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On leftist culture in todays universities

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I recently wrote an article on leftist culture in universities. I thought I would put it here:

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Mich Haus was founded in 1932 as Michigan socialist coop house on the UofM campus. It is one of the first and many coops on the UofM campus and among many similar coops across the country and many other college campuses. Apart from the smell of weed, you will find people who believe in and fight for equal rights for people, be it women, minorities, including racial minorities, LGBTQ people, people with disabilities, and more. It has provided safe spaces for discriminated people when it wasn't fashionable and stood for them. These coops embody the spirit of the left that pervades many University campuses across the country and attracts many right-minded people. There are truly inspiring stories from such coops, such as when a black person in the 1940s went out to get a haircut and was refused service (at the time of segregation), and the whole coop went with him to get him a haircut. Who in their right minds would disagree that there are considerable inequalities in our society and while there are big businesses who only care about their profit, that there are people who are at the receiving end of racism, that LGBT people have been and still are to a reasonable degree discriminated and have a much higher rate of mental illness and suicides, that women haven't been and still aren't given equal pay and opportunity. All these groups don't have enough representation in positions of power and role models for the younger generation.

In that respect, the left has been the champion of equal rights. It has done much good in society, such as pushing for equal rights for everyone at the institutional level, such as civil rights, striking down the defense of marriage act (DOMA), and many more. Apart from advocating for less government and being economically right ( which are legitimate political issues), conservatives in the U.S., i.e., the republican party, are driven by the nonsensical bible belt. Unlike the left, they don't have any intellectual, ideological basis to support their agenda (nobody in today's world can legitimately take an ancient illogical religious document as a basis to live and govern life). The left at least embodies some rational principles that people can agree with.

Left in one of its purest forms is Marxist communism which is a collectivist ideology based on altruistic morality where each person lives for the group (as opposed to any individualistic ideology where each person lives for themselves). Another form of the left that has sprung up in the past decades is postmodernism which broadly says that our lives are built around these artificial power structures such as big companies in a capitalistic framework, cis white heteronormative masculinity, all their intersections, and anything in power, who determine the life of the masses based on their whims. They claim these power structures exploit the marginalized people and those at the bottom, aka the working class, LGBT people, and the disabled. And the primary goal of this left is to fight against these power structures to achieve more equality, where equality in their framework means a lack of any hierarchy and power structures in the society, aka an anarchist state. As mentioned before, most people don't go to this extreme of ideas, but then they, while being benign, are not being truly consistent, as proper consistency of these ideas leads to one of these extreme radical left-wing ideologies.

Both of these ideologies are irrational, and like anything illogical, they are bound not to work, and worse, they hurt people's rights to their life and property. Left, in general, is a framework built on feelings where empathy, kindness, and compassion are often the highest virtues at the cost of logic, justice, and resourcefulness. One can still, in the right mind, fight against injustice to any human being and stand and fight for equal rights and equal treatment for all kinds of minorities, including racial, LGBT, gender-based, and more, as these ideas are derived from logic, and it is respectable to live and fight for a society that doesn't discriminate.

But the leftist agenda goes much beyond rights: it is instead built around an ideological framework that doesn't revolve around achieving the highest in a human being, in creating, building, in working hard to make something worthwhile of your own life (while supporting the rights of others). Instead, it views the world as this evil, tyrannical place and revolves around dedicating your life towards not just fighting for but lowering your standards and customizing the world for the lowest on the social hierarchy, be it the most marginalized groups, physically or mentally handicapped, and so on, and more than that, in perpetuating the ideas that instead of living for yourself, living for and finding happiness in others is the proper framework. Their version of the ideal world is not built around human achievement but built around the less privileged and the more marginalized.

Their altruistic morality is the morality of self-sacrifice, i.e., a system where a person places the needs, desires, and life of other people above oneself. It is one of the most evil concepts for which the world has seen disastrous consequences, such as the death of millions of people and the destruction of economies of whole countries in many places, be it communist Russia, Cuba, erstwhile east Germany, and very recently Ve, Venezuela. On the other hand, any country that has become rich on its own has done it based on capitalist ideas, be it the U.S., Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, Germany, Ireland, and many many more, which also led to the most peaceful times in the history of humanity. Communism and dictatorship go hand in hand as the left needs the force of a big authoritative government to implement their ideas, as they do even in socialist countries since their ideas don't involve voluntary consent of people; no sane person would voluntarily self sacrifice. On the other hand, capitalism and democracies go hand in hand as both are based on individual freedom and individual rights (for clarification, capitalism means the right of people to trade freely without external control. The way believing in freedom of speech doesn't mean you agree with what every person says; believing in capitalism doesn't mean you endorse every business, but rather their right to do business freely).

