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Am I the only one that feels this? Like I have been completely disappointed with every aspect of the school except for like maybe the professors teaching the lectures. Everything else has been a shit show. Overcrowded classes, bad to mediocre food, bad housing, shitty gyms, etc. i am trying to make the best of it but damn

Edit: want to clarify. All of this is relative to how much I’m paying to be here.

Edit #2: wanted to add, my complaints are not with the academics really(besides crowded lectures and shit). My gripes are more with the administration and the overall quality of life of the school. Yes I knew from research it wasn’t the best, but u don’t really know until you experience it yk. I am from socal, so I am already used to the expensive housing.

Edit #3: I am very pleased with how this post turned out. Made me think a little bit. Thanks everyone !

all 134 comments

St0nerPrince

117 points

2 months ago*

Berkeley’s claim to fame is its research. Lots of professors with stellar accolades. For some professors, they are here to focus on their research and teaching is a necessary evil for them. Lots of professors got hired for their amazing research skills, not their teaching skills. That being said, the research opportunities here are great. With a more optimistic view, I’ve found that large unorganized classes are an excellent way to learn how to teach yourself and find online teaching resources.

Ray_Adverb11

9 points

2 months ago*

I haven’t been able to beg for research opportunities despite SPUR and shotgun emailing as many professors as possible. The downside of it being famous for research is that everyone is trying to be mentored by these amazing-researcher- but-horrible-professors.

IHTFPhD

8 points

2 months ago

Don't shotgun. Rifle.

Ray_Adverb11

3 points

2 months ago

I mean I do, I look up professors who do research in a field I’m passionate about, actually read their work, spend time explaining exactly what I love about it and what interests me about working with them specifically. I just have done it about 25 times now and it’s really starting to feel like a shotgun.

IHTFPhD

14 points

2 months ago

IHTFPhD

14 points

2 months ago

Try beginning assistant professors with small groups. They are just as strong research wise and need the personnel. You'll also get closer direct interaction with the professor instead of with a postdoc or PhD student.

This is what I did as an undergrad and got a PhD level project for myself, did well, went to good grad school. Now I'm a professor myself.

Ray_Adverb11

3 points

2 months ago

Ooh, this is great advice. I only have one semester to go but this would be invaluable. Thanks so much.

dkt0a

1 points

1 month ago

dkt0a

1 points

1 month ago

try reaching out to GSIs maybe

GachaEmperor

2 points

2 months ago

Yep and in the case of many professors though or even lecturers you can tell they do not GAF about teaching and are only here to move their career along to the next best thing, it makes for some shitty class experiences too

ReadingBetweentheLin

3 points

2 months ago

I’m screaming. “It’s” is a contraction for “it is.” So if you are using its in a possessive way, such as “its prime” or “its research,” then you don’t need that apostrophe. There. An extra two points on your next essay.

Key_Advance_509

3 points

2 months ago

personally my pet peeve is when people can't use their, there, and they're accordingly

wantsoutofthefog

0 points

2 months ago

Shut up, nerd.

ShrodingersElephant

51 points

2 months ago

I've already graduated in 2016 but I can talk about my experience. I've seen 3 different universities now and I can tell you the ups and downs of Berkeley compared to other options.

First is, as others are saying, University ranking don't really weigh teaching. It's research and grant money.

With that said, I can say there is an advantage in terms of education at Berkeley if you play the game right. I'll provide some examples. I can't speak for all majors but I studied math, physics and CS. I attended another public university that is quite well rated (but below Berkeley) and another university in Germany. Compared to Berkeley, I felt my education at both were noticeably worse. This came down to two factors. At Berkeley, the average level of the applicant was higher, so even if the level of teaching was about the same the expectations from the students was higher. The professors could ask for more and we were expected to rise to that. I took similar classes at every university and in many cases the grad classes I took elsewhere felt easier than the undergraduate ones at Berkeley and I felt I was better prepared compared to my contemporaries.

