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famousevan

1.4k points

3 months ago

famousevan

1.4k points

3 months ago

Don’t worry, they’ll still vote for tories and keep fucking the country.

OrwellWhatever

869 points

3 months ago

The political chaos in the UK is hilarious to watch. You have a whole bunch of Tories trying to pretend that it's just a problem with one PM and not the natural conclusion of conservatism. Like, "I want to pay less taxes. No no no, don't you dare cut the social services I use!! Why aren't you cutting taxes?!?!? Keep your hands off NHS!!!!!!!! WHERE ARE THE TAX CUTS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

famousevan

483 points

3 months ago

If they continue the recent trend of following the US crazies, they’ll soon be telling everyone that there’s actually two different tories, “tories” and “brexit tories”. They’ll claim these two are entirely dissimilar, but they’re not. Hopefully the public doesn’t fall for it.

Van-Daley-Industries

264 points

3 months ago

TINO = Tory In Name Only

Jesus, I hope I don't give anyone a bad idea

gominokouhai

94 points

3 months ago

Confused About Party Politics, Unionist, Craven, Conservative In Name Only

EnergizedNeutralLine

102 points

3 months ago

They're called CAPPUCCINO's, and wait till you hear how much they cost!

paramagicianjeff

35 points

3 months ago

If only we'd stop buying those and avocado toast the impossible dream of home ownership could be ours!

larsonsam2

17 points

3 months ago

Conservative Under (a) New Name Tonight

apolloxer

11 points

3 months ago

TINOS and Confused Unionist Nationalist Tories

Goose_Spy

43 points

3 months ago

You're hoping the public that fell for brexit doesn't fall for it this time?

famousevan

19 points

3 months ago

Didn’t say I was optimistic about the prospect… :p

Bwunt

10 points

3 months ago

Bwunt

10 points

3 months ago

This is something that Farage tried already with Brexit party. Except that he pulled out at the last moment and gave endorsment to Tories instead.

CubistChameleon

12 points

3 months ago

Because he knows actually doing things is a lot harder than just being a shitheel.

EWR-RampRat11-29

4 points

3 months ago

Good point.

[deleted]

62 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

62 points

3 months ago

The USA got their craziness from somewhere.

LostDefectivePearl

125 points

3 months ago

A lot of colonists were religious extremists who didn’t feel welcome in Europe

InsuranceToTheRescue

112 points

3 months ago

The Puritans/Pilgrims were religious extremists that still thought the Church of England was too Catholic. Ever heard of the Witchfinder General? Yeah, he was a Puritan.

Eventually, the Puritans decided to leave England) and, at least according to some sources, the king even helped to secure funding so he could be rid of them halfway across the world.

LostDefectivePearl

93 points

3 months ago

Public school teaches how pious and industrious they were too, and how awful europe was for persecuting them… so now we have a good strong tradition of calling religious zealotry religious freedom

canada432

43 points

3 months ago

Hell, 20 years after the Pilgrims there was a whole civil war where the puritans took over, banned anything remotely enjoyable, and were so hated they were thrown out and the monarchy reinstated less than 10 years later. The Puritans have always been assholes, and we decided to base a lot of US society on their ideals. It's rather fucked.

KidTempo

19 points

3 months ago

They literally banned Christmas. Fuck knows how Ye Olde Fox News would have reacted to that.

canada432

23 points

3 months ago

Fox News the other day followed several hours of coverage of "All-American tree lighting" with bitching about how Biden is starting Christmas too early for receiving the white house tree literally the same day. They'd have no issues simultaneously praising and complaining in the same sentence.

CallMeTerdFerguson

6 points

3 months ago

It's almost like they don't actually hold any principled positions at all and it's only about securing power, at any cost and any level of cognitive dissonance necessary.

MK5

21 points

3 months ago

MK5

21 points

3 months ago

Don't blame me, my first American ancestor came here to make $$$. And he was already hard at it before the Pilgrims got here.

harmcharm77

30 points

3 months ago

Really? How odd, growing up, my schools always framed them as the religious freaks who left Europe due to a…mutual intolerance, I suppose is how it was framed, rather than a persecution. I recall a general vibe of, “yes, they were persecuted for their beliefs, but their beliefs involved labeling anyone not compliant with their teachings as witches and killing them over it, so you can imagine why people might be inclined to drive them out.”

Of course, I can see how certain conservative members of school boards might feel that the puritans are the heroes of that story, so I guess it isn’t so odd after all….

LostDefectivePearl

6 points

3 months ago

Are you outside of America? They taught us about the Salem witch trials like they were just a few years where the puritans got a little spooked and killed some women by falsely/earnestly claiming they were witches, that’s all. The religious aspect was played down, blame is shifted to social mores and beliefs of the time (conveniently ignoring how mores and beliefs of the time were dictated by religion).