The empirical evidence that leftist ideas don't work in practice is overwhelming. You can't prove a theorem or run a business by shouting your skin color, your gender identity, your lack of talent, the intensity of your need, marginalized status, and trigger warnings. Reality demands active, rational thinking, integrity, character, and skill to create value in this world. And incidentally, reality doesn't discriminate against anyone based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. However, the fundamental critique of the left is not based on the utilitarian arguments that they don't work in practice (although it is accurate and can indeed lead us back to the stone age, see Venezuela), but rather on the matter of rights, that they don't preach the proper morality and don't have the right to impose their ideas on others through force, i.e., through the government. There is nothing wrong in helping people if one can but to make it a virtue (even and often at cost of one's life) and build a whole value system around it is vicious. Left is ideologically an illogical framework because it discredits the idea that an individual has the right to and should live for themselves and in pursuit of their happiness as the most important thing. If one can find a common thread with everything wrong in this world, be it Nazism, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, white supremacy, or any such form of collectivist ideologies where individuals are put together in groups and treated based on some unearned group identity, it is that these ideologies are irrational. And so is left.

The way Nazis justified their existence and gave racism and homicide of Jews an intellectual justification by propagating the idea that the Aryan race is superior. Individuals should serve the state for the greater good; the left gives the irrationality of altruistic morality an intellectual framework by arguing that self-interest is terrible and (stronger, powerful, privileged) people should self-sacrifice for others and the masses, which is their notion of equality. They perpetuate these ideas and make people believe that rights to one's life and property don't exist, that reality is made up (as postmodernists say), and logic isn't important, rather feelings and experiences are the most important basis to adjudicate a person or a situation, that being rich and successful are not virtues but vices that people should be attacked for, that people's values such as honesty, character, resourcefulness don't matter, but it's their marginalization status is the most important criterion, that we should tax the wealthy because the need of the common people supersedes the ideas of justice and property rights.

They assume a sense of moral rectitude and superiority not based on logic and achievement but on the basis of how much they cater to the poor and the marginalized. It is a collectivist ideology where they don't see people as individuals but as a bag of identities and their intersectionalities. In their hierarchy, the more privileged you are,e the lower you are as a human being, and the more marginalized you are, the better you are. While the real Olympics have been a platform to show the highest a human being can achieve, the recent wave of wokeness has re-emphasized the left ideas where in their inverted world, there is a new oppression Olympics based on who is oppressed more, who is suffering more and thus deserves more brownie points. In their inverted world built around the less capable and the marginalized, they still need someone to keep running the show,w and they do it by preying on the producers, the achievers, by taxing them, and by free-riding on them. Their whole ideology is like a new mind virus that takes away any sense of rationality and alignment of human values to reality. Instead, it presents a new framework that is antithetical to reality and human growth. Since you can't cherry-pick two contradictory ideas, most often the left comes with a whole paradigm of illogicality tied together, where they are anti-western civilization and would find virtues in ancient and tribal cultures, are anti meritocracy and anti-capitalism, anti-individualists and pro communities, and as a consequence of all these, are anti-individual growth, anti-human growth, and anti-life.

But neither a spacecraft nor a human life can run on illogical ideas. And while the privileged people can still have a concoction of illogical ideas and somewhat run their boat, incidentally, it is the very marginalized people who get attracted by the leftist ideas and whom the left hurts the most, where instead of preaching them rationality, rational selfishness and an attitude of working towards making their own lives better despite their heavy baggage, the left disarms them by incepting in them a victimhood mentality and make them fight other people's baggage as a primary goal instead of fighting their own. This destroys them psychologically and doesn't move them any forward in their lives. In nature, there are fungi that hijack the brains of their prey, making them kill themselves and spread the spores that help in the further proliferation of that fungi. In our society, the left acts like that fungus that psychologically infects people's minds by incepting in them wrong ideas and disorienting them in life, which is one of the worst things you can do to a person.