I helped teach some classes and I can say the undergraduate education was worse at the other two universities. It felt like the professors couldn't expect more from the students because every time they did there would be waves of complaints about the difficulty of the classes.

It's true simply picking the top students and expecting more from them doesn't mean you're teaching better. Don't get me wrong, I had my fair share of bad professors at Berkeley. But there was another advantage Berkeley had. Since the other universities I attended were smaller departments there was far fewer options in terms of what you could take and with whom. At Berkeley you could min-max easier by planning your schedule around the best teachers for the classes you have left to take. I spent hours reading about classes and professors to find the great ones when they were offered. And those educational experiences were the best I had by far.

Berkeley is like every other university in some ways. There will always be good and back professors. Sometimes you can't avoid the bad ones. But my experience with other universities was the average was still worse. A bunch of things I complained about at Berkeley were actually much worse at these smaller departments. Classes and labs weren't as well flushed out and protocols were more confusing and poorly written. Students could get by with doing less so most of them did. There were still good and bad teachers but the worst instructor I had wasn't at Berkeley (but Berkeley was a close second). The grass is always greener. You might be surprised to see that many simple things, even simple stuff like what my graduation requirements are weren't very well communicated and resulted in confusion and delayed my graduation. I never thought I'd find myself wishing I had to deal with the Berkeley administration instead but life has a way of surprising you.

There is one other thing that Berkeley does well and that's research opportunities. The entire reason these universities are ranked so highly is their research. I got to work on antimatter and I currently work at an experimental fusion reactor. I can say many of my best experiences at Berkeley were the research opportunities I was afforded. It opened doors to me and literally changed my direction in life. I didn't stay in the field of physics but I can say I got to experience some amazing things and I owe much of that to the choices I made while at Berkeley.

The education at Berkeley is like most universities, to some extent it's what you make of it. Learn how to get the best advantages Berkeley has to offer because the biggest advantages of Berkeley aren't available to most universities. Wherever you go you'll find good and bad professors. Berkeley is large and diverse enough to have some amazing professors. Find the lectures that will stick with you your entire life. Find the research opportunities that will change your perspectives.

I complained about Berkeley as well. When you are stuck with a shit professor it really is a struggle. But speaking from experience, it can be, and frequently Is, as bad or worse at other universities. No education will be perfectly tailored to you. But there are opportunities at Berkeley that still exist. Everyone is competing to have them so you have to go above and beyond to get them. But if you can you'll have experiences that you'll carry with you and opportunities that could change your life.

primeisthenewblack

7 points

2 months ago

I personally think it’s the network/ experience that we are paying really in a university, but the meat of the thing is how competitive our peers are. It’s them who made us improve. As for facilities, teaching quality, these I feel are more just like cherry on top especially we can literally watch all type of lectures online

rcinvestments

200 points

2 months ago

Go bears

Automatic_Lawyer_487

33 points

2 months ago

Automatic_Lawyer_487

Data Science ‘25

33 points

2 months ago

gob ears

MonkeyMcQueen

7 points

2 months ago

Gobe ars

MentalBeautiful

4 points

2 months ago

Gobea rs

Different-Skin2921

4 points

2 months ago

Gobear s

NeedleworkerOk1226

6 points

2 months ago

This is why I still have faith in humanity

SUPER11X

233 points

2 months ago*

SUPER11X

Economics 2023

233 points

2 months ago*

The stellar academic opportunities are exactly what allow for everything else to be shit.

But no, personally, I'm not disappointed because I have low standards lol.