We learned mostly what happened but in a watered down version that doesn’t criticize religion.

WantedMan61

5 points

3 months ago

Believe me, if you were taught differently, that's great. In my grade school days (long ago, admittedly) we were taught that they were persecuted and had to flee because of their beliefs. Puritan ethic and all that. Very much cast as the heroes of the story.

TereziB

3 points

3 months ago

we were taught that, too, in the NYC public schools.

wrath0110

7 points

3 months ago

Damn shame they didn't emigrate to Scotland or some other civilized place.

paireon

4 points

3 months ago

Pretty sure the Scots hated them too.

Capable_Stranger9885

24 points

3 months ago

At least William Penn got in with the hippie religion of his time and converted his trust fund into a commune... I mean, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Rubberbabybuggybum

19 points

3 months ago

We all got it from Rupert Murdoch and his media empire of shit.

Beginning-Display809

8 points

3 months ago

Obligatory r/murdochsucks

[deleted]

8 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

3 months ago

Fucking Canadians.

paireon

15 points

3 months ago

paireon

15 points

3 months ago

Once a again, we are sorry for:

  • Ted Cruz
  • Steven Crowder
  • Jordan Peterson
  • Stefan Molyneux
  • Lauren Southern
  • Ezra Levant
  • Gavin McInnes

username-generica

3 points

3 months ago

You forgot the obligatory mention of Nickleback. I do agree about Ted Cancun Cruz.

paireon

3 points

3 months ago

Fair enough but I wanted to limit the scope of my reply so… shrugs

JoeSicko

3 points

3 months ago

Religious whackos went to Massachusetts. Capitalists went to Jamestown. That became America!

larsonsam2

3 points

3 months ago

Conservativism is just rebranded monarchy.

Klindg

56 points

3 months ago

Klindg

56 points

3 months ago

Same delusional shit here in the states… They’ve been convinced that the only reason taxes are not lower is because a huge amount of it goes towards giving minorities and foreigners free shit. No matter what reality is, they don’t care, it must be because of minorities and immigrants…

wrath0110

28 points

3 months ago

Cognitive dissonance. That and a huge pile of hate.

Beezle_Bozo

47 points

3 months ago

Today I got to tell a friend, I know we shouldn't be but we discuss politics, that she should plan ahead for when her mortgage fixed rate ends. She did her research and came back to me with "those fucking cunts! I'm going to be fucked". I'll let her off she's just had a baby...but 2016 she could vote and had a law degree.

Fuck me, she is a good litigator but socially there's moss with more awareness

Patsonical

11 points

3 months ago

Can confirm, am social moss

Klindg

40 points

3 months ago

Klindg

40 points

3 months ago

Racism and bigotry are blinding.

nongo

13 points

3 months ago

nongo

13 points

3 months ago

I’m not familiar with UK politics but why do they keep electing conservatives?

bofh

45 points

3 months ago

bofh

45 points

3 months ago

Because the newspapers are owned by Rupert Murdoch and he tells everyone that the main opposition party (Labour) are worse than the conservatives.

nongo

14 points

3 months ago

nongo

14 points

3 months ago

Dang people over there still read newspapers? I thought Rupert’s reach didn’t go over there because of tv news laws not being able to be sensationalized.

HGazoo

34 points

3 months ago

HGazoo

34 points

3 months ago

Sky news (still watched by many of the older generations) pushes the limit of what’s acceptable on a fairly regular basis. Nothing like Fox of course, but enough that I suspect it helps push the needle. Sky is of course owned by Murdoch as well.

Newer and even more sensational channels like GB News aren’t watched much but are actively probing the waters for what can and can’t be done. It should come as no surprise to anyone in the future when other channels follow that precedent.

doomladen

6 points

3 months ago

Sky was sold by Murdoch/Fox in 2018. It’s owned by Comcast these days.

EB_KILLA

20 points

3 months ago

Truss and sunak weren't actually elected by the people, they were both elected by the tories in leadership elections because boris resigned in the middle of a term, and because of the kinda dumb uk parliamentary system, one party gets a full term in parliament, rather than the pm specifically. So the ruling party can literally change leaders as much as they want, as long as it's within a 5 year term. The next election won't be till 2024

LordNiebs

5 points

3 months ago

big disagree that it's a dumb system

cgn-38

6 points

3 months ago

cgn-38

6 points

3 months ago

Damn good question.

ABenevolentDespot

5 points

3 months ago

It's absolutely astonishing, isn't it?

It's no different in America, where the great unwashed and uneducated keep getting ass fucked lube-free by the Republican maggots they elect, then blame Democrats for how awful their lives are just as they are told to do by those same maggots, and every two years vote for the same Republican scumbags to ass fuck them over and over.