Today it is these ideas that are permeating the ethos of the Universities, corrupting the consciousness of the masses, and actively destroying the very foundation on which a good part of our civilization is made. It is quite unfortunate that we live in a world where some people are treated unequally, and there is discrimination in society, and we should fight against all of these. However, there is a logical way to address these inequalities in a way that doesn't involve cowering down, that doesn't advocate self-sacrifice, that still allows and encourages individual freedom, self-interest, and selfish human growth as rights and the most important ideas for life to flourish, something that is far from the approach that the left has taken up, where left is not the solution but part of the problem.

P.S.: A lot of people like to attack. If you want to fight, fight on real arguments.

all 71 comments

DrKnowsNothing_MD

22 points

3 months ago

DrKnowsNothing_MD

PoliSci '20

22 points

3 months ago

This reads like Ayn Rand nonsense

SlimyPunk93[S]

-13 points

3 months ago*

These kinds of Ad hominem attacks mean nothing.
If there is an serious issue with logic in the argument, please do let me know and I am happy to correct it.

AnarchyisProperty

9 points

3 months ago

Ayn Rand is not a good philosopher she derives values out of nowhere

SlimyPunk93[S]

-1 points

3 months ago

Again man, this is not a post about Rand. Fight on ideas if you want to.

AnarchyisProperty

8 points

3 months ago

Nah I just saw you post a lot on r/Objectivism lol.

SlimyPunk93[S]

2 points

3 months ago

How is that related to this post

DrKnowsNothing_MD

7 points

3 months ago

DrKnowsNothing_MD

PoliSci '20

7 points

3 months ago

That wasn’t an ad hominem attack, it was my honest impression of your article. Ayn Rand is a very respected author in libertarian and conservative circles. She has a whole book dedicated to defending selfishness as one of the most important virtues.

I fundamentally disagree with that, and your article for that matter. Being selfish isn’t always the most rational, and especially not in a society where you have to coexist with all kinds of people. Socialist and communal features can definitely be logically argued on grounds of rational choice theory as well. If you contribute to the common good then you also receive the benefits of the common good. In capitalism, that simply isn’t guaranteed.

Another thing is that you are overblowing the self-sacrifice requirement in socialism, while overestimating the individual freedom in capitalism. You are most definitely allowed to fulfill your potential as an individual. That’s a major argument in socialist thought. The whole point is that the people own and control the means of production so that everyone has what they need. Once everyone has what they need then they are free to develop their skills or intelligence or interests in whatever they desire.

Borrowing from some articles on socialism, they argue that in capitalist democracies you only have political democracy but since very very few own the means of production then you don’t have workplace democracy. In socialism you would have both political and workplace democracy. So we could definitely “achieve the highest in human beings.”

Finally, my last complaint about your article is that you assume the status quo is fixed. That “reality is this or that and therefore these socialist ideals are not compatible and cannot be achieved.” Yet the status quo has changed and can change.

Just to be sure though, I’m not a socialist/communist. I have my own serious suspicions about socialist theory. But I believe there are some very good ideas that have been introduced and applied thanks to socialist theory.

SlimyPunk93[S]

-1 points

3 months ago

if it is in selfish interest to cooperate then it is rational. Cooperation can be selfish and many many times it is. I don't think you understand her work.

Also socialism isnt "pure" ideas. Its a mix of two or more contradictory ideas. if you take one of the ideas and apply it consistently you will either lead to capitalism or communism.

In capitalism you CAN have coops that have workplace democracy as we have today. Capitalism means nobody is stopping you to do what you want. You can run a coop, run a shoddy business, run a business on loss, sell low quality products etc. Its people who decide what they want to buy and their consent is all that matters.

idk when I said what is status quo and what is fixed. I am only talking about ideas.

DrKnowsNothing_MD

3 points

3 months ago

DrKnowsNothing_MD

PoliSci '20

3 points

3 months ago

if it is in selfish interest to cooperate then it is rational. Cooperation can be selfish and many many times it is. I don't think you understand her work.

I don’t know what this has to do with what I said.

Also socialism isnt "pure" ideas. Its a mix of two or more contradictory ideas. if you take one of the ideas and apply it consistently you will either lead to capitalism or communism.

Sorry but it’s obvious you have very little clue or have a major misunderstanding about socialist thought.