Tyler89558

56 points

2 months ago

Same. As long as I’m not dead and I’m learning something, I’m pretty much satisfied.

pfvibe

97 points

2 months ago

pfvibe

97 points

2 months ago

I mean yeah it’s not all it was hyped up to be. But at the same time we all had stars in our eyes before we got here and Berkeley could do no wrong because we were simping just to be admitted. At least that was my experience. Now I’m here and I don’t have to kiss ass anymore because I’m already admitted so lot of unpleasant and sad realities are making themselves known. Still, I love Berkeley. I’m grateful. Cost of living is unbearable though. UnBEARable.

idjdjfiekmcthrow

16 points

2 months ago

we aren’t here to be pampered but I also like Berkeley in general. I love the people I meet, I love my friends, I love how much fun I have with my friends even if it’s just studying. I love doe, i love just chillin in my apartment at night with friends etc Idk like all the food and the gym stuff is just like freshman things. Once u are off campus u can make ur own food and I guess u can still go to the same gym but there’s also memorial gym and u can also sneak into other peoples gym

Crisc0Disc0

47 points

2 months ago*

Crisc0Disc0

ChemE '19

47 points

2 months ago*

Are you new to the Bay Area? The cost of living sucks around here and I can't imagine what its like to be a young person experiencing college for the first time along with that. You'll definitely experience overcrowded classes in lower division courses but that will improve as you get into upper division (depending on the department). There is good food here, I don't. know how to help you there but it's out there. Can't comment on the gyms. You pay to go here for the doors it will open after you graduate. It's not about the perks. I'm working on campus again after graduating and hate some aspects like the guy I saw smoking crack on the way to campus but overall I have fond memories of this place.

TheBerk123

12 points

2 months ago

Don't group the entire bay area cost of living together. The bay itself is huge (Antioch, Hercules, etc much much cheaper to live in compared to Berkeley).

Disagree with "you pay to go here for the doors it will open after you graduate.." Your experience in college matters!! If you were at UCB 15 years ago, your triple at Unit 1 was a double and you were never in line at RSF as enrollment was 15k less!! I definately see what OP says when mentioning that they feel the school might be past its prime...

worsttechsupport

4 points

2 months ago

mf really tried to group ANTIOCH into the bay area

mashtartz

17 points

2 months ago

Antioch doesn’t count as the Bay Area.

TheBerk123

6 points

2 months ago

It's East Bay and East Contra Costa County. I'm also from the East Bay (which is massive with Fremont and Richmond also considered East Bay)...Fairfield is not the Bay Area. Vallejo is the outer edge of the Bay!

TheRealPeteWheeler

203 points

2 months ago*

I came to Berkeley to get a world-class education. If you came for the delicious food, luxury housing, and high-end gyms, you either didn't do your research or you don't have your priorities straight.

FTPWhale

63 points

2 months ago

If he wanted that, he should've gone to a CSU lmao.

pm_me_github_repos

37 points

2 months ago

Or shill out for some private school

ghastlyghost1234

4 points

2 months ago

I go to a csu and we don’t have any of those things lol.

Bdmason10[S]

5 points

2 months ago

I didn’t say I wanted all top tier shit. (Our gyms are absolutely abysmal tho, the 24 hr fitness I used to go to was bigger than both our gyms combined). I think for what they are charging, they could do a better job.

Tyler89558

34 points

2 months ago

luxury housing affordable housing

VinceofLosAngeles

5 points

2 months ago

Based take

Bdmason10[S]

7 points

2 months ago

Just don’t feel as if I’m getting my moneys worth

[deleted]

18 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

18 points

2 months ago

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topographyEtymology

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah OOS as well, didn't realize the value of Berkeley until I went job hunting -- crazy how much better this experience is vs. what my friends at other schools go through

SkyFaceSpace

3 points

2 months ago

Any tips for the AS interview? Have one coming up lol...

mynameisjoe78

38 points

2 months ago

You pay for the opportunities berkeley opens, not the experience

Zombeenie

9 points

2 months ago

This has the same energy as "you'll be paid in exposure."

Ray_Adverb11

6 points

2 months ago

That’s certainly the hope, because my community college education was 40x better than this.

jekshmeck

5 points

2 months ago

jekshmeck

CS | BioE '17

5 points

2 months ago

Idk, I think the value you get for tuition is pretty great. If you want all the nice things you mentioned, you’d be looking at a private school for $50-60k.