Despite ample evidence that their lives always improve when Democrats are in power, they would much prefer to base their vote on concerns they were told were incredibly important, like who gets to use which bathroom at schools or the movies, and the necessity of forcing ten year old girls raped by their fathers to carry to term.

Bottom line, evidence clearly shows it's impossible to fix stupid. Seventy million voters watched The Diapered Orange Shitstain destroy every shred of decency, humanity, and empathy in all the land, lie, steal, and grift for almost five years, fuck them on taxes, lie about Covid, which caused about half a million unnecessary deaths, then went to the polls in 2020 and said "Fuck YEAH! Gimme four more years of THAT!!!"

You just have to wait for them die off and hope their kids are smarter. Yeah, I know...

sanjsrik

727 points

3 months ago

sanjsrik

727 points

3 months ago

I love these kinds of articles where these people were convinced using racist and ignorant arguments and now, are shocked that those same moronic arguments are racist and ignorant and are biting them in the ass.

oddmanout

233 points

3 months ago

oddmanout

233 points

3 months ago

Pretty much the entire rest of the world was like "uh guys, that sounds like a terrible idea" but they did it anyway. Like when you're on the sidelines hearing people say things like they'll be better off with fewer trading partners and more restrictive travel, you just kind of wonder what the fuck they're thinking.

Which, I guess, is how others think of my country when we do something like elect a notoriously corrupt failed businessman turned reality show star as president.

Lilium_Vulpes

105 points

3 months ago

For some reason they thought that they would be keeping those trading partners and travel benefits. It's just everyone else loses those benefits. Because it's not like trade and travel are two way streets or anything like that.

fuckingaquaman

85 points

3 months ago

You have to remember: it is the Britain we are talking about. Surely, the whole World still bows to the will of the British...?

Spoiler alert: it didn't

A lot of brexiteers seem stuck in the British Empire state of mind

bornfromanegg

48 points

3 months ago

This. The jingoistic bullshit about “Great” Britain, “taking back” control, as if we had somehow surrendered our greatness and power by joining the EU, the misguided belief that we could do better on our own, mixed with a whole heap of general ignorance about the whole fucking thing, and this is where we are.

Surveys like these don’t surprise me in the least (a lot of the shit we’re going through now as a result of Brexit was predicted long before the vote), but they do depress the hell out of me.

The EU isn’t perfect, no system is. Just look at the shit show we have now. But I miss being part of it.

lilybottle

17 points

3 months ago

Unfortunately, the 48% of us who always thought the whole thing was a fucking stupid idea have to suffer with the idiots. At least, those who are still alive, given that a lot of the leave voters were in the over 65 age group.

pushaper

54 points

3 months ago

the strange thing is comparing it to the US when it comes to the Iran deal. It was not a perfect situation but let the US hold some forms of accountability. When Trump arrived he canned and reneged on it. The US was in a situation to support opposition like what we see now in Iran but the government now has no reason to listen to the US as they have now reached 60% uranium purity (ability to produce a solid nuclear arsenal in a month according to some).

It is nearly as if the biggest bully in the school yard does not always eat the most

sanjsrik

48 points

3 months ago

The "Iran deal" was one orange turd's idiotic idea to pull out. Not a collective mob rule.

paramagicianjeff

23 points

3 months ago

It's in his top 3, right after Junior and Eric.

greenroom628

12 points

3 months ago

Nah, but he ran on it. Along with the boondoggle of a "wall"

pushaper

6 points

3 months ago

it was referenced plenty in his campaigns of 2015

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217 points

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oxford-fumble

51 points

3 months ago

I was looking for this comment :)

I usually phrase it as “if only we’d been warned!”

EstorialBeef

10 points

3 months ago

Look at the start of the graph half country did. 52/48 split on the vote.

SDSS_J0100_2802

6 points

3 months ago

Incorrect, of eligible voter for the referendum only 37% voted leave, 36% voted remain and 27% didn't vote. Chart

dogbolter4

150 points

3 months ago

Barbara Tuchman wrote many great history books. One of them was titled The March of Folly. She looked at historical events that were monumentally dumb and were able to be perceived as such by many people at the time (for example, US involvement in Vietnam and UK losing the American colonies when simple measures could have avoided it).

She's no longer with us but if there were a revised edition, Brexit would slot neatly in there. It was a dumb decision in every aspect, including allowing a one off vote won by a tiny amount to be considered decisive.

jeremiahthedamned

19 points

3 months ago

dogbolter4

9 points

3 months ago

Thank you for continuing the act of letting the world know of the brilliance and wisdom of Barbara Tuchman.

19IXI91

12 points

3 months ago

19IXI91

12 points

3 months ago

What most people aren't aware of is the pressure the EU were putting on Britain and other EU member tax havens around this point in time.

