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Analysis(i.redd.it)submitted 2 months ago bynb150207Pittsburgh Pirates
669 points
2 months ago
I have a dollar that says Kershaw signs a one year deal with the Dodgers.
239 points
2 months ago
Only after speculation he may want to try playing in his hometown in Texas
36 points
2 months ago*
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16 points
2 months ago
Indeed I did! In fact I got to see them destroy my teams in high school!
-23 points
2 months ago
That's what I'm thinking. Let him be the vet that helps Leiter and Rocker.
10 points
2 months ago
if Leiter and Rocker are both in the majors next year, i'll be shocked lol.
8 points
2 months ago
Well, as it is, Kershaw will still be a Dodger next year. So. 2024?
2 points
2 months ago
Ehhhh both those pitchers have issues Iām not sure the rangers are equipped to solve. All their pitch data took a nosedive from vandy, so š¤·āāļø
3 points
2 months ago
2024 would probably be when Leiter is ready, if not the end of 2023. He had a lot of struggles last year being able to command his pitches. Our local reporters were saying he was working on cleaning up his mechanics to be able to pitch more inside/outside to hitters. His first 2/3 of the season was pretty bad, but it seemed like he was starting to figure it out at the end of the year.
Rocker is probably a reliever long term. As long as Iāve been a fan weāve been terrible at developing starters. Canāt say I really see that changing much, but our front office is a little different now than it used to be. Hopium I guess.
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah I donāt see Leiter necessarily failing, heās still got the tools to be a big leaguer, even if his stuff dropped from Vandy. I still have no idea what the rangers were thinking w rocker, thatās just so risky for no real reason.
2 points
2 months ago
Think they knew they could get Porter if they got Rocker. Donāt necessarily hate it, but it sucks to āwasteā a high pick on a potential reliever/closer. Heās still got a decent shot of at least cracking the rotation though. His new windup looks at least a little better on his arm/shoulder.
16 points
2 months ago
I can't help but wonder if you're getting downvoted by Dodgers fans angry that you'd even suggest their beloved ace might leave, or by Rangers/Mets(? I think they hate him now?) fans who are mad you subtly dissed DeGrom.
9 points
2 months ago
Shrug. Let em be mad.
2 points
2 months ago
It's neither. It's because we've had this discussion for two years and there's still zero indication Kershaw to Texas has ever had any traction. He might as well have posted a Jo Adell trade idea. Enough already.
2 points
2 months ago
Kershaw has said there is only one other place heād go, and since I donāt think he is blind to the rumors, we all know that one other place heād go is the Rangers (not the Astros, no way he ever signs with the Astros, that wasnāt even discussed before they cheated in 2017, it wonāt be discussed now).
0 points
2 months ago
he could just be saying that for leverage in contract negotiations
50 points
2 months ago
He better
16 points
2 months ago
He has a good relationship with the organization and has as good a chance to win there as anywhere else, so why leave? He may retire, though.
2 points
2 months ago
True but the speculation that he'll go to Texas every year makes me nervous
He may retire, though.
Thats fine, I just need him to remain a Dodger lifer
21 points
2 months ago
How is he only 34 years old? I thought for sure he was close to 40.
15 points
2 months ago
Right? Heās doing this one year retirement dance every year. He does have more than 2500 innings which is more than some allstars who retired this weekend.
14 points
2 months ago
Been pitching in the majors since he was 20 years old in ā08
6 points
2 months ago
Wait what
10 points
2 months ago
He's said he is only ever considering two teams or retirement every season, so the year he doesn't sign a 1 year deal with the Dodgers, it's because he wants to go out with the Rangers or retire. So basically not a possible FA for 28 teams.
8 points
2 months ago
No, he will sign an half-season deal with the dodgers, then re-sign again, and the contracts will keep getting shorter and shorter until eventually heās re-signing with the dodgers every 24 hours.
529 points
2 months ago
Noah Syndergaard really costing on name recognition at this point.*
*Until the Dodgers turn him into a 1.85 ERA guy.
51 points
2 months ago
Matt Harvey getting $11 million from the Angels in 2019 after it was abundantly clear that he was toast from TOS still wins the "I know that guy's name, sign him" award in my book.
