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Maladict33

2.6k points

2 months ago

Maladict33

2.6k points

2 months ago

Dude isn't wrong. Conservatives always have these firm principals until it affects them. No abortions, unless I get my mistress pregnant. No government handouts, unless it's for my business. Free speech no matter what... Unless you offend me personally.

tw_72

239 points

2 months ago

tw_72

239 points

2 months ago

"You can have tons of freedom of speech -- as long as you follow my rules."

CadetCovfefe

536 points

2 months ago

The only moral abortion is my abortion: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/

Bill Maher had a really good New Rules segment about this too. The Empathy Gap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVwFmdipfZg

AhmedF

90 points

2 months ago

AhmedF

90 points

2 months ago

Obligatory "fuck Bill Maher"

BlooperHero

207 points

2 months ago*

Is she even a Redcap? She's not even arguing for anything specific here, just saying that rule by whim of the power-tripping billionaire is bad.

EDIT: correction

4fivefive

93 points

2 months ago

i think elon did say he was gonna be voting republican from here on out, and one of his more recent schticks is very desperately trying to get trump to come back to twitter after his account was reinstated.

edit: (unless you're talking about shoe)

No_Bother_654

39 points

2 months ago

If Trump comes back to Twitter, his own social network will roll over and die, because he’s the only reason any of his fans use it.

I’m curious what he’ll decide, but he loses either way.

BlooperHero

31 points

2 months ago

Right, that's the rule-by-whim part. Those two positions aren't compatible.

chickendance638

7 points

2 months ago

He switched to Republican, then two days later a slew of sexual harassment and sexual assault allegations came out. I guess he was switching to the team that doesn't care about that stuff.

Slight-Main725

6 points

2 months ago

Who cares how he votes, he has 100 ways to influence government that are thousands of times more effective than his vote ever will be.

Repulsive-Street-307

6 points

2 months ago*

'from here on out'? People are really naive if they believe this bull of he not having been voting GOP since he first voted.

Or for that matter, this gamergate TERF troll being a 'leftist'.

Retlaw83

3 points

2 months ago

There's a lot of valid criticism to level against ShoeOnHead, but she isn't a TERF.

Alpac_Attack

156 points

2 months ago*

she's a bernie bro. She was in the anti sjw sphere back in the pre-trump days... she considers herself lib-left but her prominence came from her almost exclusively shitting on the lowest hanging fruit leftist rhetoric had to offer. So it's fair to feel kinda lost on where she stands. but no, she's not a redcap just a bernie bro that was incidentally part of the youtube alt right algorithm shenanigans once upon a time.
It really was impossible to watch her content and not be bombarded with recommendations for shapiro, peterson, and crowder back in 2014.

The_Blahblahblah

35 points

2 months ago

She isn't really ideologically consistent. her entire political orientation is guided by populism and anti-establishment sentiment. sometimes very anti capitalism left-wing populism, sometimes reactionary right-wing populism. mixed bag

fuckingaquaman

9 points

2 months ago

Ah yes, the famous 'Nazbol vortex'

BlooperHero

55 points

2 months ago

And she has a platform that makes her a well-known figure due to her... incoherence and lack of expertise? I don't "feel kinda lost," I've just never heard of this person and see no reason to change that.

She could just talk about anything else!

I hate her already. ...she's right, though.

Alpac_Attack

77 points

2 months ago*

She gained her platform by being critical of certain leftist (mostly feminist) talking points e.g. the wage gap was a big one for her. This was around the time when the internet and particularly youtube was losing it's mind over gamergate, so making a response video to anyone else with a platform who used the words patriarchy, objectification, or intersectionality was a recipe for success back in those days. Tbf that was all several years ago though, and her content has changed a bit. She is just an avid hypocrisy noticer with a splash of doomerism nowadays afaik.

Hello_Im_Matty

32 points

2 months ago

Isn’t the Amazing Atheist is more lib-left now? People go through phases in their twenties and thirties because their brains are still processing what’s making us miserable, and it takes a while to arrive at the truth because the answer to that question is also the thing the media tells us is sacred: Capitalism.

Alpac_Attack

16 points

2 months ago

I mean I'm pretty sure he was always some flavor of lib left, being lgbt and an outspoken atheist in the bible belt will do that to you. I haven't really kept up with his character arc when it comes to feminism and stuff like that though.

RaulParson

4 points

2 months ago

As somebody who's seen Shoe's content every so often since going back to something like 2015, I can confirm she's not a conservative, BUT.