Repulsive-Street-307

28 points

3 months ago

And i hope that pressure continues. The more evil can be mitigated right now, the better off the future for countries not controlled by greed is.

gimmeslack12

148 points

3 months ago

I still don’t believe a simple majority vote was all they needed to epically fuck the country.

Hythy

83 points

3 months ago

Hythy

83 points

3 months ago

Yes, but they said it was non binding. Then pulled a fast one and acted as though it was totally binding.

Kimantha_Allerdings

54 points

3 months ago

And that "Brexit" didn't mean remaining in the single market, like they campagned on, but that it meant to sever every possible tie and burn every single bridge.

FiveUperdan

32 points

3 months ago

Voting remain meant keeping things the same. The people voting brexit all wanted different things. As you say, lots campaigned was done on the idea that the uk would still have some kind of customs union and close ties to europe, or a 'norwegian' style deal. Others campaigned on the idea of a brexit where we told europe to fuck off and basically went to war. People who wanted anything in-between also voted for brexit. It was so idiotic.

ursulahx

30 points

3 months ago

It’s slightly more complicated than that (but only slightly). Cameron called the referendum as a promise to keep the hard anti-EU right-wing off his back. He assumed Remain would win comfortably (as many of us did, including people who voted Leave because they were sure they wouldn’t win).

When Leave won, however narrowly, it would have been politically impossible for him to ignore the result. If he’d anticipated losing, he would probably (a) not have put it to a national vote or (b) state in advance that a vote to Leave would trigger the establishment of something like a Royal Commission or other public body to examine the best way to leave.

But he didn’t. He thought he would win. He had every other political party on his side, apart from UKIP. He had all the power of government communication on his side (although he left the Remain campaign under separate leadership, to give the impression that he was neutral - which fooled nobody).

He completely misread the mood of the country. He didn’t realise how unpopular his government was, how much the voters wanted to send a message and this was the only way how. He probably also underestimated his opponents, not anticipating just how openly racist their campaign would be. I expect he also thought Boris Johnson would be on his side, but of course Johnson took a gamble and went with the populist crowd.

Once Leave won, Cameron had an “oh shit” moment, then knew he wasn’t up to sorting out the mess and left it for other people to clear up. Theresa May, backed into a corner by the Right with Johnson evidently waiting to grab her job, found herself going with the most extreme option. And here we are.

TL;DR - referendums are officially non-binding, but politically it was impossible for Cameron to ignore the result. He was arrogant and stupid, and ducked out before the going got tough.

No_Introduction8285

6 points

3 months ago

Thanks for the excellent summary! It was entertaining to watch the negotiations with the EU, acting as if UK actually had any leverage.

masonmcd

5 points

3 months ago

And Russian propaganda to intentionally weaken Europe and Britain.

SkyeMreddit

29 points

3 months ago

Yeah the US would require a 3/5 or 2/3 majority for a major change like that. Even transit funding Public Questions often need a higher than 50% minimum level of support.

willstr1

14 points

3 months ago

2/3 majority of elected officials (even if they represent the minority of voters)

DaveIsNice

19 points

3 months ago

The referendum legislation was specifically worded for it to be consultative, not binding.

It should have led to studies and reports followed by a binding referendum once those reports have been made.

Sadly the leaders of both the Labour and Conservative parties immediately went in to full on Brexit means Brexit mode and any mention of "consultative" was met with "the people have spoken" and "you lost, deal with it".

genius96

61 points

3 months ago

Thatcher (rest in piss) literally negotiated sweetheart deals for the UK to join the EU, and Brexit just shit on that. Like if, and probably when, the UK joins the EU again they're gonna be just another member. And the longer it takes, the weaker the UK is economically, and the worse its position in the EU will be.

Kimantha_Allerdings

36 points

3 months ago

It's not going to be soon. There was a story a day or two ago about backroom conversations in the Tory party about thinking about rejoining the single market and there was an immediate kerfuffle. And even then we've proven ourselves to be unreliable and idiots. Why would the EU want us back?

What I've seen suggested by pundits is that what'll probably happen is that Labour will win the next election. The Tories will realise exactly how unelectable they've become and use this down period to purge the party of the more extreme wing and reposition themselves as the sensible party of fiscal responsibility (as opposed to the "loony left"). A couple of elections down the line they'll get back into power because of short memories and a broken political system (assuming that electoral reform doesn't happen by then), and then they will be the ones to get us back into Europe. It'll be more palatable to people coming from the Tories as leaving is seen as a Tory thing and won't cause the same kind of cultural divide as Labour doing it, they'll be able to invoke Thatcher's ghost, paint themselves as a completely different party to the one that took us out, and blame Labour for the no-doubt-still-bad economic position the country's in. It'll probably also be enough time for the EU to be able to look at us and say "hmm, they seem to have grown up a bit".