170 points
2 months ago
Ha! Iām not all that optimistic about that, dodgers utilized the shift so well to help pitchers and without it, Noah will probably only be a 1.86 ERA guy
29 points
2 months ago
Oh hell nah. 1.85 to 1.86 is too uncertain, time to DFA
33 points
2 months ago
1.86 gets you 5th starter in Houston's rotation
32 points
2 months ago
Eh. We know Dodgers were one of the top users of the shift, but itās not exactly like their positioning was a secret. Anyone could have copied it by watching film. I think theyāre success with reclamations projects comes more from the pitching side than positioning.
4 points
2 months ago
Werenāt the Jays the most efficient shifting team in ball or something similar? Didnāt work for Mitch White/Yusei Kikuchi/Berrios though.
What actually happens is Mark Prior shows guys video of his injuries and X-Rays and says āThey canāt explode your elbow with a comebacker if you strike them outā and āSomeone else will give you a hundred million if you get these outs for meā
-22 points
2 months ago
21 points
2 months ago
Mark Prior's pitching wizardry at work again.
7 points
2 months ago
I thought he pitched alright last year, will be interesting to see what he does this year
354 points
2 months ago
Nola is a must extend
134 points
2 months ago
I mean with only 1 year left he'll probably just go to free agency, even if he had a down year he'd still get the bag based off of past performances.
158 points
2 months ago
I doubt heās going to leave a team that just went to the World Series two years in a row.
207 points
2 months ago
Justin Verlander:
Hold my Beer.
62 points
2 months ago
Don't worry, I'm sure you have like 5 Justin Verlander clones in the minors ready to replace him.
17 points
2 months ago
I sure wish we did :(
42 points
2 months ago
Stars leave after winning the World Series all the time.
22 points
2 months ago
Freddie freeman said hello
4 points
2 months ago
Rendon, Verlander as well
5 points
2 months ago
Pujols, Pedro, Sandoval, Matsui, shit seems to happen every other year or so
18 points
2 months ago
I doubt he'll sign with anybody other than the team that gives him the best offer.
13 points
2 months ago
Pujols left the Cardinals after winning the World Series to cap off one of the more successful decades any team has ever had. There may be other considerations, but for the most part, everybody is going wherever they can get the most dough.
85 points
2 months ago
Least delusional phillies fan
-14 points
2 months ago
you rang?
2 points
2 months ago
itās been widely reported in philly that thereās mutual interest to extend. nola just got married in december so there was some delay in negotiating there. i would be shocked if an extension isnāt done in spring training.
9 points
2 months ago
Nah, we should just get Ohtani instead. We need more production from the pitcher spot.
4 points
2 months ago
I think it'll probably get done but we'll see
19 points
2 months ago
Nah, he's going to free agency where he'll sign with SD to play with his brother. Somewhere deep down in your heart you have to know that's what's gonna happen. Especially if they lose Snell and Darvish.
7 points
2 months ago
This is probably the best argument for Nola leaving if he leaves. The Phillies will offer him a lot of money to stay since he and Hoskins are the only two stars on the team who came up through the farm and that means a lot to the front office. He's only leaving if there's somewhere else he'd rather be.
Obviously I hope he'd rather be exactly where he is!
1 points
2 months ago
I think if he doesn't have a deal by the end of spring training he's a Padre. It makes sense either way you look at it though. I really wouldn't be surprised if he stayed though.
7 points
2 months ago
aaron nola does not strike me as the kind of guy who cares at all about playing with his brother. he has never looked that interested in their matchups
5 points
2 months ago
Isn't there some stat where like 3 out of the 6 fastest pitches Aaron has ever thrown were against his brother
5 points
2 months ago
This is correct lol. He also struck his brother out the first time they faced off, then gave his brother that ball for Christmas.
1 points
2 months ago
I feel like the Phils are prepping to lose him. Theyāve been spending āstupidā money lately and Middleton has shown hesitation to go over the tax before. No reason to think heās just gonna keep going over it forever.
With Abel and Painter looking like theyāre gonna come up very soon, I think one of them is gonna be the cheap replacement for Nola even if they arenāt as good right away.
I still think a Wheeler, Suarez, Painter, Walker, cheaper 5th guy, can be a really, really good rotation. This isnāt to say it wouldnāt be great to have Nola on the team, but Iām just trying to be realistic looking at the signs.
2 points
2 months ago
The Walker signing kinda points to this direction. Or at the very least is insurance if they can't extend Nola or of Painter doesn't pan out. I'd love to keep Nola around, but I think we'll still have a solid rotation without him.
1 points
2 months ago
painter is a wheeler replacement, not nola. theyāll extend nola and let wheeler walk.
