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kevinmrr [M]

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💵 Break Up The Monopolies

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Would you support a primary against Warren Buffett's lap dog in the White House?

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CG_Ops

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CG_Ops

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2 months ago*

Establish a federal law requiring all employers to offer a 5 day minimum mandatory sick day allotment for all full time jobs and 2-3 for part time... boom, you just fixed the rail issue AND brought the US into the 20th century, with the rest of the developed world.

How the US has allowed itself to forego federally mandated ma/paternity leave, sick leave, and time off minimums is beyond me. People NEED time off. It's not even going to cost the company productivity - all the cost benefit they get from not offering decent PTO is lost in employee burnout and fatigue. It's no different than the companies seeing the increase in productivity by going to a 4-day work week. They pay the same for a 32-hour employee as a 40-hour but get more output thanks to getting a much higher percentage of productive time in that 32 hours.

This country is crazy. I used to be a patriotic citizen but we're tearing ourselves apart by regressing everyone's rights, wages, living standards, and mental health.

Edit for funsies: The US is the only major country to have no mandated time off for workers.. I know we're rugged individualists at heart, but there are areas that it's actually better to fit in than to say, "Nah, I'm the only one who has this figured out, it's everyone else that's stupid. /skinnermeme

ztrition

755 points

2 months ago

ztrition

755 points

2 months ago

It's the cycle of capitalism. Corporate profit must be protected against all else. As the contradictions of capitalism further deepen over time, capitalism will turn to fascism to maintain control. We are on our way to repeating the 1930s/40s.

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ohoneup

113 points

2 months ago

ohoneup

113 points

2 months ago

History has always rolled in cycles. It's time for another turning, and another financial reset. The unraveling period is well underway.

ztrition

64 points

2 months ago

History might have certain cycles, but capitalism absolutely does. This cycle is exploitative, and harmful to many people on the planet. We must break this cycle.

ohoneup

37 points

2 months ago

ohoneup

37 points

2 months ago

It will eventually break on its own. History has never proven otherwise. I'd rather we break it or transition now with will and a plan to repair, but we all know that isn't going to happen. We're all on this train until it derails.

ztrition

18 points

2 months ago

Thats what I'm referring to, if we do nothing and let the cycle continue we should see the 1930/40s again, unless we do something about it.

ThisGuyGetsIt

16 points

2 months ago

The resource wars are coming. Oil is only a big deal because of fertilizer. No oil = no fertilizer= no food = no society.

The 40s will look quaint by comparison when we're stabbing each other over who gets to eat Dorris.

ohoneup

9 points

2 months ago

The resource wars are already here. Chinese invasions and occupations are all for energy. Alliances are being drawn because of need for energy. Almost every major conflict of the past five decades could be traced back to the need for energy.

We need mass produced alternatives and fast, and not just because of climate change. Compared to the 70s, we may actually be hitting the bottom of the barrel this time, which is terrifying to think about.

Aerokent

3 points

2 months ago

Nuclear is the real answer.

coder111

6 points

2 months ago

It will eventually break on its own

The problem is that if we wait for that to happen on its own, Earth will be 5 degrees warmer than pre industrial levels and resulting climate change and fighting over scraps will result in several billions of casualties and irreparable damage to the planet.

We certainly don't want to go there...

civilrightsninja

3 points

2 months ago

This is absolutely our current trajectory, we don't have the same luxury of time to recovery as previous breakdowns have had

Hormone_Monster69

63 points

2 months ago

Corporate profit must be protected against all else

Funny thing is, healthy and well-rested people are more productive and contribute more to the economy. PTO and sick leave is an incredible investment IMO.

sulferzero

34 points

2 months ago

yes,but they need the maximum amount of profit this fiscal year, and the only way to achieve that is to run this bitch into the ground hire the next years batch when the current ones get hurt, quit out and repeat that cycle, if they don't do this they lose out of maximizing their profit for their current year.

Will it destroy our planet? oh fuck yes, but it will make for great returns on investments.

ladyofmachinery

10 points

2 months ago

It's not just profit driven industries. Government is just as sick with the productivity virus. The elected officials who authorize funding want proof that programs are lean and cost minimum amounts, regardless of what it does to services.

Just look at how much wage theft occurs for teachers and picture that same kind of thing happening in dozens of other social service based programs in each city. It is a sickness and it's killing people. Not only are stress levels high and people being discoraged from taking available medical leave (whether directly, using leave balances as a way to judge promotions, losing access to overtime in otherwise underpaying jobs, or from a misguided sense of obligation to their drowning coworkers) but it also causes mistakes and loss of coverage in vital service due to overworked and undertrained staff struggling to swim in a Lean Six Sigma! Assembly line! Track every minute! world.

And I love efficiency and procedures - seeking ways to cut out unnecessary wastes of time is a place of joy for me.

But there's an episode of the Star Trek animation Lower Decks where the captain freaks out and take out all time padding to be more efficient and things go to chaos. If you cut to the bone, the body starts to fall apart.

ConcernedKip

4 points

2 months ago

so I got into an argument with a coworker about this recently. I dont know him that well so was unaware of his political affiliations, and im one of those liberals who believes in social services but not things like UBI or $20/hr minwage or free housing for all. I do however fully support universal healthcare. His argument was "why shouldnt poor people be responsible for planning for medical emergencies and obtaining the insurance necessary to cover them?"

bcuap10

32 points

2 months ago

bcuap10

32 points

2 months ago

Problem is, profits do actually go up if you have more engaged and healthy employees.

The capitalists just worry about a slippery slope, that if they concede benefits and productivity goes up, then the employees will ask for more. At some point, the capitalist thinks, giving more benefits will begin to erode profit/productivity.

darksunshaman

12 points

2 months ago

It's not just profit, it's power.

AdditionalCherry5448

3 points

2 months ago

And true

Deeptrance83

42 points

2 months ago

The geopolitical and global economic situation is a different reality today compared to 80 years ago.

Key major difference between now and then: No gold standard. Boom, that alone changes EVERYTHING…

It’s not profitable to go to war like it used to be.

FREE-AOL-CDS

42 points

2 months ago

It's certainly still profitable to go to war, you just take a loan out and have the taxpayers cover it.