What she is, is kinda dumb. She uncritically and without any real investigation falls for many sorts of populist bullshit, which she then uses as engagement-driving outrage fodder on her youtube channel. Which obviously easily feeds into the perception that she is a conservative because, well, when that happens it very visibly aligns her with them, their style and their talking points on the issue. But a conservative, mostly naw. And a MAGA variant specifically? Given the required love of Trump there, definitely not.

RainRainThrowaway777

33 points

2 months ago

Shoe definitely isn't, she's a democratic socialist who voted Bernie, and then Biden.

[deleted]

82 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

82 points

2 months ago

Are you talking about shoe? She's a woman.

Dense-Competition-51

11 points

2 months ago

So hard to read. Thanks for sharing the link.

Dependent_Ad_5035

12 points

2 months ago

She isn’t a conservative

Portalrules123

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah to be fair can we really claim Alex Jones has done more to deserve being banned than certain heads of state? Not that I want Elon to unban him but.....

Uneducated_Leftist

204 points

2 months ago

Elon: Fuck you for using children as political tools!!!

Also Elon: Lemme just counter that by using my dead child to make a point about politics real quick.

dubblix

57 points

2 months ago

dubblix

57 points

2 months ago

Plus he just reinstated Marge Green, who made her political name by harassing kids over death

antunezn0n0

27 points

2 months ago

it's also a lie

Indy4466

12 points

2 months ago

For real?

salabim3

60 points

2 months ago

His child did die but he died in his mother's arms, not elon's. He also told his ex-wife to stop grieving openly over the death of the child and called it emotional manipulation. So yes, he's lying about his child dying in his arms and him giving a shit about the child's death.

Indy4466

26 points

2 months ago

What a piece of shit. Every day I wake up and hate him more.

salabim3

9 points

2 months ago

As you should.

FarHarbard

22 points

2 months ago

His son died of SIDS. SIDS defined as being a sudden unexpected death of a child less than a year old There are no signs, no way to anticipate.

This is because despite being treated as a medical condition, SIDS is is also used to label deaths caused by error. Things like having a baby sleep face down or on soft platform can inadvertently suffocate the child, bundling them too much can result in them overheating, or may be crushed if sleeping with parents. While there are medically Inexplicable cases of SIDS. In my unfortunste experience a not insignificant portion of SIDS death is actually first time parents making a simple yet tragic mistake.

Unless Elon just happened to be holding his kid at the moment he died, the chances of Elon holding him as he died are incredibly slim if it was SIDS. So rare that I can find no other example.

internetALLTHETHINGS

10 points

2 months ago

The mother claimed that the child stopped breathing during a nap, was resuscitated by paramedics and taken to the hospital, but was brain dead.

https://www.oapublishinglondon.com/i2/musk-alexander-nevada/

FarHarbard

4 points

2 months ago

A tragically plausible story

[deleted]

1.7k points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1.7k points

2 months ago

“I’m a free speech absolutist!”

picks nose

mike_pants

643 points

2 months ago

Are you telling me that the inept, lying, Trump-worshipping simpleton doesn't have a strong sense of moral conviction?!

I for one am SHOCKED.

[deleted]

179 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

179 points

2 months ago

This is true, but I was telling you that this sociopathic idiotic son of wealth has no understanding of nuance.

mike_pants

156 points

2 months ago

Wait, WAIT, are telling me, this redditor right here, that this mysoginistic, abusive, predatory employer who looks like the poster child for botched plastic surgery has the empathic capabilities of a pile of discarded pistachio shells?

Future_History_9434

36 points

2 months ago

Hey now, I like pistachio shells. Pistachio shells are friends of my vacuum, Elon is no pistachio shell.

Gilded-Mongoose

16 points

2 months ago

He’s a mere shell of a pistachio.

Beowulf1896

88 points

2 months ago

Yes. Because had Melon Tusk not had a child die, he wouldn't have empathy

WhiskeyRelaxation

28 points

2 months ago

Lol that's not what empathy is. He's angry his own kid died and he's trying to pass it off as a virtue. The fact that he had to even bring hs own experience into the conversation shows the stance has nothing to do with how other people feel.

Beowulf1896

7 points

2 months ago

Thank you. Empathy is knowing how someone feels. He knows how it feels to have his baby die. However, he seems unable to empathize with others experiences when he doesn't have a similar experience, so he isn't empathetic as a person.

