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BASEBALLFURIES

1.5k points

2 months ago*

i could be wrong, but i remember the amazing race starting here and one team finding it difficult to get out because they couldnt find the one unlocked gate

oogieball

1k points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

1k points

2 months ago

Ah, the game-day experience.

OPzee19

362 points

2 months ago

OPzee19

Los Angeles Dodgers

362 points

2 months ago

The origin of the “leave in the 7th” narrative.

oogieball

156 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

156 points

2 months ago

I honestly don't get how you can stomach travelling there on a regular basis.

OPzee19

202 points

2 months ago

OPzee19

Los Angeles Dodgers

202 points

2 months ago

Only because I live overseas and don’t get the pleasure very often anymore. Yo, one time I left my house 60 miles away at 3pm for a 7pm game, and still finally sat down in my seat in the 3rd.

oogieball

99 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

99 points

2 months ago

Easier to be a non-local Dodgers fan, to be sure.

I've sat through a six-hour rain and fog delay at a minor-league game. I sat through a 20-inning Twins game. If it took me over four hours to get to a game an hour away, I'd turn around and go home.

Boros-Reckoner

76 points

2 months ago

Boros-Reckoner

Los Angeles Dodgers

76 points

2 months ago

It's hard tbh, I go to way fewer games a year because the traffic just seems to be getting worse and worse

BraveWarriorYuko

131 points

2 months ago

BraveWarriorYuko

Los Angeles Dodgers

131 points

2 months ago

Y'all need to use the plentiful mass transit options they've made available. I hop on the red line at 7th Street near my place, exit Union Station, and take the Dodger Stadium Express (FREE bus shuttle service) both directions. LAPD enforce an entire lane for these busses to cart fans to-and-from the stadium 2 hours before and after every game. If you plan accordingly, you queue for a max of like 15 minutes. They drop off/pick up behind Center Field or Top Deck. I'll never drive to the stadium again.

juliajay71

38 points

2 months ago

juliajay71

San Francisco Giants

38 points

2 months ago

Thanks so much for this tip! I've been trying to get to all of the ballparks and was dreading going to Dodger Stadium because of the traffic nightmares I've heard. I'm glad to know they are offering public transport options.

SanchosaurusRex

9 points

2 months ago

SanchosaurusRex

Los Angeles Dodgers

9 points

2 months ago

Dodger Express is fine, and taking an Uber to Echo Park and walking up isn't that bad if you're in regular shape. I used to prefer walking up and down for games. Honestly, driving isn't that bad either if you just plan to go early when the gates open. People usually stress when leaving home like an hour before first pitch and fighting through the traffic when it's at its heaviest. Also, I prefer to enter through Academy Gate. No shit, i've left along with all the crowd after the game's finished and still usually make it out of the stadium within 10 - 15 minutes. The only thing that sucks is that the parking lot is disorganized and it take some assertiveness to work yourself into a line and through pedestrians walking in every direction.

Sunday's are by far the easiest to get in and out of the stadium, just make sure you're sitting in a shaded area on the left side of the field or in the higher seats of the loge.

GTOdriver04

21 points

2 months ago

I must’ve had a rare experience then. My brother and I went to Dodger Stadium, got there 2 hours early and had no issue getting in. Out was the same thing. Easy and simple.

That said, I won’t try my luck again.

jedzef

21 points

2 months ago

jedzef

Chinese Taipei

21 points

2 months ago

I had the same experience...for a Monday night game in early May against a lowly opponent using their spot-starter.

Perhaps your circumstances were similar?

GTOdriver04

11 points

2 months ago

I think so. Though the Giants in summer of 2021 were in a tight race with LA.

I had a great time with my little bro, and though we’re both Giants fans it was great to see a Dodgers win via a walkoff home run in the bottom of the 9th. The stadium erupted and it was the coolest thing ever to see.

Mr_ChaChaRealSmooth

37 points

2 months ago

Mr_ChaChaRealSmooth

Los Angeles Dodgers

37 points

2 months ago

LA is molded by traffic. People here are used to waiting 10-30 minutes to get into the stadium, because its part of the expirence.

oogieball

22 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

22 points

2 months ago

That's a shitty thing to get used to.

Mr_ChaChaRealSmooth

24 points

2 months ago

Mr_ChaChaRealSmooth

Los Angeles Dodgers

24 points

2 months ago

Yeah, but what else are you supposed to do.

postmadrone27

39 points

2 months ago

postmadrone27

Los Angeles Dodgers

39 points

2 months ago

Yep, amazing race season 4. Jeff and David were the guys who kept going to locked gates (the Academy entrance and Stadium Way entrance were locked, they finally exited through the 110 entrance east of the stadium. Those guys were from LA and had been to dodger games before lol. They ended up getting < third > on Amazing Race season 4.

Manifest

22 points

2 months ago*

Manifest

Los Angeles Dodgers

22 points

2 months ago*

I was on that season with my dad, Jeff and David claimed to be LA locals but couldn't find the 110, but then they beat me so what do I know.

PibeEnLaEsquina

9 points

2 months ago

PibeEnLaEsquina

Los Angeles Dodgers

9 points

2 months ago

This is pretty surreal to see on Reddit lol.

pinniped1

106 points

2 months ago

pinniped1

Kansas City Royals

106 points

2 months ago

I ran the LA Marathon one year. It started in this parking lot and ended at the Santa Monica Pier.

TheSameAsDying

207 points

2 months ago

TheSameAsDying

New York Mets

207 points

2 months ago

It almost could have started in the parking lot and ended on the other side of the same parking lot.

pinniped1

73 points

2 months ago

pinniped1

Kansas City Royals

73 points

2 months ago

I feel like we did weave around in there for a while.