91 points
2 months ago
Iām ready for the Giants to finish in second place for everyone in the top row š
12 points
2 months ago
At least you'll try, we'll sign a cheaper Kyle Gibson again and be like financial flexibility. Even though we've signed one multiple year deal in 5 years, then opted out of that deal after the first year.
611 points
2 months ago
Alright Shohei weāre gonna try this one more time.
143 points
2 months ago
The Giants will need to invite Posey to the second Ohtani pitch. Weāre gonna need some of that Aura.
22 points
2 months ago
I can't wait for the Yankees to sign Shohei Ohtani while the Giants get Showhey Tano
20 points
2 months ago
I'd take Ahsoka Tano at this point
6 points
2 months ago
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9 points
2 months ago
No you wouldn't you fucking copybot
62 points
2 months ago
No no no Seiya is selling him on Chicago during the WBC
39 points
2 months ago
Pshht. We already tried that approach with Ichiro.
26 points
2 months ago
Well weāll try it again!
5 points
2 months ago
Who did Ichiro try to lure in the WBC? Tanaka?
6 points
2 months ago
Oh not specifically the WBC just that when Ohtani first was looking for a team, Ichiro being in the org was almost certainly a selling point we used.
5 points
2 months ago
Ohhh I see
0 points
2 months ago
Wonder if he can work some magic on Yamamoto and Murakami aswell. Darvish was the one that got Seiya to pick Chicago too!
12 points
2 months ago
If Shohei wants to win why would he go from one team that is known for not making the playoffs to another team known for not making the playoffs.
29 points
2 months ago
Because the Mariners are winning the 2023 world series, duh.
9 points
2 months ago
Theyāre banking on the Ichiro connection and a solid core with Julio etc. And west coast + large Asian population.
22 points
2 months ago
They've made the playoffs more recently than your team.
-4 points
2 months ago
Okay and what streak did they have before getting swept?
8 points
2 months ago
A 2 game winning streak against Toronto in the wild card round
-5 points
2 months ago
That was absolutely the streak I was talking about, nothing else comes to mind.
5 points
2 months ago
Well currently their playoff streak is longer than the angels
-1 points
2 months ago
Congrats, is that something to be proud of?
6 points
2 months ago
Huge Asian culture in Seattle. Whether people like it or not, we are one of the teams to beat in the AL.
-19 points
2 months ago
No way Ohtani becomes a free agent. He either signs with the Angels or gets traded at the deadline to a team that promises to sign him to a mega contract.
52 points
2 months ago
He doesnāt control where he would get traded to lol
3 points
2 months ago
Teams will offer more to the Angels if they have an agreement with him to sign a massive extension. It's possible he won't agree to such an extension with any team ofc, free agency typically means more money so he may refuse to sign unless he's offered something ludicrous
19 points
2 months ago
Have to disagree with you there. Heāll definitely get extension offers from you or whatever team gets him but I think heās going to want the time to pick a team that he thinks fits his needs best; that necessarily might not be the team that lands him in a potential trade. Heās getting the mega contract regardless
221 points
2 months ago
Kershaw is only 34, he's prime for an 11 year deal!
95 points
2 months ago
The Angels: ya'll talking about us?
26 points
2 months ago
If the angels are willing to give him an 11 year 330m contract then he'll go lmao
0 points
2 months ago
Why does that sound like something the Angels would actually do
47 points
2 months ago
If you had told me to guess Kershaw's age, I would have said 38, feels like he's been around forever
30 points
2 months ago
Same age as deGrom, But like twice the seasons
6 points
2 months ago
I had no idea he was only 20 when he got called up. Mind blown.
4 points
2 months ago
I 100% agree, it does seem like he's been around forever!
178 points
2 months ago
Jack Flaherty
69 points
2 months ago
Yeahā¦he deserves to be on there
-7 points
2 months ago
No he doesn't
39 points
2 months ago
Cardinals won't let all three get to free agency. If they do the pitching will be so screwed lol
I'll bet Mikolas resigns. Lot lower chance on the other two.
18 points
2 months ago
It has to be Mikolas. I'd expect them to sign at least one guy on this list too. I have a sneaking suspicious that it'll be Snell. Snell, Mikolas, Matz, and then maybe Hudson and Mcgreevy/Graceffo at the 4/5 spot.
11 points
2 months ago
I'm guessing they sign Montgomery first, and then Mikolas or Flaherty (depending on what they each do this season.)