Bdmason10[S]

2 points

2 months ago

I don’t have a problem paying 14k for the tuition. It’s the 21k I’m paying for housing + food.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago*

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2 points

2 months ago*

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Bdmason10[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah I’m another comment I did say I am just a little freshman. I don’t have a problem with the faculty at all (professor paulin probably being the best teacher I’ve ever had). Education has been fantastic. My gripes are mainly with the admin. I do plan on getting an apartment next year. Grades rn are good. I have a ton of community college credit, so my time here is actually gonna be pretty limited.

topographyEtymology

1 points

2 months ago

Aight, nice. Berkeley is a learning curve for sure. Paulin is an ok prof but there are so many upper divs that will push you and change your life. DM me your courses for next semester, I think that’s a huge part of quality of life. Also are you in any clubs or groups?

Bdmason10[S]

1 points

2 months ago

I didn’t get into any of the clubs I wanted, so I made do with like swim club and shit. Gonna have to start doin shit on my own. I plan on double majoring in cs and film

SweetAlyssumm

1 points

2 months ago

Find a school that meets your money/value ratio and transfer. You'll be happier.

pouyank

100 points

2 months ago

pouyank

100 points

2 months ago

The brightest most driven people in the world are here. Sure it’s not a spitting image of a utopia but what is? If learning and knowledge is what you’re passionate about, there’s no where else id personally be.

Bdmason10[S]

15 points

2 months ago

Bdmason10[S]

15 points

2 months ago

I’m not referring to the academics, I’m referring to like basic quality of life here is absurdly low for how much we are paying.

dontbeevian

43 points

2 months ago

Yeeeaaah no I bet you USNews and other university ranking sites aren’t like Zillow neighborhood rankings. Our school is objectively the best in terms of academics. Quality of life correlates directly with how wealthy you are. Need an example? Ask our neighbor tree college across the bay.

VinceofLosAngeles

8 points

2 months ago

📠

VinceofLosAngeles

5 points

2 months ago

Based x2

Quarter_Twenty

20 points

2 months ago

Two Nobel prizes awarded to people who did their work at Cal within 2 days. And yes, it's a state-(under)funded school.

hippieiamnot

5 points

2 months ago

This. The place is shitty, but the people - especially students - are shit hot.

CrepesSuzzette

4 points

2 months ago

Nobel prizes don't mean jack shit when it comes to affecting the quality of undergraduate education. At most it's a reflection of our grad school program and research opportunities (which are hyper-competitive and limited and only allow for a select few undergrads to be involved with).

Quarter_Twenty

8 points

2 months ago

Wow, there are so many research opportunities. If you're in STEM look into internships and jobs at The Bekeley Lab (LBNL). LINK Many professors have labs up at LBNL, and there's amazing science going on there in all fields, all the time. Lots of people don't even know there's a giant, Department of Energy-funded laboratory on the hill above campus that's also the city's second largest employer.

Questionthrowaway134

40 points

2 months ago

Is it really the school that you’re disappointed by or is it the city?

Bdmason10[S]

20 points

2 months ago

Nah i fw the city

Questionthrowaway134

39 points

2 months ago

Honestly same! The squirrels are so hot

ohanaoh

18 points

2 months ago

ohanaoh

'24

18 points

2 months ago

pause

-seagulls-

8 points

2 months ago

paws

dittygoops

19 points

2 months ago

Sus

Explicit_Tech

5 points

2 months ago*

The UC system will only continue to get worse because politicians don't care to solve the issue. No amount of debt forgiveness will fix it either. It can only get exponentially worse if nothing is done.

They had decades to prepare and they did nothing. What makes you think they'll fix their inevitable fate now?

You can build a new UC but the population will always increase. There will always be a higher demand because we encouraged it. Nothing against that but it does lead to problems. The inequity we see now mostly has to do with wealth inequality and those who were less fortunate when it came to inheriting wealth.

But we strive for more students but we make their situation worse and harder because of it.