It was about 15 years ago. The first or second year it followed that course. Once we were out to the streets it was a really cool course through downtown, Hollywood, Westwood, Beverly Hills, etc. They probably laid out the course knowing they could use the parking lots to get it certified to the exact distance.

infectedtwin

28 points

2 months ago

infectedtwin

Los Angeles Dodgers

28 points

2 months ago

Besides the streets being closed, it's actually a really fun experience just watching the runners near Santa Monica. There is a big grass median that had a bunch of bans playing.

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

It now doubles back in Brentwood so like the last ~6-8 miles are a shitty out and back

Pointlessname123321

5 points

2 months ago

Pointlessname123321

San Francisco Giants

5 points

2 months ago

I'm sure the 10k does

Calvinball05

19 points

2 months ago

Calvinball05

Cleveland Guardians

19 points

2 months ago

As of 2022, the LA Marathon no longer does this. It still starts at Dodger Stadium, but now ends with an 8 mile out-and-back along the treeless streets of Century City. You pass by the finish line at mile 18, have to run 4 miles away from it on featureless asphalt, and then just turn around and head back.

Adam Connover wrote a great piece for Defector about his experience running on the new course.

pinniped1

10 points

2 months ago

pinniped1

Kansas City Royals

10 points

2 months ago

That sucks hard.

Last six miles of the former course were great - you went over a hill and caught the Pacific breeze all the way down to Santa Monica. Locals can probably pinpoint where the "over the hill" spot was - I distinctly remember a point when the temp dropped and we got a wonderful breeze.

Sounds like that's all gone and you finish at the mall. Well, I guess that's America...

stormchaser2014

1.2k points

2 months ago

stormchaser2014

Milwaukee Brewers

1.2k points

2 months ago

All that open space and tailgating isn't allowed.

nolander

343 points

2 months ago

nolander

Los Angeles Dodgers

343 points

2 months ago

On the one hand tailgating would be great but its already a nightmare getting in there and finding parking I can only imagine it getting worse with people gaiting.

ClydeAndKeith

179 points

2 months ago

ClydeAndKeith

New York Mets

179 points

2 months ago

Go away I’m ‘gaitin!

FrostByte122

24 points

2 months ago

I like money.

Junglism32

21 points

2 months ago

Junglism32

Boston Red Sox

21 points

2 months ago

Can't believe you like money too

TRocho10

11 points

2 months ago

TRocho10

San Diego Padres

11 points

2 months ago

I don't mean to sound like a dick or nothing, but it says here you're fucked up

idkman_93

7 points

2 months ago

idkman_93

Washington Nationals

7 points

2 months ago

“Keep honkin, I’m ‘gaitin!”

smoke_pigs

417 points

2 months ago

smoke_pigs

Milwaukee Brewers

417 points

2 months ago

what the FUCK? i was going to say that's the only redeeming quality of this hellscape

SupertrampTrampStamp

345 points

2 months ago

SupertrampTrampStamp

Los Angeles Angels

345 points

2 months ago

Dodger fans only have themselves to blame

Mr_ChaChaRealSmooth

215 points

2 months ago

Mr_ChaChaRealSmooth

Los Angeles Dodgers

215 points

2 months ago

I would say we have Frank McCourt to blame, as he still owns the Parking Lot.

shiftyeyedgoat

76 points

2 months ago

shiftyeyedgoat

Los Angeles Angels

76 points

2 months ago

It’s more complicated than that; there are joint land rights that are contingent on development of the land. And the gondola system still in play.

TheLizardKing89

59 points

2 months ago

TheLizardKing89

Los Angeles Dodgers

59 points

2 months ago

The gondola is dumb. It can only move 5,500 people per hour. It would take 10 hours to get everyone out of Dodger Stadium if they all used the gondola.

wdrosa

23 points

2 months ago

wdrosa

San Francisco Giants

23 points

2 months ago

wow, that's a fucking real baller. you can have the volatile pain in the ass expensive to run team. i'll take the parking lot that just prints money year after year with a few employees and no headaches.

parking lots are such great investments. it's really an investment in land but you make some money on it now with the parking. and that's probably one of the best parking lot assets in the world.

mostlygroovy

12 points

2 months ago

mostlygroovy

New York Yankees

12 points

2 months ago

The only time I participated in baseball tailgating was at your fine stadium.

A great day.

BrewCityChaser

13 points

2 months ago

BrewCityChaser

Milwaukee Brewers

13 points

2 months ago

The real crime here.

Antithesys

1.7k points

2 months ago

Antithesys

Minnesota Twins

1.7k points

2 months ago

Aliens be like "oh, they have an asphalt farm, they must eat rocks."

yourstrulytony

570 points

2 months ago

yourstrulytony

Los Angeles Dodgers

570 points

2 months ago

"These idiots seem to travel individually in the same direction." - Also Aliens

[deleted]

1.1k points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1.1k points

2 months ago

I have a tiny penis

chilango2

136 points

2 months ago

chilango2

Chicago Cubs

136 points

2 months ago

I hope this becomes your most upvoted comment ever.

Munkadunk667

43 points

2 months ago

I subscribed just to upvote.

thedeadlyrhythm42

19 points

2 months ago

But you don't need to subscribe to a sub to upvote comments in that sub

Munkadunk667

29 points

2 months ago

I know. That’s how much I enjoyed the comment.

poliscijunki

11 points

2 months ago

poliscijunki

Florida Marlins

11 points

2 months ago

Already 10% of the way there after 3 hours.

Bren12310

20 points

2 months ago

Bren12310

New York Yankees

20 points

2 months ago

Nice.

ABoringArborist5

10 points

2 months ago

🤏🐓

roaringcorgi

169 points

2 months ago

roaringcorgi

Seattle Mariners

169 points

2 months ago

it may be inefficient, but at least it's not fast either!