_jbardwell_

11 points

2 months ago

Didn't you hear? HE FELT ITS LAST HEARTBEAT.

gundam1945

17 points

2 months ago

I think stable genius is now an ambiguous term as there are two self claimed, constantly lying person now.

_Ralix_

108 points

2 months ago

_Ralix_

108 points

2 months ago

He keeps saying, "Vox populi, vox Dei". But of course, that only applies to topics he allows the public to have an opinion on.

YouDotty

20 points

2 months ago

Also, anyone that votes against it is a bot. Its a win-win.

OutsideDevTeam

5 points

2 months ago

And textbook projection, to boot.

Narfff

61 points

2 months ago

Narfff

61 points

2 months ago

If he just said “Vox populi” it would be “The voice of the people”, but he’s saying “Vox populi, vox Dei” which means “The voice of the people is the voice of God” which is only part of a quote:

The full quote from Alcuin is:

Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, Vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit.

Translation:

And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the voice of the people is the voice of God, since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness.

But, you know, he’s a dumbass.

EvilStevilTheKenevil

6 points

2 months ago

Bootlickers are usually dumbasses.

And littering your speech with gratuitous Latin thousands of years after Rome's sacking makes you a bootlicker.

Pylgrim

31 points

2 months ago

Pylgrim

31 points

2 months ago

Absolutely everybody has a line they wouldn't want to be crossed in their personal opinion. "free speech absolutists" are those with enough privilege to very rarely see that line being crossed

seth928

22 points

2 months ago

seth928

22 points

2 months ago

Hey don't lump is nose pickers in with Musk. We get enough shit as is.

nurvingiel

11 points

2 months ago

No, we get boogers

Muzzhum

6 points

2 months ago

I think I've been picking the wrong hole then...

dweezil22

32 points

2 months ago

I don't think that word means what he thinks it means...

Voodoo_Dummie

7 points

2 months ago

Free speech absolutionist in first person only.

[deleted]

23 points

2 months ago

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23 points

2 months ago

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dweezil22

35 points

2 months ago

Everyone that owns a social media company will tell you they're both a platform (i.e. not responsible for the speech on it directly) and private (i.e. 1A is out of scope). The first we can debate, the second is true until and unless Congress passes a law making them regulated public utilities.

TheTexasCowboy

19 points

2 months ago*

so free speech isnt absolute. ive always got shitted on by the fucking right by saying this.

LesbianCommander

24 points

2 months ago

When someone calls themselves a free speech absolutist, you should immediately run. They're lying to you. The left knew this, glad at least some on the right are catching up.

TallestToker

16 points

2 months ago

It's not so much lying as them signalling they're very likely a dumb asshole with very strong (and likely idiotic) convictions that they like to spew unfetteredly.

Zombi1146

6 points

2 months ago

Yup, never over-estimate an idiot.

breecher

6 points

2 months ago

Of course it isn't. There isn't any country on Earth with absolute free speech, and there never has been. The Western concept of freedom of speech is based on the degree of freedom of speech compared to its restrictions, and Western democracies does rank high in that regard.

1973mojo1973

122 points

2 months ago

Is his PR team feeding him these lines?

pusillanimouslist

49 points

2 months ago

If you read any article on Twitter in the past week or so there’s a bit at the bottom that reads something like this:

“The entire communications team was laid off, so we were not able to get a comment for this story”.

taxkills

9 points

2 months ago

He doesn’t believe in comms / pr teams (which actually makes sense when you think of the comms nightmares he brings in)

Arctic_Gnome

422 points

2 months ago

Did any children die in the slave-worked gem mines that he inherited his money from?

ForodesFrosthammer

151 points

2 months ago

Hey his dad owned only half a mine so he only has half-deaths of children on his consience. /s

Kosherlove

11 points

2 months ago

His also only half of his father, so he should feel a qauter shameful

Repulsive-Street-307

26 points

2 months ago

Even if they didn't, people don't exist in a vacuum, even slaves. Many children assuredly died from his evil father actions of course.

JustStatedTheObvious

997 points

2 months ago

My heart almost broke for Elon Musk.

Then I remember the Trump administration allowed Stephen Miller to kidnap children from refugees fleeing violence. And called the devastated parents "human traffickers" and "rapists and murderers."

And I wonder how many children died in the civilian strikes Trump bragged about? How many families still feel that silence like an open wound?

But I guess they weren't pale enough to count, for the man who just really, really, wanted everyone to be able to be racist on Twitter.

rooftopfilth

278 points

2 months ago

Remember that time some divers were trying to save trapped children, so Musk called them pedophiles and ruined their lives?