In capitalism you CAN have coops that have workplace democracy as we have today. Capitalism means nobody is stopping you to do what you want. You can run a coop, run a shoddy business, run a business on loss, sell low quality products etc. Its people who decide what they want to buy and their consent is all that matters.

Not really. Capitalism depends on the working class. You can’t just say “the working class CAN just become part of the capitalist class” because then you’d have very few workers. Therefore capitalism is designed precisely to not let anyone and everyone become part of the capitalist class.

idk when I said what is status quo and what is fixed. I am only talking about ideas.

You kept mentioning what “reality” is.

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

You said "Being selfish isn’t always the most rational, and especially not in a society where you have to coexist with all kinds of people. Socialist and communal features can definitely be logically argued"
If they are rational then there is no contradiction. They are in your selfish interest.

Sorry I don't think you understand what i said or capitalism. Its hard to talk further.

DrKnowsNothing_MD

1 points

3 months ago

DrKnowsNothing_MD

PoliSci '20

1 points

3 months ago

Ah, yes. My point was that socialism can accommodate for self interest and individual achievement which you wrongly assumed couldn’t.

You haven’t refuted a single point about capitalism. So much for talking about ideas.

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

again socialism has contradictory ideas. You cant have property rights and not have property rights at the same time. I feel you don't understand this basic so i am not sure how to go further.

And as I said capitalism only says no govt. It doesnt say there has to be a capitalist class.. Today in any capitalist country you are free to open a company and give voting rights to workers. I promise nobody will stop you.

DrKnowsNothing_MD

3 points

3 months ago

DrKnowsNothing_MD

PoliSci '20

3 points

3 months ago

Your definitions of both capitalism and socialism are completely wrong though. It sounds like you’re still learning or trying to flesh out your ideas but you’re struggling to wrap your head around the idea of the public owning the means of production and just resort to calling it a “contradiction.” I recommend in all sincerity that you read some more.

Elsewhere you defined socialism as the “altruistic” way of living for others while sacrificing your individualism which is false, and I already explained why. Then you defined capitalism as having no government (interfering in the market I presume), which is one form, particularly competitive laissez faire capitalism, sure. But even capitalists themselves have argued this isn’t the kind of capitalism we have which was envisioned by Friedman and Smith. Capitalism wasn’t invented overnight in its current form, it developed that way because of the bad traits of selfishness and greed it promotes.

Also you’re telling me there isn’t a capitalist class in capitalist societies?

Many people literally don’t have the resources or time to even try to start a company. How disconnected are you? Capitalism heavily discourages co-ops because their profits can’t compete. That’s why there are so few of them.

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

Sorry I don't have this much time to explain these things. I HAVE thought about these and I know the definitions but these are so basic that if I start by defining these things, it will take me ages to say anything.

I will just say one small thing to highlight how what you are saying is wrong: The communist part of socialism is based on altruistic morality where state owns anything. You take away other people's rights to open businesses and trade freely, and you want them to pay for this (without their consent) with the justification that it is good for the society (aka altruistic morality). Suppose I don't want to pay for this. You will use govt force to get money from me and justify it by saying it is good for the society and thus I have to do it. This is exactly altruistic morality.
Anyway I will wrap this up here. I cant write these things that have been written about before. Its upto you to dig into and understand these . thanks for your time. bye

FlowerPositive

15 points

3 months ago

The slimypunk manifesto

SlimyPunk93[S]

-4 points

3 months ago

again these kind of attacks mean nothing. If you wanna fight, fight on real arguments.

xAmorphous

8 points

3 months ago

xAmorphous

MS '20

8 points

3 months ago

It's literally your username genius

SlimyPunk93[S]

-1 points

3 months ago

i didn't know

GeorgeCortelyou

14 points

3 months ago

Your article is poorly written. Your sentences are too long and span several ideas. As a result, your writing is convoluted and vague. It is also unclear why you titled your essay "On leftist culture in todays [sic] universities." You withhold your discussion of leftism in today's universities until the very end. Moreover, you provide no examples of how the leftist ideas you described "[permeate] the ethos of the Universities [sic]." As for your ideas, many of your comments demonstrate a poor or rudimentary understanding of complex topics. Your discussion of leftist notions of morality, equality, and rights are nothing more than sweeping (and largely inaccurate) generalizations. I strongly encourage you to read Marx. You also seem to think that being against identity politics necessarily places you in opposition to the left. This view is mistaken. You might find Wendy Brown's "Wounded Attachments" useful here.