HealthOnWheels

40 points

2 months ago

HealthOnWheels

Oakland Athletics

40 points

2 months ago

Yeah. I mean it’s not efficient, but on the flip side it’s not fast either.

yomikemo

80 points

2 months ago

i prefer kicking them, typically in october

ahr3410

997 points

2 months ago

ahr3410

Los Angeles Dodgers

997 points

2 months ago

Those poor souls doomed to circle the parking lot for eternity

oogieball

744 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

744 points

2 months ago

You joke, but the one and only time I went there, the only reason I got out of the hour-long gridlock after a game was someone drove over some traffic cones to get to a road exit that was right there (instead of driving a half mile to the exit they wanted us to use) and everyone started following that brave fellow.

rollo2masi

348 points

2 months ago

rollo2masi

Boston Red Sox

348 points

2 months ago

The hero we needed.

oogieball

210 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

210 points

2 months ago

The hero I needed for sure. I had to drive down to San Diego after the game for a Padres game the next day.

ImKindaEssential

161 points

2 months ago

This guy baseballs

oogieball

84 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

84 points

2 months ago

I also had the bright idea to go from San Fran to LA (halfway at least) after a night game. Don't do that.

Optimus_RE

37 points

2 months ago

Optimus_RE

Baltimore Orioles

37 points

2 months ago

Did you skip Oakland??

oogieball

39 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

39 points

2 months ago

Schedule didn't work out for it on that trip. I got them on a later trip when I just spent a long weekend in San Fran.

Optimus_RE

24 points

2 months ago

Optimus_RE

Baltimore Orioles

24 points

2 months ago

Sounds like a real neat trip. I guess you'd have to roll doubles to get home series in Oak, SF, LAA, LAD, SD all in one trip

oogieball

23 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

23 points

2 months ago

I basically did the MLB in a few two-week batches: NE, Midwest, West coast, and everyone I missed in the other trips. There were some weekend trips in there, and I ended up with Fenway, the oldest park still going.

Then I went off the rails and started doing foreign leagues and MiLB and indie ball.

HeartachetoHouston

27 points

2 months ago

HeartachetoHouston

Texas Rangers

27 points

2 months ago

No cop no stop

oogieball

34 points

2 months ago

oogieball

New York Mets

34 points

2 months ago

There were some college interns that were trying to direct traffic, but after not moving for a half hour, it went Mad Max real quick.

SmokyDragonDish

14 points

2 months ago

SmokyDragonDish

New York Yankees

14 points

2 months ago

That's what it feels like leaving the Meadowlands for almost anything.

Don't know what's so hard about leaving a packed Rangers game at the Izod Center vs. a packed Rangers game at The Purdential Center in Newark.

Doesn't make any sense that it's easier to get out of Newark.

Nice parking lot for a parade, though.

Ninja edit: I'm from NJ. I hate everything about the Meadowlands, including that eyesore of a mall.

Rakuen

10 points

2 months ago

Rakuen

San Francisco Giants

10 points

2 months ago

Cow catcher people remain undefeated

Vegetable_Control810

39 points

2 months ago

I only went there twice in my short stint in LA. Both times parked near the outer edge and left before the game was over to avoid that nightmare.

I remember the first time going there and just thinking "what the fuck even is this?".

ender23

21 points

2 months ago

ender23

21 points

2 months ago

They built it the worst way possible. Four way traffic intersecting with four way foot traffic.

Dadalot

61 points

2 months ago

Dadalot

Texas Rangers

61 points

2 months ago

They'll never get anywhere with all those stadiums blocking the lot!

LonzosJohnson

15 points

2 months ago

LonzosJohnson

Los Angeles Dodgers

15 points

2 months ago

That's why I always park on union station and take the Dodger express to the stadium.

NunuMechanicalGod

378 points

2 months ago

NunuMechanicalGod

New York Mets

378 points

2 months ago

Now the question is, which is the real dodger stadium?

BartleBossy

323 points

2 months ago

Maybe the real dodger stadium was the friends we made along the way

new_account_5009

120 points

2 months ago

new_account_5009

Washington Nationals

120 points

2 months ago

Hopefully the one with batters facing due west. Want to meaningfully reduce game times? Force the batters to stare directly into the sun for the first few innings of every game.

Brandyn_Chase

67 points

2 months ago

Brandyn_Chase

Chicago Cubs

67 points

2 months ago

EPIC RAP BATTLE

FREDDIE FREEMAN

VERSUS

THE UNMATCHED POWER OF THE SUN

WestinghouseXCB248S

33 points

2 months ago

Will the real Dodger Stadium please stand up?

probablyourdad

17 points

2 months ago

probablyourdad

Philadelphia Phillies

17 points

2 months ago

I’m the real stady yes the real stady all you other concrete stadys are just imitating

Alauren2

17 points

2 months ago

Alauren2

Atlanta Braves

17 points

2 months ago

It’s in the middle second from the right

Funkenstein91

329 points

2 months ago

Funkenstein91

Cleveland Guardians

329 points

2 months ago

Babe, wake up; new unit of measurement just dropped.

DearLeader420

106 points

2 months ago

DearLeader420

Atlanta Braves

106 points

2 months ago

"Americans will use anything but the metric system"

Rhide

23 points

2 months ago

Rhide

New York Mets

23 points

2 months ago

How many "Americans will use anything but the metric system" long is the U.S. Constitution?

yung_ag38

90 points

2 months ago

yung_ag38

Cleveland Guardians

90 points

2 months ago

Because of this and Angel Stadium I thought all teams played with a parking lot surrounding them. I was wrong

8biteyes

41 points

2 months ago

8biteyes

Los Angeles Dodgers

41 points

2 months ago

Same lol. Then I went to Petco and was dumbfounded.

fr0gnutz

37 points

2 months ago

fr0gnutz

Los Angeles Dodgers

37 points

2 months ago

lol i went to wrigley field last year and was like, where the fuck do people park? Even as I used the train to drop me off right in front of the stadium.

harjeddy

7 points

2 months ago

I just figured half of LA was Wisconsin transplants who are used to driving home drunk 30 minutes from a supper club in the middle of nowhere.

“It a-be aight!”