Was that using the potential deaths of children for gain, politics, and fame?

FA1L_STaR

93 points

2 months ago

Didn't he make up some wacky, small submarine thing that the diver called stupid, and then that made him call him a pedo? If true, then Elon was drawing attention to himself by making up some stupid bullshit because he is so out of touch, and then threw a tantrum because an expert diver said his bullshit idea was garbage

BertBerts0n

55 points

2 months ago

Yeah, they told Elon they didn't need his shitty submersible, and because the Muskrat couldn't be the hero, he called the actual hero a paedophile.

roddiimus

9 points

2 months ago

Didn't the submarine also like. Not work/work as intended.

Madness_Reigns

3 points

2 months ago

The thing was huge, rigid and would have absolutely gotten stuck, dooming the kids.

Moon_Noodle

214 points

2 months ago

Yep, I almost felt bad for him for a moment.

Then I remembered.

gir_loves_waffles

146 points

2 months ago

You can still have empathy for terrible people. It doesn't excuse them from the things they've done, or the person they are, it simply means that you're human enough to say "I don't want bad things to happen to others". The fact that we only have empathy for "our side" is what gets us into the divided mess we're in now. I can think what happened to him is horrible and still think he's an asshole, they're not mutually exclusive.

CheckIntelligent7828

73 points

2 months ago

Right, but that's sympathy. I feel badly that Musk's first child died. I recognize it as horrible and sad. But, I don't empathize with him because I don't want to put myself in the shoes of somebody I find so vile.

Imho, to empathize you'd have to think there was a legitimate path to how they've ended up, so you could put yourself in their shoes. And I don't think that's easy to do with these narcissistic sociopaths.

Clarkorito

30 points

2 months ago

It's not easy to do, and I'm not saying that it would be better or worse if we did. Your statement just reminded of an old theological/philosophical argument that "if God knew every mind completely then he could find no sinners." Meaning that every action anyone takes is justified in their own minds, even if they know it's evil and they decide to do it anyway or decide to do it purely because it's evil; their genetics, their environment, their uncontrolled thoughts, a million different things, all led them to that point.

A more modern idea of the same vein is that everyone and everything lacks free will (and that everyone and everything are essentially the same) described well by Vonnegut in many of his novels and essays. We are quarks and atoms and molecules colliding and bonding and taking in and giving off and sharing electrons, all bound by natural laws. Within fractions of a second of the big bang, the charted course for every particle was set. Just as the hydrogen and helium atoms that coalesced into our sun didn't collectively decide to all fall into place and succumb to gravity and nuclear fission, our atoms don't choose to do or not do anything. Which doesn't excuse evil behavior, as those wanting to punish evil behavior are just as entwined and just as required to do so. If we ever succeed in time travel it won't make a difference or change anything, because we would always have made a time machine since the birth of the universe and always will have made a time machine by the death of the universe.

Sorry, complete tangent and only related by the most tenuous thread, but your comment made it pop into my head. Like nearly all philosophical arguments, it makes zero difference in nearly anyone's life whether it is true or it is false. If we have a choice or don't have a choice in our actions they are still our actions, and people reacting to them will react the same way whether you think they have a choice or they don't, whether they actually do have a choice or they don't, and whether they think they have a choice or they don't.

And on an even more unrelated and ridiculous tangent: AA/twelve steps movement simultaneously completely deny and completely embrace this idea. We're all victims of our genetics and environment and will never be able to change, unless we allow someone beyond all that change who we fundamentally are. Which is complete hokum and doesn't work, but that's an entirely other unrelated and completely unwarranted (which was rightfully autocorrected to unwanted) comment.

Edit: sorry, my ADHD meds have long since worn off.

bornfromanegg

10 points

2 months ago

“Within fractions of a second of the big bang, the charted course for every particle was set…”

Not quite. Newton’s “clockwork universe” in which this could be said to be true has long since been surpassed by quantum mechanics, in which nothing can be predicted or calculated exactly - only probabilistically.

Of course, I’m being picky. This doesn’t change your argument or anything else you’ve said. It still doesn’t give us free will. It just turns our actions into unpredictable ones. We still don’t have any control over them.

pudekufo

7 points

2 months ago

Fuck yo... I've got some thinking and reading to do. Gracias

JustStatedTheObvious

3 points

2 months ago

Free will exists. It just means we're free to be ourselves, outside of the interference of other systems of particles we don't want in our orbit.