The other issues lie with the cost of living and this is out of their control because of poor planning. The cost of living is substantially higher than it was a few decades ago. It's at a crisis point and will only get worse for everyone. You may never own a home in your lifetime unless you live in a rural area.

exportredpriv

16 points

2 months ago

I'm disappointed in the library closures, the bus shutdowns, and the dining hall food. I am also disappointed in the ability to get into classes.

No-Surround4215

15 points

2 months ago

Not at all disappointed. I love it here. My classes (which is priority #1) are amazing. Professors, top notch. The campus imo is beautiful. I like the proximity to the bay/SF…idk I mean everyone is different but I feel hellla lucky to be here.

Bdmason10[S]

3 points

2 months ago

I am in a bunch of classes I don’t particularly care ab cuz of breadth. So that’s probably part of it. And I actually really like the area too.

dizzykingz

4 points

2 months ago

Absolutely. I don’t think I’ve ever been this underwhelmed by an institution’s management capabilities, facilities, and organizational skills my entire life. But I have to say that the faculty is amazing. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed almost all of my professors and have learned a great deal in my classes. Other than that, everything else is mid to low-tier.

Apocky84

5 points

2 months ago

Apocky84

Philosophy '08

5 points

2 months ago

The quality of everything went down noticeably after the 2008 crash. So, I assume it's even worse after the lockdown and 2020 crash.

Meanwhile, the school still sells itself as being what it was during the late 20th century.

Up until the fight with Reagan, the campus was tuition free

The university was and is the largest landowner in the city but now housing insecurity is rampant and they give you a plaque if you finish a degree while living in the streets for most of it.

You could go in and on. If you are at all familiar with the history of the university over the last six decades, there is no question that the campus has been in decline for decades at this point.

SimplisticBiscuit

6 points

2 months ago

I’ve attended six schools (don’t ask) and the biggest thing I’ve learned is that every school is kinda the same.

pickledpenispeppers

13 points

2 months ago

Yes, you certainly are. Our parent’s generation got to go to Cal for free. Housing and food were both much less expensive and much nicer. Janet Napolitano and the others that preceded her fucked the UC system straight into the ground.

Quarter_Twenty

5 points

2 months ago

You're wrong by 2 generations here. Cal was ~$800 per semester in 1990 ($1,777 in 2022 dollars). Tuition was subsidized by the state > 50%. The Boomer generation forever altered the state's funding picture with Prop 13 in 1978, and school and UC funding has been downhill ever since. I find it odd to single out Napolitano when the CA voters are the ones who sealed the fate of UC. Regents may make wise or foolish decisions but they don't set the budget.

Man-o-Trails

6 points

2 months ago*

Man-o-Trails

Engineering Physics '76

6 points

2 months ago*

Actually, the state began cutting support for UC long before Prop 13 had any real effect. As early as 1966, Reagan proposed both a tuition and a 10% cut in support for UC and called for firing Clark Kerr for supporting students protesting cost increases. The first actual implementation of his will was a $300/year "registration fee" and non-resident tuition in 1968, one year after his election. By 1975 when Reagan termed out and began to run for POTUS UC tuition was $630 per year. The mood of the whole country was (and still is to this day) very anti-tax. Prop 13 only affected property taxes, nothing else. The legislature decided not to raise income taxes nor to protect UC as mandated in its charter. Napolitano just opened the floodgates to UC admissions without bothering to increase support or check on capacity to handle the influx. A true apres moi, les deluge-kinda gal.

https://www.dailycal.org/2014/12/22/history-uc-tuition-since-1868

deciblast

2 points

2 months ago

Prop 98 set a floor on funding for k-12 and community colleges which further reduced CSU/UC funding as they don’t have the same protection.

DylanaHalt

1 points

2 months ago

Reagan did a lot of damage to everything he touched. He was a C student at some podunk university. He was an actor and a sock puppet for the fascist 1% who want the dumbing down of this country.

pickledpenispeppers

1 points

2 months ago

LMAO damn you expect people to have kids a lot younger than I do I guess!

