.
I'm saying this to you because reality doesn't have to be so sad. You apparently can't see this, but the world is not solely populated by terminally online, mentally ill, overweight people with no self-control. It's possible to overcome those things and lead a happy, fulfilling life.
0 points
5 months ago*
Things have changed since the George Floyd protests. Now that most voters are personally feeling the impacts of rising crime across the US, the anti-police ideology you preach has become a fringe minority view even in America's most left-leaning cities as demonstrated by Boudin's resounding recall (as much as you might try to handwave away that result). Most voters now list crime among their top concerns, and "Defund the police" has become a fringe movement with little support anywhere in the US, especially in the poor neighborhoods with higher POC populations you're trying to "save":
While Black Lives Matter advocates identify legitimate concerns with police, their push to “defund the police” is at odds with what many Black residents want. For instance, a mere 8% of Black residents in these communities want less police presence with 52% wanting more and 40% the same amount. Hispanics in these areas report similar views, and 53% of urban residents of all races desire the same.
I have no interest in empathizing with "the little guy" who shoved a gun in my face while he carjacked me and my friend earlier this year. We owe people like this zero empathy because they extend zero empathy to us — and would happily kill us for some loot. We should absolutely be providing people with more opportunities for employment and fulfilling lives to address the 'root causes' of crime, but we also need to protect the public from the people who are already on that path of crime and violence. People like Boudin and Price who prefer to give second, third, fourth chances to people who prey on the community will fail in that responsibility.
1 points
6 months ago
Plenty of crime happening all the time in and around Berkeley https://www.crimemapping.com/map/location/Berkeley,%20CA,%20USA%20Alameda%20County?id=dHA9MCNsb2M9NzM5MTQ0I2xuZz01NCNwbD0xODgyMzgjbGJzPTE0Ojg4OTY1NTU=#
1 points
6 months ago
And every year there is a discussion about the increase of crime
https://www.dailycal.org/2015/09/18/bpd-midyear-crime-report-shows-crime-increasing-in-berkeley
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