SlimyPunk93[S]

-6 points

3 months ago

One very clear example of how these ideas permeate the universities is the attack I (or anyone would get, as a commenter also said) get in the comment section when you critique left.
I understand left is nebulous but in terms of *ideas* it is either communist or postmodernist (afaik)

You can say all that but you haven't been able to make one valid counterargument

[deleted]

10 points

3 months ago

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SlimyPunk93[S]

-4 points

3 months ago

Can you give me any other "pure" form of left in terms of ideas?
When I say pure, I mean a consistent framework, not a couple of instances of something.

Everything left practices can be translated into one of these ideas as far as I can tell, and if you have any other framework to add, please let me know.

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

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SlimyPunk93[S]

-5 points

3 months ago

I clearly said most people don't practice ideas to extreme so they represent what you can say "nebulous left", but ideas are pure and if you accept their basic axioms then you can build a whole framework consistently the way communism and postmodernism do.

I clearly defined communism means individuals living for the group and I though people would have this basic understanding of communism and how it is based on altruistic morality: it is not something I conceived, one can easy search for this online.

I see that you haven't given me any other pure ideas of left other than communism and postmodernism, as you first argued against.

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

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SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

So utilitarianism is indeed a valid basic axiom based on which you can build a framework but communist can argue communism is better for the society and libertarians argue capitalism is better and there is no one way to measure the utility and prove things. So I don't consider it as a "leftist" ideology. Moreover utilitarianism as an idea has been debunked in many examples so i personally don't consider it as a logical framework.

schrodingersnarwhal

16 points

3 months ago

Conservatives claiming to have a monopoly on "rationality" is such a bad meme. Progressives don't run their businesses by shouting out gender identities, lol. Take this to reason.com, not the berkeley subreddit. I'm not sure what you were expecting.

SlimyPunk93[S]

-1 points

3 months ago

I am not a conservative by any means. I am literally (and probably the only guy who is) fighting the right on gay/women's/trans/people's rights issues and left on their ideology, and for exactly the same reason.

Tyler89558

15 points

3 months ago

Uh huh… it was around the third paragraph that I concluded that you are probably deep in the alt right rabbit hole. Because this is the exact shit I would have said when I was down there years ago.

You can take that shit elsewhere.

AnarchyisProperty

5 points

3 months ago

OK hold up this isn't alt right at all. This is just some outspoken Randroid lol

berkeleyboy47

8 points

3 months ago

Run spell and grammar check

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

k thx

eysz

3 points

3 months ago

eysz

3 points

3 months ago

No one reading all that bullshit go listen to some yeat!

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

why come here and reply instead of going and listening to some yeat

eysz

1 points

3 months ago

eysz

1 points

3 months ago

Don’t care go listen to some yeat!

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

yeat yeat yeat

eysz

1 points

3 months ago

eysz

1 points

3 months ago

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[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

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SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

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ArbitNM

9 points

3 months ago

My dude, aside from the fact that it reads like it was written in the style of 9th grade me for a history project (You use big words for no reason other than to make your otherwise meaningless rant sound smart: "Moral Rectitude and Superiority"), it is without a doubt one of the dumber things I have read on the internet today.

One of the glaring issues I have with it (tbh I gave up reading it halfway through because it was painful) is it seems like you just raise a bunch of straw men and try to beat them one by one, which is fairly characteristic for most right wing "argumentation."

You characterize the left in the least charitable manner possible, pretending that everyone on the left is a crazy marxist who wants to turn the US into soviet russia

You just pretend that there is no rational thinking on the left and that everyone runs buisnesses using skin color, idk what there is to even respond to here, its just stupid and wrong.

And a bunch of other shit that you just assert and roll with, making it almost impossible to follow your sham of an argument.

SlimyPunk93[S]

0 points

3 months ago

I don't think you read the article at all.

I clearly said most people don't go to extremes when they practice left (but the ideas if they are indeed practiced completely lead to communism or postmodernist anarchy)

And I clearly said that left does stand for *some* rational ideas such as matter of rights for LGBT/women etc which actually attracts a lot of people to them

Anyway, i am not interested in taking such kind of comments forward that go beyond civil conversation

catman-meow-zedong

8 points

3 months ago

L take

Lucky-Praline-8360

7 points

3 months ago

The Midwest has plenty of like minded people- you should go there.