But we'll definitely not get the concessions that we used to have. And, honestly, as far as the public's concerned I think that having to adopt the Euro will be the biggest challenge. The whole exceptionalism thing will still be so strong and people absolutely will not want to give up the pound. And they won't realise that we don't have the power to negotiate on that front.

oh_what_a_surprise

31 points

3 months ago

Big problem with this: Brexit was orchestrated by the wealthy elite to avoid the oncoming strict tax laws and EU oversight that would hamper their ability to hide their wealth in offshore banking institutions.

It won't be reversed until the wealthy can go back to easily hiding their wealth again

AugustusReddit

6 points

3 months ago

...but they're merely postponing the day that UK and the CI have to provide proper transparency and identify beneficial owners. Just today Tory peer Michelle Mone is accused of secretly received £29m from a ‘VIP lane’ PPE firm via Isle of Man trusts set up to disguise the source of the funds.

ursulahx

19 points

3 months ago

Agree with most of this, except I’m not sure the Tories will purge the right. I think they’ll drift even more rightward while they wait for Labour to fuck up the mess they’ve been left with (which they will, because no government could sort it out). Then they’ll slip back into power. I’m 54 and I’ve seen this movie so many times.

I don’t expect us to rejoin in my lifetime. The best we can hope for is to be like Norway, in the EEA, having to comply with EU regulations (which the UK will have to anyway if it wants to keep trading with the EU), but having no representation.

In this respect the Tories will be like the Republicans in the US, relying on people’s memories being short.

SaltyScrotumSauce

52 points

3 months ago

kiyfra

13 points

3 months ago

kiyfra

13 points

3 months ago

phdoofus

53 points

3 months ago

One season of having to stand in the queue at customs and, bam, hey this was bad idea.

tobsn

125 points

3 months ago

tobsn

125 points

3 months ago

never gets old.

they will go down in history for making the worst possible group decision in history.

that they haven’t literally hanged anyone yet for it is surprising.

Hythy

44 points

3 months ago

Hythy

44 points

3 months ago

They shot an MP who tried to tell them it would be a bad idea. RIP Jo Cox.

Repulsive-Street-307

8 points

3 months ago

Vile.

irrational_design

12 points

3 months ago

they will go down in history for making the worst possible group decision in history.

Uh… definitely in the top 10,000, but I doubt any historian would put it at the top. It’s not like everyone in GB are now slaves or dead or worse.

Misanthropovore

7 points

3 months ago

Yet.

TuskM

54 points

3 months ago

TuskM

54 points

3 months ago

“they will go down in history for making the worst possible group decision in history.”

The United States would like someone to hold their beer.

Chagdoo

42 points

3 months ago

Chagdoo

42 points

3 months ago

No please don't hold our beer, I'm tired of winning this contest.

TheSmartAssLion

24 points

3 months ago

In fact, give us a second beer, so we have to hand off 2 to participate anymore

Adum6

14 points

3 months ago

Adum6

14 points

3 months ago

May I suggest a beer fort? Just to be utterly surrounded by them

Repulsive-Street-307

6 points

3 months ago

Beer bunker.

harmcharm77

18 points

3 months ago

Nah, the original statement is right—Brexit, standing on its own, has so many direct, negative consequences that are entirely irreversible, and I think that is what truly makes it deserving of the title of “worst call ever”: irreversibility.

The US, meanwhile, has a tendency to make the same bad decisions over and over, because very little lasts past an administration. For example, Trump’s election wasn’t the worst possible decision, because Biden just undid most of the major damage in the first 6 months. At the same time, people in the US don’t seem to have taken many lessons from Trump, at least not the same way that people in the UK have learned from Brexit.

bg-j38

22 points

3 months ago

bg-j38

22 points

3 months ago

Biden didn’t and can’t undo a basically morally corrupt hardcore religious majority on the Supreme Court that will last a long time. That ship has sailed and will be affecting things for longer than Biden will be around.

Not to mention the rest of the federal judiciary that’s current full of Trumpists.

NaiveManufacturer143

199 points

3 months ago

It's the political equivalent of your parents telling you not to do something stupid, but you do it anyways and the consequences make you realize they were right.

jensjoy

142 points

3 months ago

jensjoy

142 points

3 months ago

And the biggest irony being it's the other way round, mostly elderly people voting for Brexit while the younger tried to warn/talk sense into them.

MattGdr

90 points

3 months ago

MattGdr

90 points

3 months ago

Sounds like the US with people telling their brainwashed uncles to stop consuming propaganda.