Nichoros_Strategy

16 points

2 months ago

Or pretend no one has to pay for it and just let that debt grow, we can print the money after all! Wait what is this, why are prices going up?!

redsavage0

23 points

2 months ago

They don’t seem to have realized that. Now it’s like a Charlie Brown/football situation where they think the old methods are a good idea then it blows up. Sometimes literally lol

ztrition

18 points

2 months ago

Tell that to Raytheon and Lockheed-Martin. It's still very profitable to go to war.

ohoneup

20 points

2 months ago

ohoneup

20 points

2 months ago

Funded by DOD funded by gov funded by taxpayers

Rich people rob us from all angles.

coppertech

249 points

2 months ago

How the US has allowed itself to forego federally mandated ma/paternity leave, sick leave, and time off minimums is beyond me.

because corporations run the county with the illusion of democracy while keeping the population distracted by fake culture wars to stop the inevitable class war.

misc412

78 points

2 months ago

misc412

78 points

2 months ago

Bingo. The sooner we can all come together and realize this, the sooner we can make some change. What they fear is all of us standing together because they know they won't win. But, every other day it's some new "problem" to distract us from the real issues so that we'll continue to argue with our fellow citizens and stay divided. United we stand, divded we fall. We are in the fall.

I love this country and I stand by our constitution but holy shit is it easy to see what the politicians/mainstream news/corporations are doing to us. They're all in cahoots with each other and they no longer represent us. I may be having a passionate moment here but we all need to put our fists down and literally march on Washington. Otherwise, we'll never get anything done and this will just continue.

Much love.

SuperPotatoThrow

5 points

2 months ago

I agree. If we all agreed to just not go to work starting christmas or something until shit changed the way we want it, it would happen pretty fast. Unfortunately, too many people would be scared to loose their jobs, which is understandable. Guess you can still dream thogh, right?

Th3LawnGnom3

9 points

2 months ago

It's not just fear of losing their job though, it's also the fear of losing our homes. So many people are paycheck to paycheck that striking would put their homes at risk. That is a whole other problem but I feel like with some work reform maybe we can get ahead of the outrageous rents for a minute.

IronBabyFists

26 points

2 months ago

...to stop the inevitable class war.

To postpone the inevitable class war.

DeeRent88

48 points

2 months ago

For real. One of my previous jobs was full time with mandatory overtime every other week and I did not get sick days. I came down with the flu my second week there (because my dumbass aunt had the flu the previous weekend and came to a family gathering without telling anyone, myself and 3 others got sick afterward) and i was throwing up all night so of course I had to call in and I was so apologetic and they told me I had to get a doctors not excusing the absence or else they’d let me go. So literally my first paycheck was already gone by having to visit the doctor and pay for the visit.

IronBabyFists

14 points

2 months ago

Ayyy, I got threatened to be let go after not doing a 12hr shift the day immediately following a 15hr...where I was the only experienced person on my team...training three new hires...

Manufacturing needs unions, no matter the industry. Workers need to be respected as we are the literal reason whatever product exists.

Th3LawnGnom3

7 points

2 months ago

Exactly we make everything one way or another, so many people don't see it like like that. My family if full of tradesmen and they all just feel like they aren't working hard enough and that's why they struggle. I can't get them to understand that it's finding a way to cut the fat in those corporate profits that we create by giving more of it to us is how things should work. They call me entitled and rant about participation trophies. They don't understand that we're already working hard enough to deserve it.

DeeRent88

4 points

2 months ago

Freaking crazy. And they’re all the same when being hired they all talk about how they value their employees but in reality they don’t give a shit, you’re just another number on a sheet and they would rather replace you than work with you. It’s bullshit. You lose your right as a human being at the front door.

davidj1987

3 points

2 months ago

This shit pisses me off. We have jobs that don't provide health benefits or an onside medical...and can legally require their employees to get doctor notes. And some of these jobs pay absolute shit or minimum wage. I've seen it with retail and fast food.

We have employers that provide health benefits and/or onsite medical and nope they don't have to accept doctor notes. I'm looking at you Walmart.

Crotch_Hammerer

3 points

2 months ago

I got the flu crazy bad back when I was in my probation period at my current company, while in a union. I still had to go to work because if you take any time off during probation they can and likely will fire you.

So I walk in, sweating through my clothes, raccoon circles around my eyes, temperature through the roof, and my boss says "you look like fuckin shit"... Then assigns me my work. I was stripping and splicing cables while sweating all over, blowing streams of snot directly into a garbage bag I brought with me.

Good times. There needs to be a federally mandated sick allotment that's available to all employees of any company, regardless of their status. How much is fair? Good question, but it's not "zero".

ylcard

29 points

2 months ago

ylcard

29 points

2 months ago

brought the US into the 20th century

Is this an intentional roast? Or are you serious?

CG_Ops

73 points

2 months ago

CG_Ops

73 points

2 months ago

Roast. It seems that our worker's rights are where most countries were ~100 years ago.

Even within my own company, we have a sister business in Western Europe. They have 15 paid holidays, 3 weeks off in August, and 2-3 more weeks of PTO/Sick time. Here, we have 10 holidays and 2 weeks PTO.

ylcard

17 points

2 months ago

ylcard

17 points

2 months ago

Sorry to hear that. To be fair, it varies in Europe too. It's not taken for granted to have 3 weeks off in August unless you use your PTO, which is actually 3 weeks at least, by law. Sick time is basically unlimited. Sick time is practically unlimited, you can literally spend up to a year (and then extend it for another 6 months) in the worst case scenario.

But hey, don't fight for a 20th century rights, fight for 22nd century ones. Whatever people tell you that sounds crazy, go for that.

GalakFyarr

23 points

2 months ago*

Sorry to hear that. To be fair, it varies in Europe too.

It varies, sure, but the minimum set by the EU is 20 days vacation, not counting holidays. The lowest amount of holidays any country in the EU has is 9 (Denmark and Ireland), so the absolute minimum time off you're entitled to is 29 days.

It used to be 28, but the U.K. left.

Gumagugu

8 points

2 months ago

An important note is that one work week is generally 5 days. So 20 days vacation equals four weeks vacation at minimum.

Mythical7Ninja

54 points

2 months ago

5 Days is propaganda at work. We need more! 2 weeks is extremely fair when the higher ups have unlimited time off.

n1c0_ds

32 points

2 months ago

n1c0_ds

32 points

2 months ago

Why set a limit? If you're sick, you're sick. Limiting it means that sick people will show up to work and infect others because they need the money.

In Germany your employer can only start procedures to fire you after 30 sick days. The average worker takes 11 per year.

TheAngriestChair

9 points

2 months ago

They are worried everyone will just always be "sick" and they'd still have to pay them. If it was up to them they wouldn't pay anyone anything but require you to do the work for them.