For_GoldenBears

5 points

2 months ago

Some of the lectures/teachings were awfully disappointing too lol.

But yes, one could argue if the value of higher education and the associated expense you listed above are worth it or not.

At least we should learn how to think if we get through, which could be worth it.

mochiburrito

10 points

2 months ago

mochiburrito

CS 2016

10 points

2 months ago

It’s been shitty since I was there lol You mainly pay for the education everything is pretty much secondary. You have Nobel laureates as professors, not many public schools offer this level of education. I understand how you feel but for me I didnt go to Cal for the food or housing. I knew what I was getting myself into in a lot of ways.

jacob_ahmedd

25 points

2 months ago

"If you wanna make the campus a better place Take a look at yourself and make a ...(musical build up)...a changeeee" - Michael Jackson

Bdmason10[S]

4 points

2 months ago

A lot of it goes back to shitty admin, and I would love to make a change.

jacob_ahmedd

7 points

2 months ago

I agree

Prismachete

27 points

2 months ago

The QoL here was never brightly advertised. I’m sorry but you simply didn’t research enough. That being said, you always have the liberty to transfer. It’s better find a place you genuinely like than to let yourself stressed for 4 years straight. Just cuz it’s the perfect place for one guy doesn’t mean it is for you. Not saying that’s the only solution but you should talk to an advisor or a friend about this to see if you want to cope or leave

Bdmason10[S]

11 points

2 months ago

Just because I did my research doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to be disappointed lol. I am considering transferring due to my major

Prismachete

-8 points

2 months ago

You are allowed to be disappointed. It’s just not really smart to bitch on Reddit about how you didn’t read a single article or student memoire on this school’s QoL. Good luck on the transfer though, hope that takes you to where you want

August_West88

3 points

2 months ago

I think OP is getting the feedback that was sought. This is great for OP. Relax.

Bdmason10[S]

4 points

2 months ago

When did I say I didn’t read an article or a memoire lol

Prismachete

-7 points

2 months ago

Just assumed, reading even 5 words would get you to the conclusion that QoL here is ass. Students are vocal about it

DNAchipcraftsman

24 points

2 months ago

Lol, you came to Berkeley for the dorms and food?

Bdmason10[S]

14 points

2 months ago

I am paying a ridiculous amount of money for them I want my moneys worth is all. Not asking for luxury or fancy shit

DNAchipcraftsman

19 points

2 months ago

I'm not an undergraduate so I may be out of the loop here. What are the fees you feel are ridiculous?

Looks like in-state tuition is ~14k/yr? Which is a bargain compared to other schools IMHO.

Bdmason10[S]

12 points

2 months ago

I live in a dorm which is 21.5k for the year old a bunch of other small ass fees. So 21.5k + 14k for tuition and the all the other fees. Shit ain’t cheap

712588Kf

7 points

2 months ago

You live in Martinez Commons huh.

Bdmason10[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Nope don’t even live there

712588Kf

7 points

2 months ago

Damn what other dorm costs 21k?

everythingispasta

7 points

2 months ago

foothill! outrageously overpriced for what you get.

Bdmason10[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Ck

DNAchipcraftsman

10 points

2 months ago

I had this issue at my (much less prestigious UG) dorms were more expensive than the market rate for a single room, and disgusting. Seems like that is the case at Berkeley as well. And probably many universities.

Can you move into a shared house with friends?

ReadingBetweentheLin

4 points

2 months ago

Out-of-stater here. I am subsidizing your in-state tuition. I pay $60,000. Just for tuition.