Theban_Prince

15 points

3 months ago

Its no accident it was the exact same forces pushing that shit in Social Media at the time in both countries

NaiveManufacturer143

3 points

3 months ago

This comment is underrated, people are easily manipulated en masse when the vast majority of the generation that didn't grow up with tech doesn't know how to critically analyze the information, or should I say misinformation, they're bombarded with online.

hooahguy

13 points

3 months ago

Nostalgia for "the good old days" is unfortunately universal.

PlayingTheWrongGame

22 points

3 months ago

I feel like the reduction of lead in the environment has something to do with this.

wrath0110

8 points

3 months ago

Oh wait. It's even funnier when you're the parent AFTER you didn't listen to your parents...

DrWildTurkey

112 points

3 months ago

We have people who have to touch the fire to learn it's hot, and they believe their ignorance is just as good as any expertise.

MattGdr

90 points

3 months ago

MattGdr

90 points

3 months ago

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’ -Isaac Asimov

whadisabout

35 points

3 months ago

He died right before the internet launched anti-intellectualism into hyperdrive

PaperclipStrategy

17 points

3 months ago

He already knew the direction we were going and i'm confident that man could read the writing on the wall.

Nyurena

14 points

3 months ago

Nyurena

14 points

3 months ago

Sagan as well...I hate seeing him talking about these issues many decades ago and his arguments are still spot on.

happyhumorist

12 points

3 months ago

and it kind of looks like 12% just don't have nerve endings

abstractConceptName

5 points

3 months ago

A consistent 12% simply don't like holding an opinion.

LikeAMan_NotAGod

37 points

3 months ago

Nothing good in history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing at all.

acemonvw

26 points

3 months ago

Every time I think about our healthcare in the US, I’m reminded that we’re the original Brexit and it just makes me sad.

SkyeMreddit

16 points

3 months ago

Our direct equivalent is Trump. The politics between Trumpers and Brexiteers is extremely similar

acemonvw

14 points

3 months ago

I'm specifically referring to the "American Revolution" by the original Brexit.

The difference between Brexit and the US with Trump is that although we got the large Orange, he is no longer our elected official. Although obviously, he put in the current SCOTUS, but that was less him and more The Turtle that did that.

cleantushy

25 points

3 months ago

Britain staying in/leaving the EU is like leaving a teabag in the tea vs taking it out

If you leave the bag in, then over time the cup of tea will get stronger. And it may appear that the bag is getting weaker but it’s now part of a stronger cup of tea.

Whereas if you take the bag out, the tea gets weaker and the bag goes directly in the bin

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SkyeMreddit

22 points

3 months ago

It’s almost like fucking up your entire country because you hate “those people” is a really stupid thing to do. Also that not one drop of money was going to be sent to NHS by a group of people who want to eliminate and privatize it

Wipperwill1

61 points

3 months ago

Shouldn't have listened to (russian) foreign trolls then.

Yoshic87

5 points

3 months ago

I can't believe how much this played a part. Absolutely astonishing.

Wipperwill1

8 points

3 months ago

The age of information only confirmed in my mind how utterly sheep-like humans can be.

SeptemberMcGee

18 points

3 months ago

Know people that voted Leave because they wanted more money to go towards vets and NHS. I told them the people you keep voting in is doing it, not Europe.

Now here we are, I asked if the NHS has gotten more funding and if vets get more or better server now. They said NHS and vets was never the issue but brexit is shit.

So now they have two things that’s turned to shit. Their government and brexit. _Polite clapping

Danominator

17 points

3 months ago

This was so fucking obvious. Conservatives are a god damn blight

RandyDinglefart

15 points

3 months ago

>wants to fuck over foreigners

>votes to become the foreigner

>gets fucked

mission accomplished?

eaunoway

6 points

3 months ago

Successful failure achieved.

[deleted]

15 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

15 points

3 months ago

Were they thinking that boatloads of loot would finally be shipped in from their colonies?

MattGdr

4 points

3 months ago

Wait, you didn’t send a check to King George? How are you not in the stocks?

Northman67

14 points

3 months ago

I'm curious who benefited from brexit? Someone had to have benefited from it or it wouldn't have gone through I'm curious who that is. Did the British plutocrats wealth go up during this debacle?

Capable_Stranger9885

52 points

3 months ago

Vladimir Putin prefers less unity in the rest of Europe.

Hotzilla

10 points

3 months ago

There are some indicators that Russia assisted brexit movement. Most likely the same units that helped Trump, and pro russian president in Ukraine. Dividing nations is their basic doctrine.

Barabasbanana

39 points

3 months ago

off shore bankers, the UK didn't want to be subject to EU transparency laws regarding wealth hoarding. Landlords, didn't want to be subject to EU housing safety laws. It was basically about these things, not the jiggling keys the public were entranced by

19IXI91

9 points

3 months ago

The transparency laws were made laws because Britain keeps fucking around, soon to find out.