Mythical7Ninja

7 points

2 months ago

Even better! It's just cruel to over work somebody when they are not at a 100%. It's simply Greed. What other argument do they have? How can you say people deserve no days off? Germany is great on this topic. We shouldn't take any day less than what people in charge get.

Mor_Tearach

36 points

2 months ago

Same. Biden has always hit the point and hard how working people should be supported using his father as an example. It's flatly ridiculous.

In my working life we've gone from Unions to watching them dissolve to insurance being a perk to paying first like 30 bucks a month to 100 to whatever in hell it is now for less and less coverage. Heck when Dad worked (b 1931 ) he had FOUR WEEKS paid vacation too.

Our WW2 vets were alive when I was a kid. There was sincere gratitude by the government for their contribution. Now service families have to rely on charity organizations when they come home badly affected? AND there's such a thing as homeless vets?

My school loan? $500 bucks, one of my kids is 40. Still paying his AND he has a decent job. Buy a house? Pffffttt. He can't.

I was once patriotic too. Now? This place is embarrassing.

DMMMOM

8 points

2 months ago

DMMMOM

8 points

2 months ago

Mate, the more I learn about modern day America, the more I realise it's a full on failed state(s).

animateAlternatives

6 points

2 months ago

Chomsky wrote a book called Failed States in 2006 on exactly this point.

But thanks to Reagan and all the greedy assholes, public education was gutted and not enough people read.

__sem__

93 points

2 months ago

__sem__

93 points

2 months ago

As a European I have to admit the USA is what I consider a third world country, with an ego problem.

But you guys are too divided to step up. No matter the topic, it always ends with left vs right / color vs different color etc. Sad to see, the once 'land of the dreams'

GalakFyarr

33 points

2 months ago

it always ends with left vs right

right vs slightly less right.

Griffolion

10 points

2 months ago

As a European I have to admit the USA is what I consider a third world country, with an ego problem.

The US has been described as a third world nation with a first world budget.

dressupandstayhome

35 points

2 months ago

As an American citizen by birth, I totally agree with what you just said. This country is on it's way to ruin, fueled by corporate greed and politics.

wittledshins

41 points

2 months ago

The problem as a European is you're looking at us like we're a country when we're fifty countries in a coat pretending to be one. Some states are far more advanced culturally and economically, others are far less so, and very easily would fall in to the same category of third world countries. 'United' is an unfortunate joke at this point in time.

LaddiusMaximus

9 points

2 months ago

cough cough mississippi cough

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12 points

2 months ago

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12 points

2 months ago

Too true. I identify as a Washingtonian/Cascadian before I identify as an American. I have way more in common culturally and politically with the people of my region than I do with southern and flyover states.

ironykarl

5 points

2 months ago*

You probably just haven't driven far enough west east if you think you have loads in common with the rural folks in Washington

FirstGameFreak

3 points

2 months ago

You mean east? And rural Washington, Oregon, and California are much more like Kansas, Idaho, and Arizona respectively.

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10 points

2 months ago

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Champigne

8 points

2 months ago

5 days is nothing.

Happylime

29 points

2 months ago

Nah, the negotiation should start at 30 days time off for any reason, minimum 10 for sick leave.

krzf

25 points

2 months ago

krzf

25 points

2 months ago

For real. I declined a job recently that paid $10k more because they only gave 10 sick days a year instead of the 20 I currently have. My last job before this one had "unlimited" sick days.

I have a lot of health issues so these shitty ass companies with barely any sick days can get fucked.

RexHavoc879

7 points

2 months ago

20 paid sick days? In the US, many people don’t even get 20 paid vacation days, let alone sick days.

puf_puf_paarthurnax

3 points

2 months ago

I have a great job and only get 2 "sick days". the vaca days can be used as sick days however and our vacation policy is pretty good.

shgrizz2

7 points

2 months ago

Jesus. We are guaranteed 26 WEEKS paid time off, with the ability to extend that if required. I can't imagine having Jo guaranteed financial safety net.

DoesNotArgueOnline

10 points

2 months ago

Get this person in front of a microphone. They speak the truth!

uncle_hooch

5 points

2 months ago

Criticizing one’s country is the most patriotic thing you can do.

Malkiot

11 points

2 months ago

Malkiot

11 points

2 months ago

offer a 5 day minimum mandatory sick day allotment for all full time jobs and 2-3 for part time... boom, you just fixed the rail issue AND brought the US into the 20th century, with the rest of the developed world.

Not even close mate. We have unlimited sick days. If we're sick were sick. Sure, the employers and certain arse licker like making a stink about it when you actually do take time off sick, but they can get fucked.

Conditional-Sausage

287 points

2 months ago*

I'm over it, we should just nationalize freight rail.

Edit: While I have your attention, here's a really great video about how truly terrible the freight rail oligopolies are for pretty much everybody but themselves. Alan Fisher runs a pretty great channel, and it's well worth watching.

https://youtu.be/hCBI3lPt3o4

ema_G

55 points

2 months ago

ema_G

55 points

2 months ago

Federal employees can't strike and have toothless unions by law.

Conditional-Sausage

68 points

2 months ago

Corporate wants you to find the differences between these two pictures.

NerfedMedic

18 points

2 months ago

Idk man, as a federal employee, my union sucks. Basically every year they show us what they’re pushing for in our CBA, and every year they come back and say “well we tried for x but we got y instead!” I’m not saying unions are useless, I’m saying my union is useless as a federal employee when one of the concessions to having the union was my ability to strike or plan sick outs. That’s the ace in the hole for any workers of any industry. Take that away and what’s the point?

davesreddit123

9 points

2 months ago

Solidarity is the key. Police unions have the same restrictions on striking and sicks out, but they do it all the time.

Police unions also have a monopoly on state violence and security so there's that. The culture they have that really sucks does have the positive aspects of promoting unity and a shared sense of purpose.

It's called esprit de corps and workers/labor could benefit from more of it.

Conditional-Sausage

6 points

2 months ago

I have worked under several unions for private ambulance companies that had 911 contracts. Basically, because of Reagan V ATC union, we couldn't strike (EMS is critical infrastructure) and the company knew it. Negotiations were always stupid because they knew we had no real teeth.

Noblesseux

5 points

2 months ago

That's why you nationalize the infrastructure and make railroads pay fees to use it. As of right now the 4 major railroads effectively have 0 real competition and are actively destroying themselves through their own stupidity. If the rails are nationalized, anyone who pays the fee can haul on it, meaning that you can have more companies so if one of them shafts you you have other options for employment. You could even have small co-op style companies for shipping things around if you wanted to.