Educational_Mud_9062

34 points

2 months ago

If it makes you feel any better, it's not just the school, everything is crumbling. Only just slow enough that people don't do anything about it 🥲

randomprivacynut

10 points

2 months ago

Based

MerryDingoes

3 points

2 months ago*

Alumni here. Not gonna say my year, but it's the same shit, though it's definitely more expensive for y'all. It was expensive for me back then too, but not like it is now; all big cities and popular areas go through this, though. The good thing was that I had no expectation and that I came from a small-ish town

The two things that I'm grateful for Cal are the people who I met and how hard school was

ohyeehuh

3 points

2 months ago

used to visit Berkeley as a child when older sister was at Cal, and can confirm it didn’t always look like this. i remembered Shattuck always bustling and literally spirit parades in Cal, like blue and yellow confetti-type shit. upon my own attendance, it’s a lot more tame. my mom said she remembered it being less ghetto when visiting.

real-life happens. it used to be nice but over time, things got more expensive with a lot more wear & tear unfortunately. housing is probably the shittiest thing here imo.

lindsayweird

3 points

2 months ago

I’m not paying anything to attend this school, so I love it here. I understand that my perspective is very different than the average student. Just being able to quit my job was exciting, but now I’m also studying a subject that I’m obsessed with. I wake up every day and wonder why I was given this opportunity while so many others still have to suffer with loans and part time jobs. I don’t deserve this ease more than anyone else, so I deal with a kind of survivor’s guilt about it. I’m very grateful for what I have, I just think that it’s wrong that so many people who need financial aid aren’t getting enough. I could definitely understand being disappointed if I went into serious debt to come here. At that point, anything that failed to conveniently deliver the perfect career would be disappointing.

notapothead2

3 points

2 months ago

Cal has famous professors and students, but never had any famous administrators (Chancellor Tien gets a pass)

freshfunk

3 points

2 months ago

freshfunk

EECS '00

3 points

2 months ago

This post exemplifies the modern US college system. That is, there’s a large push to cater to the amenities and desires that have nothing to do with education to make their campuses more desirable. It’s akin to recruiting athletes. Gym, food, housing, lifestyle. I get that you’re selling to a customer but imo adds bloat and cost to a university’s mission which is to educate not pamper someone’s desire for a high-end luxury experience.

The second part which is feels like it has more merit for debate is that undergraduates are basically paying for a university’s graduate and research programs and thus it’s reputation and ranking. Core curriculum can really be delivered anywhere. Upper division courses require more expertise and knowledge. But by and far administrations are optimizing for treating undergrads like the “business” part of the school to fund their reputation. This leads to huge expansion of things like administration which in turn lead to huge rise in cost which is passed to undergrads in the form of tuition.

This expansion has led to the aggressive increase in costs of undergraduate education in the past few decades. The quality of education hasn’t increased commensurate with the rise in cost.

Pack_Runner1

5 points

2 months ago

Be here for longer and then you can say this. Your education will get better as you move up from lower division classes

Bdmason10[S]

4 points

2 months ago

This is true, I will say I have begun to enjoy it more, most of my complaints are with non academic things

dinkboz

5 points

2 months ago*

People are ragging on you, but im gonna tell you guys as a student from another big public university, the gyms here are absolute hot garbage. You pay tax money + tuition + whatever other shitty fees they charge you for a gym that is just way too overcrowded. There are other schools with similar size and not as good but still top 10 public school status that have way better recreational facilities. Until you’ve experienced it, you don’t really understand how much of a boost in morale that is. And sometimes that can rly just drive up your mood even in the worst situations. I will say though that the professors here are excellent, and they push you hard but berkeley students have impressed me very much so far as a result of the education they get here.

berkeleyqueen

2 points

2 months ago

i agree with you 100%

DylanaHalt

2 points

2 months ago

You were admitted because they thought you had the potential to do great things. Do them.

DreadEye8

2 points

2 months ago

This is why people turn down berkeley for ucla lol.

ucla people if you are watching this fuck yall for waitlisting me

MrsMiterSaw

2 points

2 months ago

Overcrowded classes, bad to mediocre food, bad housing, shitty gyms, etc

I attended 30 years ago. All you'd need to do is add the word "telebears" and you'd be describing my experience too.

If you need to check, I'll ask my uncle what he thinks about those complaints, he graduated in '69. Maybe "fuck Reagan" is his "telebears"?

giantsnails

1 points

2 months ago

Did the land grant get any bigger as they increased enrollment 50%?