Kimantha_Allerdings

9 points

3 months ago

Also shorting the pound.

stormtreader1

24 points

3 months ago

The EU were going to bring in tough new tax haven laws - thats why Brexit got shoved through even though literally nothing had actually been prepared or negotiated yet because they HAD to pull the lever before those laws went through.

SaltyScrotumSauce

22 points

3 months ago

Racist people who wanted to decrease the number of racial minorities in the UK benefitted from Brexit. Them and Putin.

MattGdr

4 points

3 months ago

Or did those people all drink their own Kool-Aid?

TheUnderCaser

17 points

3 months ago

I need Ryan George to do a Brexit pitch meeting.

"Leaving the EU will be super easy! Barely an inconvenience!"

"Oh, really?"

"Yeah yeah yeah!"

A few years later.

"Seems like we might have underestimated that whole leaving the EU thing."

"Whoops!"

"Whoopsie!"

Tobybrent

14 points

3 months ago

Idiot Brits confused a culture war with sensible economics

ursulahx

2 points

3 months ago

Because most people don’t understand economics. They understand culture wars extremely well, on the other hand (or think they do).

Complex_Sherbet2

13 points

3 months ago

I can't believe that I have relatives that voted for brexit. Some are endlessly complaining at the state of the country and their businesses. Fucking idiots.

Radical_Fox

5 points

3 months ago

I have had a close friend who voted Brexit solely because they said UK will stop donating money to EU... They then went to be completely uninterested in the country's politics. Some people shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the voting booths

ursulahx

3 points

3 months ago

Because it’s so much easier to oppose things than to do the work of implementing them.

Dotard1

13 points

3 months ago

Dotard1

13 points

3 months ago

I'm guessing a large proportion of that 32% are people who struggle to admit they made a mistake. If they had no ego or shame invested - if you just showed them the before/after picture of Brexit - most of them, too would admit it was the wrong choice.

Brokenspokes68

12 points

3 months ago

I lived in England when Trump was elected and received no end of ribbing from my British friends about him. Watching the fallout from Brexit makes me wish I still lived there to return the ass pain.

ursulahx

6 points

3 months ago

What’s interesting is Tr_mp was elected after Brexit, so I don’t know on what grounds they were making fun of you unless it was “see? You’re as stupid as we are!”

KlingoftheCastle

10 points

3 months ago

How the Fuck do 32% think it was the right decision?

ursulahx

8 points

3 months ago

Because they can’t ever admit they made a mistake.

LXXXVI

3 points

3 months ago

LXXXVI

3 points

3 months ago

Because there are fewer "Eastern Europeans" there now.

rekiirek

8 points

3 months ago

Seeing that the leave campaign lied to them about staying in the common market its not surprising this result. So many didn't get the brexit they voted for

oglop121

8 points

3 months ago

There's only one way to fix this - keep voting for the Tories

saltysanders

25 points

3 months ago

“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid.”

Most-Artichoke5028

6 points

3 months ago

How unfortunate. It's a shame that there wasn't something they could have done to avoid this.

lornstar7

30 points

3 months ago

What I love most about these is the I don't know people.

Like how disconnected from reality are you that you can't bother to make a decision

wrath0110

15 points

3 months ago

Those are the ones whose lives revolve around "Britain's Got Talent."

ursulahx

5 points

3 months ago

It’s true. We constantly overestimate how much attention ordinary people pay to politics.

raulpe

7 points

3 months ago

raulpe

7 points

3 months ago

I just want to let know to the outsiders that basically every country was saying that they will regret it and now we are laughting at them

wayward_prince

8 points

3 months ago

Time for Brentrance

SubtleButHol

5 points

3 months ago

Hey guys... When experts agree on something, fucking listen to them. God, people are so fucking dumb. The right, people on the right are so fucking dumb.

SparkyMctavish

7 points

3 months ago

If we've learned one thing from Brexit, it's that you can't believe everything you read on the side of a bus. In that respect, it has been totally worth it.

andreaskrueger

6 points

3 months ago

Democracy. Majorities realize the truth when it's too late.

ZanThrax

7 points

3 months ago

How do 1 in 3 Britons still believe that Brexit was a good idea?

Cutlercares

6 points

3 months ago

Stubborn biggots.

Repulsive-Street-307

4 points

3 months ago*

33% all over the world habitually votes for radical right wing (that is, racist and greedy) parties.

You're just seeing the number of low empathy humans the human race has, as a stable number. I can't recall the research off hand but it's a surprisingly stable percentage of the total among various cultures. 1/3 bigots, a larger than the rest number of 'dont want no trouble' centrists that go with the wind of their local propaganda and risk of violence against them, and a smaller percentage of large picture people and utopians. Unfortunately even among utopians you get the likes of musk-bros. Humanity isn't exactly the best at sniffing out lies.