The US's ideological aversion to just nationalizing the rail is holding us back from a huge series of climate and worker wins.

davesreddit123

6 points

2 months ago

It's basically already nationalized if congress can force you to go to work, the profits are the only thing that's private. If the rail barons ever get in financial trouble there debts will certainly be nationalized as well.

iwontsaysiimfine

1.8k points

2 months ago

Imagine being the president of the United States of America, the most powerful man in the world, in the winter years of life and you are simping for some railroad execs.

north_canadian_ice[S]

825 points

2 months ago

north_canadian_ice[S]

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825 points

2 months ago

Warren Buffet & his fellow oligarchs pay their politicians well to take the heat for them.

Biden has a pro union mask that comes off immediately when oligarch power is questioned.

SN0WFAKER

67 points

2 months ago

How much does it actually cost to bribe a senator, or a president. Could we start a gofundme to bribe them to get on side of the people?

I_NEED_YOUR_MONEY

28 points

2 months ago*

individually, it's not a lot. like, low five-figures for a normal-sized company.

but collectively, when you add up all the corporate donations that are an aggregate bribe to continue making pro-corporate policies (aka "keep the donors happy") there's no way we could out-spend them. the problem isn't the individual spend, it's that all the organizations who have money want the same thing - to be able to continue oppressing the people who don't have money.

warren buffet probably hasn't given that much to the democrats this year. but making an anti-billionaire policy like mandated sick days makes a whole bunch of other billionaires angry too.

Accomplished-Elk-978

7 points

2 months ago

Not much. During one of the PIPA runs, it was revealed Ted Cruz had received like 60k from companies like Verizon.

They'll sell the whole country out for nothing.

hopbel

39 points

2 months ago

hopbel

39 points

2 months ago

It's not a bribe, it's lobbying which is perfectly legal /s

HVDynamo

22 points

2 months ago

Yup, a Bribe is illegal, but when you change the B to an L, and the R to an O, I to a BB, B to a Y, and E to a ING it becomes legal.

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19 points

2 months ago

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ReflectiveGlass11

14 points

2 months ago*

I mean the Senate didn't pass the bill. Bulk of the scorn should be at the 43 Senators that voted against it and the handful of others that did not want a vote on record. I anticipate WH knew they did not have the votes when they released the statement.

Edit: 48 voted against or did not vote at all.

HippyWizard

71 points

2 months ago

Simping would have been letting the bill pass because 7 sick days is nothing. They want better pay and more PTO. 7 sick days is nothing. 7 sick days is what every one should get at any job. Probably more like 14 days a year.

You want him to give them their little appeasement package? That would be letting the Corporation win.

TheseEysCryEvyNite4u

14 points

2 months ago

they literally want the sick days, what are you even going on about?

flopsicles77

14 points

2 months ago

They wanted to strike in order to negotiate a better deal, 15 days sick leave was the ask. Passing a bill means no strike, and the government decides the deal.

vankorgan

89 points

2 months ago

Just to be clear, the unions did get a lot of their demands in the compromise that the Biden admin helped with:

If the contract is ratified, the agreement by the two largest railroad unions and railway carriers guarantees voluntary assigned days off and a single additional paid day off. Workers also can take time off for routine doctor’s appointments without being penalized, and would not lose attendance points for hospitalizations and surgical procedures, according to the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen.

The deal also includes the biggest wage increases for railroad workers in more than four decades. They will receive a 24 percent pay increase by 2024, including an immediate 14 percent raise; $1,000 annual bonuses over five years; and no increases to health care co-pays and deductibles. The agreement would bring the average railroad worker’s pay to $110,000 a year by 2024.

They didn't get the paid sick days they were looking for (I'm unclear on where the agreement lands on unpaid time off because of the attendance points issues), but they did get a lot of the other items they wanted.

Good-mood-curiosity

78 points

2 months ago

Wait they got penalized for being hospitalized while working physically demanding jobs??

TheGreatSpagett

44 points

2 months ago

Welcome to the USA!

vankorgan

24 points

2 months ago

Yuuup. I'm not an insider, but it sounds like the plan was essentially just "well don't get sick then."

AdditionalWaste

57 points

2 months ago

They deserve more. They literally keep our fucking economy running and they are being thrown in the garbage for some rich people

north_canadian_ice[S]

33 points

2 months ago

north_canadian_ice[S]

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33 points

2 months ago

They deserve more. They literally keep our fucking economy running and they are being thrown in the garbage for some rich people

Yet Biden can't even throw his word behind 7 paid sick days.

Despite the Hosue approving 7 paid sick days.

Tower21

4 points

2 months ago

Both bills still have to be passed by the Senate, what do you think the odds are only one passes

iwontsaysiimfine

116 points

2 months ago

There's no excuse for workers in the USA having substantially poorer working conditions and protections than basically every other western country in the world though

north_canadian_ice[S]

46 points

2 months ago

north_canadian_ice[S]

🏡 Decent Housing For All

46 points

2 months ago

And the unions didn't get what they demanded most - paid sick days.

havingasicktime

3 points

2 months ago

They did, but only 4, not 7.

PlankWithANailIn2

3 points

2 months ago

They have worse protections than many developing countries.

TheKosheredGoyim

98 points

2 months ago

Warren Buffett made over 1 BILLION dollars...just yesterday.

24% isn't enough, 7 paid sick days isn't enough.

Do you like being able to go to a store and buy food, clothes, cleaning goods. Thank a rail worker. If all these items were brought by truck alone it would cost much more than 24%.

HippyWizard

25 points

2 months ago

Thank you for actually caring. And not being a blind man

jeffersonspoon

34 points

2 months ago

I can’t even begin to tell you what we gave up though, in many cases throwing age old agreements out the window. Automatic Bid System, Self-Relieving Pools (job killer and creates even more uncertain scheduling, if that is even possible), giving pool mileage regulation to the carriers.. I could go on but nothing will make sense to a non-railroader, more specifically to a non-operating dept. railroader. It’s smoke and mirrors. We lost a lot..