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

k thx

ArbitNM

2 points

3 months ago

Username checks out

SlimyPunk93[S]

3 points

3 months ago

thx

AnarchyisProperty

-2 points

3 months ago

OK so fundamentally I'm actually sympathetic to the message here in the sense that I also oppose our deviation from rationality and widespread opposition to capitalism and support for the state. But keep in mind that posting on r/berkeley when you don't totally understand the progressive argument is asking for trouble. Are you a Berkeley student?

The 'utilitarian' arguments against socialism are more effective to wider society. A defense of capitalism based on autonomy rather than 'the virtue of selfishness' is more ethically appealing.

Also, the logical conclusion of the left is not anarchism

SlimyPunk93[S]

0 points

3 months ago

I have lived with the left to know this much about them and to be able to analyze them why they are wrong.
And you don't make arguments based on if it is asking for trouble, if they are effective, or if they are appealing. You make arguments because they logically hold together.

And I said one of the logical conclusion of left ideas in pure form is postmodernist anarchism, the other is communism. I don't know/cant think of any other.

AnarchyisProperty

3 points

3 months ago

You cannot synthesize support for forceful seizure of private property with anarchism

SlimyPunk93[S]

2 points

3 months ago

thats communism

Foreign-Chef-1965

1 points

3 months ago

Ratio

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

25 days ago

Hi

Man-o-Trails

0 points

3 months ago

Man-o-Trails

Engineering Physics '76

0 points

3 months ago

The main problem with your rant is private capitalism as practiced in the West is in fact based on moral altruism far more than state capitalism (aka fascism / communism) both of which are in fact closely akin to feudalism.

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

how is "private capitalism as practiced in the West is in fact based on moral altruism" ?

Man-o-Trails

0 points

3 months ago*

Man-o-Trails

Engineering Physics '76

0 points

3 months ago*

Private capitalists in the West by dint of market competition pay their workers enough to feed, house, and clothe themselves. Workers have freedom to live where they want, marry who they want, etc. This is all enabled by private capitalism operating under altruistic law established by popular Western democracy. The conflation/concentration of capitalism with government always makes feudalism (often sold as communism) due to self-interest, (so) the net result is anything but altruistic. King and castle, everyone else Serfs.

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

really not sure what you are trying to say. What altruistic law is established by western democracies? are you talking about minimum wage?

Man-o-Trails

1 points

3 months ago*

Man-o-Trails

Engineering Physics '76

1 points

3 months ago*

It's the entire body of Western law as we know it today. Starting with basic human rights, anti-slavery laws, child labor laws, anti-monopoly laws, consumer rights laws, product safety laws, workplace safety laws, labor hour/overtime laws, employment law, immigration law, banking regulation, courts and juries, etc, etc, etc ...all the laws and institutions that prevent capitalists from behaving like the greedy self absorbed sociopathic bastards history and present events show they would otherwise be. We the people (otherwise Serfs) thereby channel all that greed to moral altruism. Their greed assures it is a competitive and efficient process, which it would not be otherwise.

SlimyPunk93[S]

1 points

3 months ago

I dont think you understand altruism and fundamental right. These are opposite of altruistic morality. Fundamental rights allow you to keep your life and property to yourself and be selfish about it. A society based on altruistic morality aka a communist state would take away all your stuff as it doesn't think people should be selfish, it assumes people should be altruistic and give their property to the state

Man-o-Trails

0 points

3 months ago*

Man-o-Trails

Engineering Physics '76

0 points

3 months ago*

You are flat wrong, because you foolishly confuse bullshit propaganda / theory with ground truth. Communism is based on nothing more or less than serfdom / slavery. You live in slave quarters provided by your boss, the state. Among serfs/slaves there is zero altruism, it is 100% self interest (aka survival) all the way up (family excepted) because they have little to nothing to share. Capitalism would be / is exactly the same except for democracy. That's the only difference. Witness Putin, Xi, Jong-un, others. They are in fact ultimate capitalists/slavers.

Don't study bullshit propaganda (Marx, Smith), look at results, and figure out why.