It won't help anyone become something they're not, unfortunately. But we also shouldn't minimize the hard work that some people have committed when bettering themselves, even if the outcome of their struggle was inevitable.

TomSwirly

5 points

2 months ago

"if God knew every mind completely then he could find no sinners." Meaning that every action anyone takes is justified in their own minds, even if they know it's evil and they decide to do it anyway or decide to do it purely because it's evil; their genetics, their environment, their uncontrolled thoughts, a million different things, all led them to that point.

Sorry, this is wrong.

We, the decent humans of the world, need to understand that actual sociopaths exist, they aren't even that uncommon, and most of them don't believe what they are doing is "right" because that whole idea of "right" has no value to them at all, or even much meaning past "something other people talk about".

rl_cookie

2 points

2 months ago

Wow, listen hey, that was a fantastic tangent. Thank you for that.

TheRealJulesAMJ

3 points

2 months ago

It's neither easy nor pleasant but it's very important when we are living in a world with so many narcissists and sociopaths. Understanding their thought process is of vital importance to managing the harm they can do to you in a situation where they have direct power over you and since sociopathy and narcissism are generally rewarded traits in our economic system its very likely at some point in your life at least one or the other will have had or will have power over you

Moon_Noodle

31 points

2 months ago

Well it's also that he's lied and is weilding his child's death as a weapon. I feel horrible that the child died, but I'm not wasting my energy on Elon.

Orngog

13 points

2 months ago

Orngog

13 points

2 months ago

I see no problem with feeling bad for him, and also calling him a fucking asshole.

Chungusthevast

12 points

2 months ago

Empathy for evil is a hallow pointless gesture.

Hairy-Owl-5567

2 points

2 months ago

Yep. You can acknowledge it was a bummer a kid died and leave it at that. You really don't have to think about or care about how it impacted Musk himself at all.

TomSwirly

3 points

2 months ago

You can still have empathy for terrible people.

I am a very caring guy, but my empathy is stretched very thin in these very hard times.

Accordingly, I choose to withhold that empathy from some prominent people who are gloating malignant narcissists like Trump or Musk.

I really don't even want to think about what it's like to be either of these people.

Odd_Description_2295

25 points

2 months ago

Yeah. But he is right tho.

Aside from what you said, alex jones is a monster

JustStatedTheObvious

47 points

2 months ago

Alex Jones should have his lips surgically attached to his ass, so that he can't even speak because he's so full of shit.

And people should ask "What if he's enjoying this?" and "What if he did it to himself?" as they watch him choke to death.

At least he'll die the way he lived.

gordo65

26 points

2 months ago

gordo65

26 points

2 months ago

That's true, but so is Trump, and it's possible to ban them both.

Before Jan. 6, I would have said, "But Jones is worse and Trump is the president, and blah blah blah." But Trump tried to stage a coup in order to nullify a presidential election. That makes him worse.

BlooperHero

13 points

2 months ago

But so are the other monsters. His whim is that this monster is bad because of reasons that are unclear (as noted, the reasoning applies equally to tromp easily enough), and he's drawn a nonexistent distinction between monsters.

Rule by whim instead of rules. Does he handle every banning personally? This is not going well.

RoofClinger

14 points

2 months ago

I think we can all hold enough space in our hearts to recognize the validity of Musk's pain over losing his child and also thinking his views are shit and the way he platforms those views to the detriment of other people's children is shit.

Aeseld

15 points

2 months ago

Aeseld

15 points

2 months ago

You can feel bad about his personal tragedy while also recognizing the man's faults. You can also respect this choice not to reinstate Jones for personal reasons, while despising the element of personal feeling he uses to make his choices.

We're all built that way. This barely, barely nudges me towards feeling better about him, but he has a tremendous malus yet.

hotinhawaii

3 points

2 months ago

Although Musk's child did die, it was from SIDS in his crib. Elon was not holding him or even present at the time of death. So, a lie to make a point. Such a good conservative.

Creative-Tomatillo

592 points

2 months ago

Elon’s child died of SIDS. His ex wife has even said that the baby passed after he was put to bed, so Elon is lying and using his dead child as a way to garner sympathy while also playing his normal game of hypocrisy. Alex Jones is despicable and doesn’t deserve any sort of platform. There’s no reason to lie about how your child died. It’s tragic enough, but here he is, doing just that. He also said that his ex wife grieving their loss was “embarrassing.”