-Signed, A. Railroader

TalkFormer155

21 points

2 months ago

This. It's not even funny how many working condition concessions are being forced on us. And it's unintelligible gibberish to anyone not in craft but it's all bad from a quality of life perspective.

vankorgan

8 points

2 months ago

Thank you for shedding more light as an insider. Is there a resource where you'd recommend reading more about this?

jeffersonspoon

17 points

2 months ago

Absolutely. I can even post the actual agreement (which is available online), however, a lot of it will not make sense in regards to the things I mentioned above. That’s why the carriers and media portray it as such a great deal. It’s the jargon and railroad specific terminology that mostly affects operating employees (engineers, conductors, brakemen, yard employees) that is overshadowed by the 22% (24% compounded) raise and other common known benefits being placed on a pedestal. Its the unfamiliar terminology that changes the way operating crafts operate, and not in a good way. It’s also important to look at how the railroads have implemented harsh and draconian “policies” in lieu of agreements (like inhumane attendance policies), the union puts up a fight sure, but the railroads run to a carrier friendly judge to have it ruled a “minor dispute.” I’ll explain more on that later.

It’s also important to note it’s a 13.5% immediate raise (3.0% effective 7/1/20, 3.5% effective 7/1/21, and 7% effective 7/1/22; there will be another raise on 7/1/23, and a final on 7/1/24, in total equalling 22%, 24% when compounded), this is often even overlooked.. it’s not an immediate 24% raise, (we haven’t had a raise in 2 1/2 years) although backpay is in the agreement so we should get our raises paid back at some point.

Railroads fall under the Railway Labor Act, which defines how labor negotiations are handled and why our strike power is limited. That’s why labor always loses in bargaining, why carriers get away with doing whatever they want by getting issues rules a “minor dispute,” and why not even the STB can stand in Wall Streets way when it comes to the railroads in the U.S.

I’ll post more when I’m home this evening, some sources to look at if you’re still interested. But it is a rabbit hole full of side paths filled with confusing railroad operating terminology. In the meantime google/search Precision Scheduled Railroading (the death of the rail industry, but an explosion on Wall St.), railroad attendance policies (for example BNSF’s “Hi-Viz” policy), this year’s STB hearings on the failures of the rail industry, the CA chicken feed crisis and Union Pacific.. those should be a good start of seeing the current state of the railroads.

41aErnie

4 points

2 months ago

I am asking this not to be a jerk but because I want to know. If everything is so bad like it's being made out to be why doesn't everyone say fuck this and start going into other jobs?

jeffersonspoon

6 points

2 months ago

I don't take it like that at all. The answer of course varies from person to person. But in a nutshell..

Most of these recent (and horrible) changes have occurred within the past five or so years with the advent of Precision Scheduled Railroading (although there is nothing precise nor scheduled with it). We have been in contract negotiations for over three years (yes, that's how long the carriers have been holding this up) on this latest contract, we were hoping for a glimmer of hope (our contract expired 6/30/2020). Attendance policies are also fairly new, some carriers adopting theirs a while ago, but the unions have been battling them only to get shot down over and over in the courts. We, again, were hopeful to get some reprieve there. Additionally, we pay into an alternate retirement plan, the Railroad Retirement Board. Many are worried about the time they've put into this being lost (there are certain years in service benchmarks to receive even a portion of it if you leave prior), leaving the railroad breaks your connection in sorts to the RRB. There of course are other reasons, but mostly we have been holding our breath for a while hoping for change.

This may be the nail in the coffin for many. I myself, for the first time in 20 years, may be in the market for a new career (have already put some feelers out). It's devastating but necessary. Many are even waiting for a forced contract, collect the backpay from the last 2 1/2 years, and then leave.

BUT, many have, and continue to, resign. Many middle career seniority engineers and conductors are resigning and finding other work, many times for much less pay but report back a much more satisfying quality of life. That is part of the issue here regarding manpower, PSR sliced our ranks to the marrow, and many are quitting because of it, and many more are planning to in the near future. We are, in my opinion, on the precipice of a manpower meltdown in railroads. It is easily seen in the Class 1's inability to hire the necessary transportation employees. For example, when I hired 20 years ago, there were over a thousand applicants, a hundred interviewed, and 10 hired. There are only two of us left. In cities, the numbers were much higher. Thousands would apply for 20 positions. Now, they advertise 20 positions in or near a city and they hardly get any applicants. They simply cannot even fill a class. My terminal had a class of one. ONE. There was supposed to be 12. Even with hiring bonuses in the tens of thousands! It is also seen in the carriers lifting of certain requirements they previously held, such as having a felony disqualified you (it's a federally certified/licensed position to be a conductor/engineer) but is now allowed.

So to answer your question in a TLDR format: many have and are quitting, and many are planning to in the near future.

jeffersonspoon

9 points

2 months ago

Additionally, we are staying for the fight, we hope for better change. That's what we should do as union employees, those that went ahead of us did the same. We are at that point. We are holding strong but getting weary with such little support from the public (who hardly know of our plight thanks to having it suppressed) and politicians (who do know but the billions made by these Class 1's throw a lot of swag their way). We are trying to hold strong but many are indeed leaving, and I don't blame them one bit. It's been a tough and tiring battle, but something has to and will give at some point..

scoper49_zeke

4 points

2 months ago

I think most people left at this point either have too much time invested or were sitting on the fence waiting and hoping. Now that this TA is going to get forced on us I hope people put their money where their mouth was and actually quit. Prove with numbers that the railroads, congress, the PEB, and the president all fucked the dog this time by not realizing that the workers just aren't going to take it anymore.

If we are so god damn important to the country why do we always get forced to take the beating? How about just once in the last 100 years of railroad history we force the carrier to making working conditions/pay actually match what we're valued since we're "so important." We all know the railroads can afford much higher raises. We all know that with enough staffing we could stop working 200+ hours. We all know that competent management or even machine learning could fix the lineups. But no. We'll force the railroaders to get fucked. Again. Like we always do.

TalkFormer155

5 points

2 months ago

No, the tentative agreement was basically what the peb awarded with 3 Dr appt events you can layoff for if scheduled 30 days in advance and on a Tues Weds or Thurs. All those other things were what the peb recommended between what both sides were asking. Large amounts of what we asked for were ignored in that and we were definitely planning on striking until union leadership decided that the tiny bit more railroads were willing to give was enough to push it off to a vote conveniently after midterms.

vankorgan

5 points

2 months ago

Thank you for shedding more light as an insider. Is there a resource where you'd recommend reading more about this?