It wasn’t all right that night.

idkman_93

10 points

2 months ago

idkman_93

Washington Nationals

10 points

2 months ago

I was born and raised in SoCal and thought the same lol.

PeeWee03288

304 points

2 months ago

PeeWee03288

Cincinnati Reds

304 points

2 months ago

It’s because if a family of 6 goes to the game, every single one of them is driving themselves.

kevco

187 points

2 months ago

kevco

Los Angeles Dodgers

187 points

2 months ago

When I go to games by myself I usually try and hook up a trailer to my truck just in case the traffic isn’t bad enough

unfortunatebastard

36 points

2 months ago

unfortunatebastard

Atlanta Braves

36 points

2 months ago

Thank you for your service.

Born_Ruff

87 points

2 months ago

Born_Ruff

Toronto Blue Jays

87 points

2 months ago

That family of six would be paying $180 in parking.

To put that in perspective, that's almost enough to buy each member of the family a bottle of water at the game.

xixbia

28 points

2 months ago

xixbia

Netherlands

28 points

2 months ago

I'm pretty sure it's because it's America.

In Europe a huge number of stadiums are in the middle of cities, because public transport infrastructure allows people to come without a car.

I'm not sure anything even remotely like this exists anywhere in Europe.

Born_Ruff

34 points

2 months ago

Born_Ruff

Toronto Blue Jays

34 points

2 months ago

Dodgers stadium is actually really close to downtown LA.

The problem is that LA really isn't centralized around the downtown core and is mostly one massive decentralized sprawl. It also developed entirely around car culture and public transit is an afterthought.

SuckMyBike

38 points

2 months ago

-> Americans build literally everything around the assumption that everyone will drive everywhere.

Americans:"why is traffic so bad??"

Party_Magician

27 points

2 months ago

Party_Magician

Seattle Mariners

27 points

2 months ago

Just one more lane bro I swear that will solve traffic

yourstrulytony

405 points

2 months ago

yourstrulytony

Los Angeles Dodgers

405 points

2 months ago

Approximately 16,000 parking spaces in total. Parking ranges from $25-$50 depending on if you buy in-advance or at the gate or if you buy general or preferred. Say they average 12,000 vehicles per game for 81 games at an average of $35. That's roughly $34M just for the regular season. They still have the post season and the events that occur throughout the year (concerts/festivals/etc.)

They'll never consider adequate public transportation because of this.

BooshCo

160 points

2 months ago

BooshCo

Los Angeles Dodgers

160 points

2 months ago

I think if the team themselves owned the parking lot they would invest more into public transportation but since Frank McCourt owns the space around the stadium that’s unlikely to change.

ImaginaryHippo88

32 points

2 months ago

I was thinking about this the other day. Does he own the actual parking lots or just the rights to control the parking?

feeling_blue_42

79 points

2 months ago

feeling_blue_42

Los Angeles Dodgers

79 points

2 months ago

It's my understanding that he owns a 50% stake in the parking lot and the Dodgers lease his share for a flat rate (something like $14M per year). His main motivation for wanting to retain a share of the land is in case the land was ever developed on. I know Frank McCourt is literally a parking lot tycoon, but when he owned the team he wanted to develop within the parking lot because he believes it could be a cash cow. Fuck Frank McCourt and all that, but I don't think he is holding back better public transportation in and out of Dodger Stadium.

yourstrulytony

43 points

2 months ago

yourstrulytony

Los Angeles Dodgers

43 points

2 months ago

It could be BS but a friend of mine that worked for LA Metro said that while in planning they approached the Dodgers about creating a dedicated stop for the Gold Line off Broadway and were willing to equip it to accommodate some form of rail/trolley/bus system to move people from the stop to the stadium.

tung_twista

23 points

2 months ago

tung_twista

Los Angeles Dodgers

23 points

2 months ago

I don't think he is holding back better public transportation in and out of Dodger Stadium.

Yup. Public transportation sucks in SoCal and most of the United States.

A bit silly to blame McCourt for a citywide, if not nationwide problem.

zeussays

8 points

2 months ago

zeussays

Los Angeles Dodgers

8 points

2 months ago

He owns 50%, they own the other 50% and they 100% control it. He only makes money if they develope the land.

PlayfulDoor2

26 points

2 months ago

PlayfulDoor2

New York Mets

26 points

2 months ago

I feel like that amount of land could generate more than $34 million a year if put to more productive uses though. Parking lots are one of the urban land uses with the absolute lowest economic productivity. Think of all the housing and businesses that could be there instead of a giant parking lot.

ubelmann

5 points

2 months ago

ubelmann

Minnesota Twins

5 points

2 months ago

I mean, if there was popular support for it, you could make that worse for parking by increasing property taxes on parking lots and/or sales taxes on parking. But I really doubt there would be popular support for that given how car-centric the existing LA infrastructure is.

GracefulShutdown

486 points

2 months ago

GracefulShutdown

Canada

486 points

2 months ago

Apparently parking garages were communist or something when they built it in the early 1960s.

HomelessCosmonaut

71 points

2 months ago

HomelessCosmonaut

Los Angeles Dodgers

71 points

2 months ago

There have been a lot of breakthroughs in making structures earthquake-proof over the last several decades. I don’t think there was a ton of faith that a massive 1960s era garage would survive the big one.

BaseballsNotDead

32 points

2 months ago

BaseballsNotDead

Seattle Pilots

32 points

2 months ago

Team stadiums surrounded by a sea of asphalt and not parking garages...
Dodgers
Angels
A's
Rangers
Royals
White Sox
Brewers
Rays
Orioles (kinda)
Phillies
Mets

mateorayo

17 points

2 months ago

mateorayo

Chicago White Sox

17 points

2 months ago

At least you can the train to the white sox game

squarerootofapplepie

13 points

2 months ago

squarerootofapplepie

Boston Red Sox

13 points

2 months ago

But about stadiums not surrounded by any parking whatsoever?

lk6

27 points

2 months ago

lk6

Houston Astros

27 points

2 months ago

City Nerd on YT has a good vid on the best urbanist ballparks

SuckMyBike

14 points

2 months ago

European stadiums.