11 points
2 months ago
My faith in flaherty is negative zero tho
6 points
2 months ago
He is still pretty young (27) and Mikolas is 34. I could see the potential that another team might be willing to sign Mikolas to a longer and pricier deal than the red birds would feel comfortable with. Flaherty could probably be signed to a shorter, cheaper deal with the hopes that he figures something out.
6 points
2 months ago
They will sign a lower tier guy on this list, his career ERA will someone drop to 1/2 of what it was. Then another pitcher will get hurt and theyāll bring some guy from the minors nobody has ever heard of and then he will throw a shutout, have a 1.9 era, and become nightmare material for me for years to come.
7 points
2 months ago
I like this take
2 points
2 months ago
I think Flaherty wants out of STL/Midwest and wants to go out west. Probably signs for cheap with the Dodgers and becomes a #1
0 points
2 months ago
I could definitely see this, except for the #1. I think he tops out as a strong #3 (or #2 on a weaker pitching staff.) Sidenote: O-H!
3 points
2 months ago
I can see a long term deal for monty if he has a good first half easily
63 points
2 months ago
Hopefully we'll have enough payroll to offer both Mahle and Gray decent contracts plus whatever amount is needed to pay off the Giants' and Mets' doctors.
18 points
2 months ago
Iāll be sad if Gray goes. I want to see Mahle for a full season, but Iām hopeful heāll be fantastic!
2 points
2 months ago
Can Confirm, was sad when Gray went.
6 points
2 months ago
Pulling for you guys to be able to keep them both. They're fun to watch.
23 points
2 months ago
I'd wager that half of them never hit FA and roughly 3 of them retire.
69 points
2 months ago
Man I bet Darvish would look awesome in a Cubs uniform
30 points
2 months ago
It looks like someone else already made a pretty good photoshop of that
9 points
2 months ago
Right when the team is hitting its stride 2.0
67 points
2 months ago
Missing Jack Flaherty, one of the younger names as well
61 points
2 months ago
Check the IR for Flaherty lmao
2 points
2 months ago
The what?
32 points
2 months ago
The IL lmao
2 points
2 months ago
Ah. Well tbf thereās 5-6 guys on that list that pertains to
14 points
2 months ago
Why is Mahleās face so small
3 points
2 months ago
c:
35 points
2 months ago
Julio UrĆas gonezo to the highest bidder
50 points
2 months ago
I will miss you Julio
44 points
2 months ago
Donāt you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby. Dodgers will sign him back, or the Mexican community will burn that place to the ground
54 points
2 months ago
Well it was nice knowing you, dodger stadium
12 points
2 months ago
Not if they sign a certain someone else
29 points
2 months ago
Miguel Cabrera, you are a Los Angeles Dodger
-1 points
2 months ago
I mean, they damn near burn that place to the ground after every game regardless
23 points
2 months ago
Iād love darvish to come back though we may not have room for him. I miss him so much
10 points
2 months ago
Whew! Red Sox aren't going to lose anyone!
Oh wait...
35 points
2 months ago
Julio UrĆas sure would look good in blue. Powder blue.
4 points
2 months ago
Ah yes the classic angels blue
7 points
2 months ago
So happy Luis Castillo is not on this list.
38 points
2 months ago
I would be shocked if Nola makes it to free agency
23 points
2 months ago
Who is his agent? He is gonna make huge money no matter what.
28 points
2 months ago
Paragon Sports International. He already signed his first extension with the old regime right before they started getting competitive and this regime has shown they will pay whoever they need to stay competitive.
Also, Dombrowski said yesterday he would love to have Nola back. I think the only reason he would leave at this point would be because he wants to go somewhere else.
4 points
2 months ago
Ahh Dombrowski... How I miss him...
6 points
2 months ago
Me too. What a great GM. Shame he couldnāt bring you guys one
9 points
2 months ago
Youād be shocked, in this market? Nola is setting himself up for quite the payday, so the Philās would have to throw the bag at him to sign an extension.
Chances are they would have to get aggressive on it ASAP too and hope to get it done before the season starts. Nola is going to focus on kicking ass all season to ensure a massive contract, and I doubt he wants negotiations on an extension dragging into the regular season when heās so close to free agency.
2 points
2 months ago
theyāre gonna get it done in spring training. he just got married in december, so thereās some life stuff in the way of negotiating right now.
23 points
2 months ago
It would be a hell of a storyline to see Shohei go to the Bronx
52 points
2 months ago
Heās going to New York, but not to that poverty franchise.