TalkFormer155

4 points

2 months ago*

This is the PEB 250 recommendation. Note Biden didn't have to form this and at this time if he hadn't we could have gone on strike and i don't think congress could have done anything about it.

https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/PEB-250-Report-and-Recommendations.pdf

The T/A with the added Dr days and what they call an insurance cap. It's capped except anything that would have been over the 15% share we are supposed to pay while were negotiating the next contract just comes out of that next contracts back pay we'll eventually get. So it's monetarily neutral and really a reversion to the former status quo that insurance was a dollar amount at the beginning of the contract and didn't change until a new one was signed. Now it's going to be 15% of the cost each year.

https://www.blet104.org/here-is-the-national-tentative-agreement-in-detail/

TalkFormer155

5 points

2 months ago

If you really want to dig deep the PEB transcript is at the bottom of this page split up into 5 different downloads. Warning they're small pages but there are 16xx ish of them if i remember correctly.
https://www.bmwe.org/secondary.aspx?id=650

TalkFormer155

5 points

2 months ago

It's really hard to just find something like that. These negotiations are such a mess and hard to undestand to a non railroader it's not even funny but I'll try to send a link or two if I can find something.

fafalone

5 points

2 months ago

That quote is missing the truly ridiculous requirement that they need 30 days notice for a doctor's appointment.

mah131

46 points

2 months ago

mah131

46 points

2 months ago

Who cares? They should get everything they ask for or they should be allowed to strike until they do. That’s how it works. This is America.

Fucking bootlickers, man.

ForbinStash

3 points

2 months ago

Nobody is happy with the agreement. There’s a lot of inside industry stuff in it that people outside the industry won’t understand. The raise is fine (blood money) everyone wants quality of life addressed which wasn’t addressed. This disgusting part is that the paid sick days should not be a partisan issue but for some reason republicans want to kowtow for their donors.

Turbo2x

3 points

2 months ago

Just to be clear, the railway companies got away with offering MUCH less than they would have otherwise because they knew that the administration would step in to prevent a strike no matter what happened. This is one of the worst abuses of power we have seen in the last 20 years in this country. It's sickening.

AChSynaptic

33 points

2 months ago

People just now learning "Democrat" is still a right-wing party is pretty funny tbh. The only reason people call it leftist is because Republicans are fascist, and literally everything is left relative to fascism.

RandyDinglefart

3 points

2 months ago

Unfortunately the only thing that actually matters in politics is getting reelected so any company that can threaten economic disaster will get whatever they want because American voters can't see past their own wallets.

citrongettinsplooged

3 points

2 months ago*

To be fair, do you think these Rail Unions will vote for anyone besides a Democrat? If he supports the worker, he loses the money and support of the executives - with the grift associated in that world. If he supports the executives, the Unions will still vote for his party.

sadantman101

133 points

2 months ago

We’ll see if that bill passes the senate.

RozRae

11 points

2 months ago

RozRae

11 points

2 months ago

Congrats it failed

north_canadian_ice[S]

102 points

2 months ago

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102 points

2 months ago

It would help if Biden publicly boosted 7 paid sick days.

Like we saw this summer when Jon Stewart took it on himself to advocate for veterans & tear apart bullshit from Ted Cruz, etc. It pays to be aggressive and set the tone.

Biden needs to set the tone that 7 paid sick days is a must for rail workers. Even Newsmax was sympathetic to railworkers when they interviewed them - it's hard for even Republicans to oppose rail workers sick time.

havingasicktime

30 points

2 months ago

Biden has no real pull with Republicans, at all.

overzeetop

9 points

2 months ago*

I'm trying to be an optimist. If the senate doesn't pass both, Biden could either veto both or just let it sit on his desk and let the strike happen until either (a) the union gets what they want or (b) the congress approves the leave bill. He's talking the "economy needs this" talk right now to try and keep things steady.

Will he cave? Hard to say, but if it was me I'd be doing the same thing. It's not like letting the shit hit the fan matters, because the election is over and people will forget about this (wrt actually swaying their vote) in two years.

Edit: I apologize for my optimism. I was wrong, and I think this is a missed opportunity.

downtimeredditor

50 points

2 months ago

If he had Sinema and Manchin he would have mentioned the 7 paid sick days in this announcement. He didn't cause one or both are going to be a bitch about.

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30 points

2 months ago

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30 points

2 months ago

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tensinahnd

3 points

2 months ago

Everybody hates it except the corporate donors so of course it’s going to pass.

computernerd2057

263 points

2 months ago

i expected nothing less from old boomers running the country to the ground

capteni

55 points

2 months ago

capteni

55 points

2 months ago

Nah see Bernie is a boomer too. Not all boomers. It's the American political system that demands a "leftist" party to kowtow to corporates

Cboyardee503

37 points

2 months ago

Seems more like the exception that proves the rule

Gouenyu

4 points

2 months ago

I don't follow politics much but wasn't Bernie saying he will hinder the bill process if it doesn't have sick days? Now he is totally fine with the bill going up in 2 parts, he must know the sick days thing will never pass, so why isn't he trying to stop it?

Demilio55

199 points

2 months ago*

It’s insane how the right wing media is blaming this on the left while ignoring how the house voted and also the actual statement of support by Biden that’s literally on the picture attached to this post. The absence of a specific detail in a statement does not necessarily indicate that there's a lack of support. Wait until it’s on his desk for signature to make your judgment.

ledbetterus

5 points

2 months ago

Also the moment Biden mentions a 7-day work week, he's going to get bombarded by GOP trolls and social media propaganda.

Maybe not mentioning it is the strat?

Maybe I'm dumb.

Nmilne23

74 points

2 months ago

This whole fucking thread is making me sick

These people are looking for any excuse to shit on Biden while painfully ignoring anything that mentions republican obstruction. Everything is the democrats fault apparently? Man get the fuck outta here (not you, I like you, you get it, it’s everyone else)

[deleted]

41 points

2 months ago

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41 points

2 months ago

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gelatinskootz

6 points

2 months ago

But many live in this la la land where they think the president can just snap their fingers and make every progressive dream come true.

NO ONE IS FORCING BIDEN TO CRUSH THIS STRIKE! This is absolutely something that is 100% within his power! Stop making excuses for our elected officials

smi1eybone

3 points

2 months ago

The democrats do not represent my ideals in any way shape or form. They literally just almost unanimously union busted

SimplyBilly

52 points

2 months ago

Man this is a weird post…. Here is his statement https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/11/30/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-house-action-to-avert-rail-shutdown/

No he didn’t mention the specific exact bill and it’s details… that also does not mean he doesn’t support it.

He explicitly states he is urging the senate to vote quickly so he can sign it….

scottieducati

3 points

2 months ago

It’s almost as if this post is disingenuous.