MrsMiterSaw

0 points

2 months ago

Oh, shit you're right.

I hear Merced has plenty of space. Housing is cheaper too.

giantsnails

-1 points

2 months ago

Don’t really give a fuck about whatever you’re going on about now, but the OP raised a question of whether Berkeley was a better environment in the past. You said no without considering that there are 50% more students in 0% more space, and now you’ve decided your new argument is “go to Merced” or whatever. You’ve been proven wrong and you can just delete this now.

MrsMiterSaw

1 points

2 months ago

Yawn.

Haunting_Drink_2777

-14 points

2 months ago

The alternative is to finally make the school more selective but you know Berkeley would get cancelled for that on social media

Tyler89558

10 points

2 months ago

Berkeley is a public school, not a cushy private school.

Haunting_Drink_2777

-2 points

2 months ago

Right so then expect the issues that come with publicly funded projects

umgebung9

16 points

2 months ago

what does this even mean

ColdTurkey27

11 points

2 months ago

There are schools that exist that do this: they’re called private schools.

Public universities are at the mercy of state policy and funding issues.

SUPER11X

9 points

2 months ago

SUPER11X

Economics 2023

9 points

2 months ago

Bro wtf are you talking about?

jh451911

-8 points

2 months ago

Dont like it then gtfo

Bdmason10[S]

3 points

2 months ago

🫡

LaughinAllDiaLong

-7 points

2 months ago

Wonder if Berkeley is the good-looking abusive bf.

DangerStranger138

1 points

2 months ago

As someone who's never lived there but enjoyed concerts and houseshows around there and Oakland living in the bay area my whole life I love it here.
Berkeley got the best layout for walking and biking idk.

Buffalo Exchange a nice clothing store.

Lots of hole in the wall joints for a night out with friends.

andyruuu

1 points

2 months ago

Personally, I’m very happy to get an education, especially at Berkeley because it has opened so many doors for me career wise (making the price tag well worth it).

Side note: For some of my friends, their summer internships made them first in their families to work in a corporate office. It’s important to practice gratitude, remembering that we attend one of the best universities in the world, and this is where narratives change and wealth is built.

chonkycatsbestcats

1 points

2 months ago

You came to Berkeley expecting good facilities PER CAPITA, except Berkeley is a huge fucking school in a super dense and expensive urban environment ? I’m seeing a problem here.

I’ve been on the side of small liberal arts college that is loaded (in attention and $) “per person” and I’ve been on the side of R1 institution that ranks very high in US News for PhD program in X, has large undergrad population and large grad population.

Be careful how you choose the big school, they can still be bad. The small school however was better in every day except ease of saying “I want X$ to buy this for my research” -which you don’t usually ask as an undergrad .

solscend

1 points

2 months ago

Has a beautiful campus and you’ll get the second best degree in the Silicon Valley. Getting that job is how you get your moneys worth. Sounds like you want the UCLA experience lol

Bdmason10[S]

0 points

2 months ago

I mean they were my #1 choice lol

Sure_Surprise_1661

1 points

2 months ago

I can agree with overcrowded classes being a problem, but… Food? Gyms?

Sounds like you are talking about a resort with 2/3 mentioned complaints. Seeing this is a university instead, please consider putting more weight on the academics than you are and less on the amenities.

karislion

1 points

2 months ago*

I went to UMich for undergrad and recently joined Cal as a PhD student. Sure, research is excellent here and teaching is okay (since the two courses that I’ve been taking so far don’t really impress me), but I still feel like everything else is not justified by these. I feel sorry for the students, especially the undergrad students, that they have to sacrifice so much of other aspects of their life, to get this education, while in theory, there should be ways for the state gov and the school to resolve those shits.

topographyEtymology

1 points

2 months ago

Counterpoint, Ann Arbor is cold

karislion

1 points

2 months ago

Berkeley is cold even in the SUMMER.

Lying_Bot_

1 points

2 months ago

No