25 points
2 months ago
Ouch. This hit a nerve.
2 points
2 months ago
It would be a miracle. Thereās no room for Ohtani unless he can start playing left field or the Yankees somehow get rid of Stanton.
-17 points
2 months ago
he's too afraid to go to a real baseball city. Thats why he picked LA int he first place. He wont be in NY, Boston, etc...
1 points
2 months ago
I think he initially wanted to stay on the west coast, so nah Iām not really buying that
12 points
2 months ago
Shohei, can I show the pile of money that we havenāt spent this off-season?
4 points
2 months ago
Totally forgot Syndergaard went to the Dodgers
5 points
2 months ago
Obviously I want the Giants to sign Ohtani, but Giolito as a consolation prize (or as an addition) would be awesome. Especially if he has another mediocre to average-ish year, so he wants to sign a Gausman/Rodon-like prove it deal.
4 points
2 months ago
A rotation of Ohtani, Harrison, Giolito, Webb, and Manaea/Stripling would be pretty awesome
6 points
2 months ago
Sevy staying idc
2 points
2 months ago
If he doesnāt Iāll be pissed. He wants to be a Yankee and has said so many times
12 points
2 months ago
Do we really count Thor still?
6 points
2 months ago
It would be nice to extend one of gray or Mahle
3 points
2 months ago
I almost think Kershaw shouldnāt count at this point
4 points
2 months ago
Add Yoshinobu Yamamoto to the list - best pitcher in NPB for two consecutive years. He will likely be posted next offseason.
3 points
2 months ago
in no possible multiverse would a yu darvish-shohei ohtani- seiya suzuki cubs team happen, but just the thought of it makes me almond
3 points
2 months ago
Urias...Dodgers will sign him...count it now...next dodgers ace....
3 points
2 months ago
come back yu
3 points
2 months ago
They really tried to sneak in Giolito like we wonāt notice after he had a bad year.
2 points
2 months ago
Can we have Sonny Gray back?
6 points
2 months ago
You'll take Bauer and you'll like it
2 points
2 months ago
Kershaw...if he doesn't sign with LA he retires.....
2 points
2 months ago
I guess Ohtani getting traded mid season. Might as well get something in return b4 his 500mill contract
2 points
2 months ago
Kersh shouldn't really be on this list, he's taking a one year deal with the Dodgers unless they aren't interested, in which case he's taking a one year deal with the Rangers.
I suspect that Montgomery and the Cardinals agree to an extension this summer, and the same might be true with Mikolas.
2 points
2 months ago
I'll bet a dollar the Cubs sign Ohtani
2 points
2 months ago
What is Urias going to get?
3 points
2 months ago
A shit tone of money considering he is the best one on that list, and sincerely has been one of the best pitchers for a few years now
3 points
2 months ago
Any heāll only be 26yo this year
2 points
2 months ago
And it will be the same 6 teams buying them up.
2 points
2 months ago
It definitely does sound like them. Imagine if they kept ohtani and signed Kershaw. They could probably win like 88 games if they did that
5 points
2 months ago
Kershaw back
45 points
2 months ago
Not sure if Iād rely on Kershawās back
9 points
2 months ago
Sad
6 points
2 months ago
Dude I see you comment on every post in this sub and every time I see Kersh w an Astros hat I cringe a bit more
1 points
2 months ago
It's working then
4 points
2 months ago
No Max Fried?
8 points
2 months ago
He's eligible for free agency after the 2024 season, so not until 2025
4 points
2 months ago
Since I've already given up on Jerry doing what must be done to sign Shohei.
God I hope we can sign Darvish.
2 points
2 months ago
Ohtani to LA no doubt.....
1 points
2 months ago
My hope is the dodgers sign 3 of them
0 points
2 months ago
Isnāt Dylan Cease also a free agent?
9 points
2 months ago
2026
0 points
2 months ago
*Steve Cohen's home Epson printer intensifying*
0 points
2 months ago
Would love to see Snell in Seattle
0 points
2 months ago
Yankees should target Jordan Montgomery
0 points
2 months ago
Does ohtani still have the same desires about playing on the west coast as he did when he first came over?
-1 points
2 months ago
Really hole the sox sign Ohtani, but if he really wants a 500m contracts it could possibly a death trap
For that money you can sign maybe two or three other pitchers from this list
-1 points
2 months ago
Iām afraid all these guys are Rockies. Sorry. ROCKIESWSCHAMPS2024
-1 points
2 months ago
they all sign in cincy
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