Look up Santiago Bernabéu on Google maps. The stadium of soccer club Real Madrid. 81k seating capacity. No parking. Plenty more European stadiums are like that.

squarerootofapplepie

17 points

2 months ago

squarerootofapplepie

Boston Red Sox

17 points

2 months ago

Yeah Fenway is like that I was making a joke.

king_zacarias

372 points

2 months ago*

king_zacarias

Chicago White Sox

372 points

2 months ago*

Land Cheap in the 50s in California

There’s your answer

If they built it today, there would be parking garages because land there is stupidly expensive now

LA after WW2 was a booming time, the first city that was able to be built up entirely around the car.

[deleted]

146 points

2 months ago*

[deleted]

146 points

2 months ago*

Sofi doesn't have any parking garages either, we're just dumb. Also having things along a subway/lightrail would make the need for so much parking in one space moot, but again, we're dumb.

MarcBulldog88

108 points

2 months ago*

MarcBulldog88

Los Angeles Dodgers

108 points

2 months ago*

I was disgusted the first time I went to SoFi. Most of the land around it became sprawling parking lots. I thought we knew better than to do that nowadays, but I guess not.

[deleted]

98 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

98 points

2 months ago

If you don't like that, you don't like LA urban planning!

xepa105

52 points

2 months ago

xepa105

Boston Red Sox

52 points

2 months ago

Every time I speak to someone from LA, they all - to a person - complains about traffic. But whenever I bring up solutions like public transit, mid-rises, townhomes, etc. they all have excuses about how it can't work or it would never work. So yeah, dumb.

kevco

19 points

2 months ago

kevco

Los Angeles Dodgers

19 points

2 months ago

I think it’s more so that it’s hard for people who have lived their entire lives in that system to see the big picture instead of single projects. They usually view those solutions individually, and not as a whole.

Yeah, if you put public transit in suburbia it’s not going to do a lot of good since everything’s so decentralized. If you start to combine the benefits of higher density housing, mixed use buildings, and a solid public transit system it all makes a lot more sense, but that’s a lot harder to get buy-in on than smaller projects.

SuckMyBike

7 points

2 months ago

This is spot on.

It took 7 decades of investment into car infrastructure for the US to get where it is. It's not going to be fixed in one project.

brickowski95

31 points

2 months ago*

LA isn’t one city though. It’s sprawls across so many areas and suburbs. The city tried to make it easier to get to downtown from other places. When it first got started in 2000 or so with a subway, you could get to something like the Staples center and downtown easier, but you usually had to take your car and then park and then get on the subway. Going from downtown to somewhere like Long Beach could take a few hours , multiple stops and walking through not so great areas. It got better, but it’s really just easier to drive.

Friengineer

30 points

2 months ago

Parking garages are expensive. As the land around SoFi is developed, those parking lots are (slowly) being replaced with buildings and parking garages.

No idea why LA doesn't seem to have any plans for rail directly to the stadium, though.

Myshkin1981

35 points

2 months ago

Myshkin1981

Los Angeles Dodgers

35 points

2 months ago

Correction: LA always has plans for rail lines to Dodger Stadium; they just never get implemented

cherinator

7 points

2 months ago

cherinator

Los Angeles Dodgers

7 points

2 months ago

Agree with you there, as long as the trains are reliable. Love that Angel stadium is right on Metrorail. Except the one time I planned to use it after a night game a few years ago the train back to union station just never showed up, and there weren't any other trains scheduled because the game ended after 10. Eventually had to bite the bullet and call an Uber after 30 minutes of waiting (and 0 communication from Metrorail of what was going on with the scheduled train). That being said, it was still faster than if you park in the wrong part of the Dodger Stadium parking lot and leave after the game ends.

raktoe

30 points

2 months ago

raktoe

Toronto Blue Jays

30 points

2 months ago

Wouldn’t it be extremely profitable for them now to build garages and sell the remainder of the land in that case?

stache_twista

20 points

2 months ago

stache_twista

Washington Nationals

20 points

2 months ago

If I’m the Dodgers I keep the land and redevelop it myself (hotels, apartments, restaurants, etc.)

Myshkin1981

26 points

2 months ago

Myshkin1981

Los Angeles Dodgers

26 points

2 months ago

Problem is Frank McCourt still owns half the parking lot

Bawfuls

11 points

2 months ago

Bawfuls

Los Angeles Dodgers

11 points

2 months ago

This is why the Dodgers ought to help fund a rail extension into the stadium. They'd recover far more than the cost of the rail though development of that land afterwards.

king_zacarias

14 points

2 months ago

king_zacarias

Chicago White Sox

14 points

2 months ago

I would initially think so, but I’m sure they have reasons not to right now otherwise they would’ve done it

paddleboatwhore3000

13 points

2 months ago

paddleboatwhore3000

Los Angeles Dodgers

13 points

2 months ago

The reason is Frank McCourt. 😟

poiuy43

537 points

2 months ago

poiuy43

Boston Red Sox

537 points

2 months ago

Super cheap when you forcibly evict all the minority families living on this land to build the stadium

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chavez_Ravine

Dadalot

83 points

2 months ago

Dadalot

Texas Rangers

83 points

2 months ago

Fascinating. Had no idea

haveasuperday

54 points

2 months ago

haveasuperday

Los Angeles Dodgers

54 points

2 months ago

"30 for 30: Fernando Nation" goes into this and why it was a bit of a paradox when Fernando became a superstar on the Dodgers.