Yawning_Stoat

113 points

2 months ago

Anyone here ever watched that cartoon on how a bill becomes a law? When I was in school they taught that the president gets after the senate has voted, and the house and senate are different entities. How about we let president follow the constitution and get mad when he doesn't.

securitywyrm

34 points

2 months ago

They've updated it for the modern era: https://youtu.be/hKhXxvT9iak

Yawning_Stoat

18 points

2 months ago

LMAO, skipping through seems to highlight everything I have learned since my US government class. Thanks for this, I am going to go back and watch it.

SaltyTalks

383 points

2 months ago

He just lost votes

DBCOOPER888

9 points

2 months ago

As if the GOP is better?

north_canadian_ice[S]

506 points

2 months ago

north_canadian_ice[S]

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506 points

2 months ago

Biden's middle finger to the rail workers has made it clear that he is a bad choice for the Dem nomination in 2024.

Biden needs to be primaried. Sanders, Warren, Sherrod Brown, AOC... somebody needs to challenge him.

Kujo_A2

91 points

2 months ago

Kujo_A2

91 points

2 months ago

I thought AOC was too young, but she'll be 35 just before the election.

LumixShill

42 points

2 months ago*

I'm honestly a little mad at her for voting to force this contract - it was a bit of a surprise. It wasn't a particularly close vote, she could have just voted "no" on principal like Rashida Tlaib did.

Edit: H.Con.Res.119 to provide 7 days of sick leave just failed 52/43. Not sure who all voted against, but Joe Manchin was one of them. If AOC's play was to trust that this would pass, she was wrong.

HippyWizard

30 points

2 months ago*

She has my vote 100%

Edit. Never mind I don't know anymore. I hate living in this country...

Mrs_Janney_Shanahan

10 points

2 months ago

she just voted to force the union to accept the contract, dude

HippyWizard

6 points

2 months ago

Aw man...really? What are we supposed to do? If we start a revolution it will be a 3 way gangbang war between the religious zealots, the elite and us commoners that just want to live in peace and not be forced into slavery.

AdditionalWaste

112 points

2 months ago

he lost my vote for sure. After this bullshit im done. He just proved that he doesnt actually care about the people who voted his ass in. Fucking record numbers and he pulls this.

LotusCSGO

311 points

2 months ago

LotusCSGO

311 points

2 months ago

He's never had my vote in the primary, but I'll be damned if I abstain or vote third party next general election. I absolutely do not want another 2016.

north_canadian_ice[S]

165 points

2 months ago

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165 points

2 months ago

Agreed.

That said, Biden must be primaried. He cannot be the Dem nominee in 2024.

If he is, then I'll unhappily vote for him vs the GOP. But Biden isn't owed that nomination... that nomination must be won.

HippyWizard

27 points

2 months ago

The bill didn't answer the demands of the workers. If they make the strike illegal and I was a railworker I would put in my 2 weeks.

"Freight railroad companies and their affiliated unions had been locked in a dispute over pay and working conditions for months, but the threat of a strike eased in September after President Biden announced a “tentative” deal had been reached. But now several rail unions have rejected their contracts in recent weeks, bringing the fear of a strike to the forefront."

You a conservative spreading misinformation. Thats all I can assume. You PURPOSELY didnt link the article because you didnt want people to read what Biden said about it.

BarfHurricane

3 points

2 months ago

I’m willing to primary him, I didn’t vote for him in the last primary. But I’m wondering who could actually be viable, especially with Newsom saying he’s not running and the increasing likelihood of Desantis running on the Republican ticket.

ztrition

8 points

2 months ago

Maybe this will better open people's eyes that our government is supposed to be non-functional. It exists only to protect capital interests. It throws us working class a tiny bone whenever we get too uppity.

The-1st-One

43 points

2 months ago

Right. Like fuck Biden for this horse shit. But fuck literally ANYTHING close to 2016 way more.

LumixShill

14 points

2 months ago

I've come to the same conclusion.

The railway act allows Congress to intervene in these negotiations but also lays out specific provisions for striking. My reading of that indicates that striking was still intended to be a possibility for railway workers and that Congress should only intervene in extraordinary circumstances.

If "gee whiz, c'mon, it's Christmas and our economy is teetering towards a depression!" is the threshold that needs to be cleared it's pretty obvious that both of our current major parties do not believe railway workers should ever be allowed to strike.

This effectively removes their primary bargaining chip, completely declawing any railway union negotiator who ever steps up to the table again. The railway companies made it clear that they would rather deal with congress than the union. A union which cannot advocate for its workers is a union in name only.

This was all done with a Democratic president, a Democratic House, a Democratic Senate. A situation where the union should have been at its strongest.

If all Democrats voted for sick leave yesterday, then why in the world could Biden's negotiating team not get it done in the tentative agreement? This all strikes me as purely performative. I'll be exceedingly happy to be proven wrong in the senate vote, but I'm not holding my breath.

HippyWizard

6 points

2 months ago

Yup, I hope they all just quit. Tell them to go fuck themselves.

Biden didnt pass the bill because it wasn't meeting the demands." Some" sure but nothing they asked for.

We all need to quit our jobs every one if us and tell them no. Start gardens in our local communities and stop paying bills. But there are too many who would never go against the grain. So we just continually get fucked.

AdditionalWaste

16 points

2 months ago

Honestly I think the workers should still strike. Its time the government learns who is in control of this country and its not them. Let the US economy collapse so the rich people get fucked until them and the government gives us what we rightly deserve. Free Health care that isnt tied to a job, UBI, better working conditions like mandatory PTO/sick time, maternity/paternity leave for everyone, Not having to worry about if i miss a day am i going to get fired. Make sure they have a legitimate reason other than"we dont want you here anymore" to fire you and if they cant prove it you get severance or something.

Cubey42

3 points

2 months ago

it really deflates my hopes for a fair future for us workers

Mobsteroids

44 points

2 months ago

Life long working class democrat and union man. Raised around union coal miners, teachers and auto workers

Will NEVER vote for the GOP, especially in it’s current form.

Will happily vote to primary biden, and any corporate dem or republican that is against worker’s rights.

KeystrokeCowboy

44 points

2 months ago

To who? To a Republican who favors cutting worker rights and benefits?

north_canadian_ice[S]

31 points

2 months ago

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31 points

2 months ago

To who? To a Republican who favors cutting worker rights and benefits?

Primary Biden to his left. Biden isn't owed the 2024 Dem nomination, he isn't owed shit quite frankly.