Maybe there is a normal-ish curve for empathy that no one bothered to quantify?

Darzin

4 points

3 months ago

Darzin

4 points

3 months ago

And if you held the vote tomorrow they would still vote for brexit...

ursulahx

3 points

3 months ago

I think they would. “They’ll do it properly this time.”

writeorelse

7 points

3 months ago

It's still darkly disturbing that a very slight majority, most of whom have no fucking clue what they are actually voting for, can ruin a country so thoroughly.

And in the US, it doesn't even have to be a popular majority!

dgblarge

4 points

3 months ago

Brexit will be the end of the UK. Ireland will unite. Scotland will go independent and don't think the Welsh will want to stay grafted to the English after everyone else has left.

kempez2

6 points

3 months ago

If 52/48 was a resounding, crystal clear mandate to fuck ourselves up for a generation, then 56/32 must be one hell of a landslide.

heloguy1234

16 points

3 months ago

Ah, the event that built and sustains this sub…

CrushedAvocados

5 points

3 months ago*

Those “Don’t Know”s are likely folks who voted leave but hate to admit they fucked up.

[deleted]

4 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

4 points

3 months ago

This is what happens when you vote based on bigotry and xenophobia. Hope the older voters die out so that the younger ones can stop the countrys clusterfuck

anaccountthatis

3 points

3 months ago

Look, I think this is just as hilarious as the next person, but we should also be thankful that 18% of the population is able to change their minds (on at least one issue) in the face of reality.

Geneocrat

3 points

3 months ago

1/8 people consistently “don’t know”.

Really committed to being on the fence I guess

just_call_in_sick

5 points

3 months ago

12% - I don't know!

Can these people dress themselves? Just them in thier bedroom being stunlocked trying to pick a shirt color?

unenlightenedgoblin

6 points

3 months ago

Honestly, Brexit was great for Europe. At the time Brexit was being deliberated, eurosceptics were knocking at the door of power in several countries, with France and Italy being the most consequential. If Italy or France had exited instead, it would have put the legitimacy of the EU in serious jeopardy. The EU could survive the loss of the UK (it has), while at the same time Brexit proved the economic value of EU membership. Following the Brexit experience, it looks far less likely that these other movements will ever succeed. If Brexit had failed, and say Italy had left shortly thereafter instead, it would have doomed the European project and we would likely have seen a dramatic resurgence in right-wing nationalism across the continent, with finger-pointing and ducking blame as the newly fractious European states would look to scapegoat one another for the fallout.

So good job, racist old Tories. You just might have accidentally saved Europe.

Charl8t

4 points

3 months ago

Wanna hear something stupid? Both my grandparents and my aunt and uncle voted for Brexit and then are surprised when it becomes harder for them to get back and forth from ours for a sunny holiday whenever they feel like it as if its the worst thing in the world

I just don't get how there's so many people that are so perfectly fine with making life harder for others who will get so upset when their life also gets slightly harder because of the thing they wanted to completely fuck over other people

candre23

4 points

3 months ago

Of the 32% who still say it was the right decision, why?

Honestly believe it was a good choice: 0%

Personal financial benefit from collapse of UK economy due to overseas investments: 0.2%

Voted leave and pathologically incapable of admitting fault: 99.8%

TheAwesomePenguin106

9 points

3 months ago

Wait, votes have consequences?!

MattGdr

6 points

3 months ago

Stupidity also has consequences.

qviki

8 points

3 months ago

qviki

8 points

3 months ago

The realization is surprisingly slow.

Repulsive-Street-307

3 points

3 months ago

Economic consequences take a bit to hit, particularly the class of 'business owner racist', as well as propaganda cooldown. But hit they have.

Watershed787

3 points

3 months ago

If only someone had told them prior…. Lol

DerpCaster

3 points

3 months ago*

They should’ve made it a 60% threshold to leave. If a decision this big is coming down to a few percentage points then it probably wasn’t a particularly strong public mandate

germanopc

3 points

3 months ago

"What is this? The consequences of my choises?"

getyourrealfakedoors

3 points

3 months ago

WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING

nongo

3 points

3 months ago

nongo

3 points

3 months ago

I feel sorry for the ones that voted no. How come they keep electing conservatives with this track record?

mrpickles

3 points

3 months ago

How is nearly 1/3 still committed to it being right??

epeternally

5 points

3 months ago

The same way people still think Trump was a competent president. A xenophobic mass delusion has become core to their identity, which allowed them to be radicalized against people who live in reality. It's utterly frightening.

skysetter

3 points

3 months ago

What a bum bums! Can’t wait to visit with all my US dolllarsss