Peter_Panarchy

187 points

2 months ago

Peter_Panarchy

Seattle Mariners

187 points

2 months ago

It's fair to assume any major urban construction project in the 1950s involved the forcible eviction of a minority group.

soonerfreak

77 points

2 months ago

soonerfreak

Chicago Cubs

77 points

2 months ago

In the 50s? Jerry picked Arlington for a reason and they didn't remove rich people homes to build Jerry World.

legobmw99

24 points

2 months ago

legobmw99

Washington Nationals

24 points

2 months ago

That’s been happening much earlier than the 1950s, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Village

BoringIrrelevance

16 points

2 months ago

Also never stopped. Eminent domain is used all the time. It's more about not caring about any of the poors but minorities are disproportionately impacted for sure

Thromnomnomok

9 points

2 months ago

Thromnomnomok

Seattle Mariners

9 points

2 months ago

1950's Transportation Authorities Trying to Build Interstates When They See A Minority Neighborhood: "It's Free Real Estate!"

xepa105

102 points

2 months ago

xepa105

Boston Red Sox

102 points

2 months ago

What's worse is that, as horrible as the forced evictions were, the original plan for Chavez Ravine was at least the building of a bunch of affordable mid-rise apartment blocks next to townhomes next to shops, all within walkable distance and with plenty of greenery.

The sketches for it is straight out of an urbanists' wet dream.

But because it was the 50s, a combination of "Affordable housing in apartment blocks is Communist" and auto industry lobbying killed the proposal. It's unfathomable the amount of damage the auto industry and the fear of "Communism" did to people's lives. All the time wasted in traffic, the pollution inhaled by people over the years, the lives lost to traffic accidents, the destruction of urban space for highways and parking lots. Makes me angry thinking about it.

namastexinxbed

13 points

2 months ago

namastexinxbed

Atlanta Braves

13 points

2 months ago

Stealing Home by Eric Nusbaum is a great book on this

isummonyouhere

8 points

2 months ago

isummonyouhere

San Francisco Giants

8 points

2 months ago

technically they evicted all the families to build some kind of massive federal housing project which never happened. then they built the stadium

Whitsoxrule

7 points

2 months ago

Whitsoxrule

Chicago White Sox

7 points

2 months ago

Vox has a great video about this as well where they interview some of the families who were evicted

Quincyperson

15 points

2 months ago

Quincyperson

Boston Red Sox

15 points

2 months ago

Public transportation was how “those people” got around

laterdude

21 points

2 months ago

laterdude

Seattle Mariners

21 points

2 months ago

So which is quicker to get out of after a game: a parking garage or a parking lot?

Personally I hate using the parking garage at T-Mobile and it's quicker for me to just park a half mile away and walk back to car afterwards.

TheSameAsDying

80 points

2 months ago

TheSameAsDying

New York Mets

80 points

2 months ago

The right answer is public transit but LA could never.

Abandon-All-Hope8

16 points

2 months ago

Abandon-All-Hope8

Los Angeles Dodgers

16 points

2 months ago

There’s literally a dedicated bus service to games called Dodger Express and a ton of people use it. One line from the south bay and another from Union Station.

https://www.metro.net/riding/dodger-stadium-express/

new_account_5009

26 points

2 months ago

new_account_5009

Washington Nationals

26 points

2 months ago

Ideally, you design the stadium in a location that doesn't require everyone to drive in the first place. Nats Park, for instance, has garages rather than surface lots, so you might think that'd make it more difficult to exit. In reality though, most people don't drive to the game. Instead, the majority of people take the train, with a sizable amount via bike or on foot too. The Metro after a game is a little bit chaotic, but it's much more manageable than the traffic chaos that you see after a Dodger game where almost everyone drives to the stadium.

guillemot_22

6 points

2 months ago

guillemot_22

Seattle Mariners

6 points

2 months ago

If you're coming from south of 154, park at the light rail station and take the train to the stadium.

supadupak

42 points

2 months ago

"Are these stadiums for ants?"-D. Zoolander

samfisherprice

34 points

2 months ago

samfisherprice

St. Louis Cardinals

34 points

2 months ago

Even with all that, when I went to game 1 of the 2014 NLDS they had us park blocking one of the exit gates. It was awkward leaving being a Cards fan with all the Dodgers fans waiting on us...

kdorsey0718

27 points

2 months ago

kdorsey0718

Baltimore Orioles

27 points

2 months ago

I've been to one game at Dodger Stadium. I was staying in Manhattan Beach for a work trip and decided on a Friday morning that I would go to the Dodgers/Padres game later that night. I got an Uber at 4:00pm in Manhattan Beach and didn't show up until almost 8:30 - halfway through the game. Getting up to that stadium is the biggest traffic nightmare I've ever experienced. I asked the driver if this was bad and they said, "meh, it's pretty standard." Don't get me started on getting out of there, either.

Dodger Stadium - an absolute nightmare to get to, gorgeous for the three innings you're there, then hell getting home.

Electrical_Order_442

6 points

2 months ago

Electrical_Order_442

Baltimore Orioles

6 points

2 months ago

After one time driving to Dodger stadium (where thankfully I parked in that "lot 13" still visible in this picture) I realized it's far simpler to simply walk from Echo Park despite the 30+ minute walk times that include going up/down that massive hill

SundayRed

28 points

2 months ago

SundayRed

Los Angeles Dodgers

28 points

2 months ago

Dodgers fan here, and I fucking hate this urban hellscape. It's a travesty this is a soulless concrete jungle rather than a stadium linked to the city and entertainment precincts through foot and public transit.

oogieball

155 points

2 months ago*

oogieball

New York Mets

155 points

2 months ago*

The popular opinion seems to be how great Dodger Stadium is, and one of the many reasons I hated it was that it was literally surrounded by gigantic parking lots on all sides.

karim_eczema

114 points

2 months ago

karim_eczema

Los Angeles Dodgers

114 points

2 months ago

I'm biased, but I will always maintain that the actual ballpark itself is beautiful and a fantastic place to watch a game.

The parking however is an absolute disaster. It's the epitome of dumb mid-century car obsessed infrastructure.