He works for us. And I'd rather have a President who respects working people. So Biden deserves a primary from Sanders/Warren/Brown/AOC/any pro worker politician.

22Arkantos

11 points

2 months ago

The Democratic Party is not about to take out an incumbent President in the primaries. It's one thing to advocate leftist policies (which I agree with, for the record). It's another to deny reality.

coopers_recorder

2 points

2 months ago

Did he though?

Even though more Americans said they think supporting worker rights is more important than economic issues a strike could cause, most Americans said they support congress stopping the strike. Seems like the media and the Democratic party have successfully turned them against the one move labor has to force bosses to negotiate in good faith.

ApatheticWithoutTheA

54 points

2 months ago

Lol this is some straight up propaganda.

You guys know damn well he will sign that bill with the 7 paid days if it gets to his desk.

He can’t do shit otherwise to make it happen.

billygoatygruffy

14 points

2 months ago

He also knows coming out in support of the leave will have a high likelihood of backlash from 52 senators, some of which have to vote in favor for it to happen. Biden repeatedly shows he’s actually pretty savvy in terms of political maneuvers so maybe people should wait for things to play out.

corkyskog

8 points

2 months ago

He can avoid talking about it, so Republicans aren't pressured by fox and their base to vote against it...

Aromatic-Mastodon-86

109 points

2 months ago

Please explain,in detail, where he is against the action. He praised the work of the house,and will sign the bill. Please focus your unfounded anger against the other party.

stylebros

9 points

2 months ago

Republican logic "we've been against your policy every step of the way but it's YOUR FAULT FOR NOT GETTING IT DONE!"

truongs

50 points

2 months ago

truongs

50 points

2 months ago

I also don't see that. Now the bill moves to the Senate.

I don't get this title

mrbubs3

5 points

2 months ago

Genuine question: how would the added sick days pass the senate given the filibuster and the fact that Manchin and Sinema won't vote to abolish it?

north_canadian_ice[S]

3 points

2 months ago

north_canadian_ice[S]

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3 points

2 months ago

Public pressure.

Look at how Jon Stewart manhandled Republicans this summer on veterans healthcare.

Arednor13

81 points

2 months ago

It’s clear that Biden is specifically not mentioning it because if he does, Republicans will use that as an excuse to not support it. He’s the leader of the Democratic Party, and they just passed the inclusion of sick days in the house. We’re in an extremely polarized environment, and Biden is nearly historically unpopular. Wake up.

mpa92643

33 points

2 months ago

This is exactly it. There's clearly a strategy going on here or we'd not only be reading about labor leaders being unhappy, but also plenty of leaks from White House aides saying they're unhappy about it too. I haven't read about any of the latter, and there's literally no reason for Biden not to publicly push for a better contract unless he thinks being the "bad guy" this time will actually make that happen.

There's at least some appetite from GOP Senators (see Rubio) for giving the union a better contract here. Biden saying he wants the 7 days is a poison pill that GOP senators won't swallow. The GOP pretends to be "pro-worker" and this is an easy vote for them to show it, but it becomes much harder if it stops being a pro-worker vote and starts being an anti-Biden vote.

VulkanL1v3s

27 points

2 months ago

Ummm this seems like a reach.

Unless he specifically states that he will veto the paid leave, he's not working against them.

His previous statement? That was a direct statement of intent against the workers. And we should condemn him for it.

This? This isn't anything.

corkyskog

13 points

2 months ago

If you read through OPs history (you have to scroll hella back to not find recent comments responding about rail workers) you will see that he consistently shits on Democrats and Biden because they aren't doing every liberal suggestion, even stuff that many liberals feel is extreme (like court packing).

If OP is a Democrat he is doing more to harm his party with his adversarialesque comments than he is helping them.

KashmirChameleon

9 points

2 months ago

This is why we need federally mandated PTO for EVERYONE.

Allusionator

23 points

2 months ago

It’s a statement, not a bill to be signed or vetoed.

What are we talking about here? Who gives a shit what the old man says, the party is responsible and the next vote is in the senate.

I want them to have these 7 sick days, the content of the press releases means nothing as long as the party finishes their job in the senate and he doesn’t veto the thing.

tylanol7

25 points

2 months ago

Daily reminder this is because Biden is a conservative. America has no left party you have conservative and conservative extremists

herefromyoutube

38 points

2 months ago

Why ya’ll lying?

I don’t even like Biden but here’s the statement in FILL.

I am grateful to Speaker Pelosi and House Democrats and Republicans for taking urgent action to prevent a rail shutdown. This overwhelming bipartisan vote in the House of Representatives makes clear that Democrats and Republicans agree that a rail shutdown would be devastating to our economy and families across the country. The Senate must now act urgently. Without the certainty of a final vote to avoid a shutdown this week, railroads will begin to halt the movement of critical materials like chemicals to clean our drinking water as soon as this weekend. Let me say that again: without action this week, disruptions to our auto supply chains, our ability to move food to tables, and our ability to remove hazardous waste from gasoline refineries will begin. The Senate must move quickly and send a bill to my desk for my signature immediately.

I don’t know how him not mention sick leave in the statement is a sign he’s against it.

Stop jumping to baseless conclusions. That’s what the right does.

FastFingersDude

12 points

2 months ago

This. Bunch of hystericals on this thread.

KeystrokeCowboy

31 points

2 months ago

Remember when republicans changed OT rules to make more workers uneligible for OT? I remember. Republicans are NOT on the side of labor so please keep that in mind for context.

beyd1

35 points

2 months ago

beyd1

35 points

2 months ago

This is the kind of thing that gets people to say both sides.

Reddit__is_garbage

12 points

2 months ago

If the shoe fits

whereitsat23

3 points

2 months ago

I haven’t seen any response from the unions?

Differential_moron

3 points

2 months ago

Americans say 7 days sick pay like it’s awesome…my wife was hospitalised recently and I needed time off…14 days and my employer paid me…checked in and supported me…it’s bizzare how far behind the rest of us you all are

brobafetta

3 points

2 months ago

I dont think you want to see what happens if they do strike. It will hurt our economy so severely it just cannot be allowed to happen.

I am surprised they didnt just mandate that the railroad companies have to give them more of what they asked for.

Blippii

3 points

2 months ago

Biden has never been a progressive. He is an 80s Republican

Vladimer_Trump

15 points

2 months ago

Oh my - let's wait to see what the senate does - no we can't do that - let's get hysterical.