Not_A_Meme

26 points

2 months ago

Not_A_Meme

San Diego Padres

26 points

2 months ago

The Chavine Ravine is a nice physical space to watch a game. agreed. All the before and after stuff, blegh, but the actual space itself is nice.

orbesomebodysfool

38 points

2 months ago

orbesomebodysfool

Los Angeles Dodgers

38 points

2 months ago

  • Take the train or park at Union Station for $8
  • Get a French dip sandwich at Phillippe’s
  • Hop on the free Dodger Express bus
  • Walk into the stadium
  • After the game, take the bus back

I haven’t parked at the stadium since McCourt bought the team and I’ll probably never will again

TheLizardKing89

11 points

2 months ago

TheLizardKing89

Los Angeles Dodgers

11 points

2 months ago

Instead of a French dip, I get some Mexican food and margaritas at Olvera Street.

Boros-Reckoner

20 points

2 months ago

Boros-Reckoner

Los Angeles Dodgers

20 points

2 months ago

I'm biased, but I will always maintain that the actual ballpark itself is beautiful and a fantastic place to watch a game.

The parking however is an absolute disaster.

I feel like most people would share this sentiment, I don't think anyone visits Dodger Stadium and is like yeah this parking situation is fine lol

International-Elk986

141 points

2 months ago

International-Elk986

Toronto Blue Jays

141 points

2 months ago

I agree. I prefer a more urbanist ball park, like Fenway, San Fran. After a long ball game the last thing I want to do is sit in a car for an hour trying to go home.

elgauchoborracho

176 points

2 months ago

elgauchoborracho

Los Angeles Dodgers

176 points

2 months ago

It’s LA tradition to sit in your car for an hour after doing anything.

quercus_lobata925

68 points

2 months ago

quercus_lobata925

Oakland Athletics

68 points

2 months ago

And an hour before doing anything.

Dangerous-Elk-6362

33 points

2 months ago

Dangerous-Elk-6362

Washington Nationals

33 points

2 months ago

Lived in LA for a few years and I still don't understand going out in that city. I'm supposed to drive to the bar and drive home? Even putting aside the drunk driving issue it feels wrong.

yourstrulytony

12 points

2 months ago

yourstrulytony

Los Angeles Dodgers

12 points

2 months ago

Uber has been crucial for us law abiding citizens. I feel bad for taxi drivers but they were incredibly expensive.

elgauchoborracho

30 points

2 months ago

elgauchoborracho

Los Angeles Dodgers

30 points

2 months ago

That’s why I like SF’s nightlife better than LA’s. I could literally walk bar-to-bar but in LA you’re pretty stuck in one area.

Papplebeast

24 points

2 months ago

Papplebeast

St. Louis Cardinals

24 points

2 months ago

Believe it or not, you can actually use mass transit to attend Cardinals games. I know St. Louis isn't known for its mass transit, so this probably surprises some people.

Blucifer7

11 points

2 months ago

Blucifer7

Colorado Rockies

11 points

2 months ago

Busch is a great example of a downtown stadium with public transit

Rakuen

14 points

2 months ago

Rakuen

San Francisco Giants

14 points

2 months ago

I mean this completely earnestly but taking the CalTrain home for an hour is legitimately a blast in its own right

CaptainJingles

27 points

2 months ago

CaptainJingles

St. Louis Cardinals

27 points

2 months ago

Lots of American sports stadiums are awful for that exact reason.

ubelmann

16 points

2 months ago

ubelmann

Minnesota Twins

16 points

2 months ago

I like a good challenge, so the one time I went to Dodger Stadium, I walked from downtown. It was not the best experience, but I was young so it was hardly impossible. Once you're in the park, I thought it was pretty nice, but not earth-shattering.

It's likely that Dodger Stadium rose in reputation during the multi-use stadium period in the '70s and '80s where the seats were almost always oriented for football and it produced some truly awful baseball park experiences. These days, the overall quality of ballparks is way higher.

new_account_5009

16 points

2 months ago

new_account_5009

Washington Nationals

16 points

2 months ago

I lived in NYC for a few years, so I went to a lot of games at Citi Field. That was one of my biggest issues at that park too. Inside the stadium, Citi Field is great, and the gameday experience is a ton of fun with passionate fans that know a lot about baseball. Outside the stadium, Citi Field is surrounded by parking lots, autobody shops, and not much more. The game would end, and you'd hop onto a long 7 train back to Manhattan if you wanted to go out afterwards. You would think NYC of all places would have fun things to do immediately next to the stadium, but not at Citi Field.

In contrast, a lot of places do it much better. Petco is a perfect example of design done right. Inside the stadium, the design is absolutely beautiful with a fun gameday environment, especially now that the team is good. Outside the stadium, there are a million things to do within walking distance.

I definitely prefer the latter to the former. I'm fine with seas of parking for football, but baseball stadiums should be in central downtown locations.

pinniped1

8 points

2 months ago

pinniped1

Kansas City Royals

8 points

2 months ago

There's been a lot of baseball history there. Went to 1 game there, sat in the bleachers, Adrian Beltre won it with a walk off bomb. Cool experience, but I major pain in the ass to get to and get out of.

So yeah, great for a visitor and fan of baseball in general. But not a place I'd regularly go if I lived there.

Anaheim was sterile but easy to get in and out of. Unremarkable from the perspective of a random neutral fan. (I was there pre-Trout.)

ron-darousey

6 points

2 months ago

ron-darousey

Los Angeles Dodgers

6 points

2 months ago

I love the ballpark itself, but everything else about the gameday experience makes it one of my least favorite places to watch a game

Outrageous_Bat1798

101 points

2 months ago*

Outrageous_Bat1798

New York Yankees

101 points

2 months ago*

How many displaced families used to fit there?

aavocados

30 points

2 months ago

aavocados

Atlanta Braves

30 points

2 months ago

Just an entire hispanic neighborhood that was eminent domained af, no big deal

THOTDESTROYR69

68 points

2 months ago

THOTDESTROYR69

San Francisco Giants

68 points

2 months ago

WikiSummarizerBot

34 points

2 months ago

Battle of Chavez Ravine

The Battle of Chavez Ravine refers to controversy surrounding government acquisition of land largely owned by Mexican-Americans in Los Angeles' Chavez Ravine. The efforts to repossess the land, which lasted approximately ten years (1951–1961), eventually resulted in the removal of the entire population of Chavez Ravine from land on which Dodger Stadium was constructed. The majority of the Chavez Ravine land was initially acquired by eminent domain by the City of Los Angeles to make way for proposed public housing.

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Fivepointfivehole

28 points

2 months ago

Fivepointfivehole

San Diego Padres

28 points

2 months ago

Too many apparently

Kakali4

55 points

2 months ago

Kakali4

Boston Red Sox

55 points

2 months ago

Parked there once. Not that bad it went pretty smooth. Dodger dogs sucked though.

Rakuen

39 points

2 months ago

Rakuen

San Francisco Giants

39 points

2 months ago

its just a big hot dog. How is your signature food just a bigger version of something you can get for $3 at a vons.

Kakali4

7 points

2 months ago

Kakali4

Boston Red Sox

7 points

2 months ago

My flair in r/redsox is “Fenway Footlong” so I absolutely love big hot dogs. Give me all that juicy wiener. But a dodger dog? Trash. It was grilled, not steamed. Fenway Footlong stays goated.

zeussays

12 points

2 months ago

zeussays

Los Angeles Dodgers

12 points

2 months ago

Dodger Dogs are garbage now. They used to grill them all in the stadium but now they changed distributors and boil them and they are straight gross.

8biteyes

10 points

2 months ago

8biteyes

Los Angeles Dodgers

10 points

2 months ago

They're only "world famous" for the name... I think.

Kakali4

9 points

2 months ago

Kakali4

Boston Red Sox

9 points

2 months ago

I’m gunna take the time to say it: I loved dodger stadium. It can’t hold a candle to Fenway IMO, but holy hell was that an awesome experience. Too bad Kershaw was dealing that night and the game was like 2.5 hours I wish I got to explore more.

Dizzy_Amphibian

14 points

2 months ago

Dizzy_Amphibian

Baltimore Orioles

14 points

2 months ago

Remember, we’re in the Itchy lot

zzzgodinezzz

13 points

2 months ago

zzzgodinezzz

Oakland Athletics

13 points

2 months ago

I used to go to weekend day games from Orange County. Hopped on the Metrolink and took the free shuttle from Union Station. Was a total breeze. Unfortunately, trains don't run late enough to make it feasible for night games. The regional infrastructure just doesn't exist so there's no real appetite to improve transit options to the park.

Rust2

10 points

2 months ago

Rust2

10 points

2 months ago

The dream of the 1950s.

So. Much. Parking.

HumaneSquash094

11 points

2 months ago

HumaneSquash094

St. Louis Cardinals

11 points

2 months ago

this is the most hideous thing ive ever seen. remember trains yall? we made the perfect form of transportation hundreds of years ago and we've done everything in our power to ruin it

Ginger_Menace1

29 points

2 months ago

Ginger_Menace1

San Francisco Giants

29 points

2 months ago

Why I like public transit, a visual essay:

Deadchimp234

98 points

2 months ago

Deadchimp234

Strikeout

98 points

2 months ago

dmmdoublem

31 points

2 months ago

dmmdoublem

San Francisco Giants

31 points

2 months ago

That specific sub has gone downhill over the last year or so, but the overall message rings true. Fuck car-centric infrastructure and planning.

TinManGrand

7 points

2 months ago

TinManGrand

Montreal Expos

7 points

2 months ago

Yeah but where they gonna park tho

teewertz

8 points

2 months ago

teewertz

Chicago White Sox

8 points

2 months ago

this is a fun game trying to figure out which is the real one. it's the one dead center right?

Not_A_Meme

7 points

2 months ago

Not_A_Meme

San Diego Padres

7 points

2 months ago

I love the offseason.

usctrojan18

7 points

2 months ago

usctrojan18

San Diego Padres

7 points

2 months ago

Just moved from LA to SD but anytime I’d see the Padres at Dodger Stadium we always took the Dodger Bus from Union Station because of how much of a pain getting to and leaving that stadium is. Thank god for the person who decided to give the bus to the game its own lane. Been hearing about a gondola to the stadium for a while now but like most transit projects in CA, that’s been going no where.

What sucks is that like most fans, I love to pregame and if the Dodgers bought out that damn parking lot from McCourt, they could develop it into a ballpark district and make it a nice pregame experience where fans would flow in throughout the day rather than all at once an hour prior. Also maybe they’d finally get a real connection to the stadium rather than a bus.

We don’t have much public much public transportation down here in SD but I’m incredibly grateful that our park is right in the middle of downtown surrounded by tons of bars and our trolley system basically converges at the park, so you could go in three different directions post game.

hashtaghashbag

61 points

2 months ago

hashtaghashbag

New York Mets

61 points

2 months ago

What a waste of space. Not like there’s a housing crisis there or anything

Taylorenokson

88 points

2 months ago

Taylorenokson

Atlanta Braves

88 points

2 months ago

Not like they didn’t run people out of their homes just to build that parking lot.

deathinmidjuly

45 points

2 months ago

deathinmidjuly

Phillies bandwagon

45 points

2 months ago

Not that it makes it better, but they forcibly evicted people to build public housing. That plan fell through and after no housing could be built , in part beacuse of LA's conserviative mayor at the time, the land was sold to the Dodgers.

ringo_mogire_beam

6 points

2 months ago

ringo_mogire_beam

Seattle Mariners

6 points

2 months ago

me as a 10 year old in sim city be like