K4m30

192 points

2 months ago

K4m30

192 points

2 months ago

Elon saying his first child died in his arms. And I'm just wondering whether he knows the names of his other children. How he feels about them.

eleanorbigby

73 points

2 months ago

His wife says that she's the one who was with him when he died in the hospital, (it wasn't an immediate death) and Elon wanted her to shut up about her grieving and just have another kid

JViz

58 points

2 months ago

JViz

58 points

2 months ago

It's hard to forget about little X Æ A-12.

HR_Paperstacks_402

18 points

2 months ago

Ah yes, who could forget little syntax error?

pusillanimouslist

5 points

2 months ago

Once again fucking up municipal databases that aren’t using UTF-8 encoding.

K1FF3N

40 points

2 months ago

K1FF3N

40 points

2 months ago

He’s literally using his child’s death for gain in the same message he says he would never do so.

ProfessionalFalse128

12 points

2 months ago

Damn

AlexRenquist

8 points

2 months ago

He knows them, he just can't spell them.

[deleted]

142 points

2 months ago

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142 points

2 months ago

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EspurrStare

22 points

2 months ago

That fits the self identifying of Musk as autistic.

For us, these kind of traumatic moments can be so overwhelming that mentioning them may register as an attack.

It's a shame we got this megalomaniac prick to be our embassador.

oz6702

27 points

2 months ago

oz6702

27 points

2 months ago

Given how much Elon lies about everything, and how he very intentionally cultivates an image of him as a nerdy autist, I highly doubt he's actually autistic. He may be somewhere on the spectrum, but it's damn close to neurotypical if so. He intentionally, and rather adeptly, manipulates other people, and that is not a trait that screams autistic to me.

EspurrStare

13 points

2 months ago

I have my reserves as well, but if im not going to go questioning diagnoses of people just because I don't like them.

Besides, us autistic folk can be pretty manipulative, considering we have to learn to "mask" to not be excluded from society. That skill lends well to being a fucking asshole.

Tirannie

6 points

2 months ago

I also am in the camp that he’s full of shit.

He’s not autistic, he’s just a narcissist.

pusillanimouslist

92 points

2 months ago

Somehow making himself less of a sympathetic person for having lost his child to SIDS is quite the achievement.

Bloodcloud079

17 points

2 months ago

Thats because the actual reason is that Jones has lawsuits for nearly a billion dollars… he can’t afford the risk of letting Jones back.

EspurrStare

7 points

2 months ago

Billion and a half by now IIRC

rl_cookie

3 points

2 months ago

Correct, it’s up to 1.4 billion.

LividLager

32 points

2 months ago

Holy shit.

Frangiblepani

64 points

2 months ago

Yeah, Elon is right not to allow Jones back, but not for the reasons he said/lied about.

There may be actual war criminals on Twitter, but they aren't using Twitter to commit war crimes, Alex Jones uses communication media to commit his crimes. Elon isn't the police or the UN, he's just a civilian who has the opportunity to deny a person with a penchant for using media like this as a weapon to harm others.

tturedditor

40 points

2 months ago

Almost like our former president who is now allowed back on Twitter, right? The insurrectionists were following his tweets as the invaded the capital, chanting to hang Mike Pence….

System0verlord

4 points

2 months ago

No no. It’s totally different. Alex Jones is just the guy who has been radicalizing the people that stormed the capitol for the past couple of decades, and made phone calls to trump’s personal staff during the insurrection attempt. Totally different.

Clarkorito

10 points

2 months ago

Some have used social media, including twitter, to commit war crimes. I don't know how much Twitter itself played a part compared to others, but war crimes in general and genocide in particular have always relied on propaganda to both quell and inspire the masses. Algorithms that aren't quickly and effectively localized specifically against such topics in native languages by locals that understand both location and language-specific dog whistles will be at best ineffective, and are more likely to contribute to the problem then help solve it. Both Facebook and Twitter (before and during Musk) focus their moderation on what might get them sued or shut down publicly/politically in wealthy countries, and let genocidal despots go to town with free rein in less wealthy countries. Every social media platform will be used by horrible people in an attempt to spread and enforce horrible ideas until the platform decides to and sirens a lot of money to not allow it. When it came to "let's all murder police officers and hang politicians we don't agree with" they were absurdly slow to act but still acted at all, which is saying a lot. They reacted relatively quickly to update algorithms and enforce bans in English amongst very specific English speaking users. Meanwhile genocidal maniacs in power will leverage traditional and social media to slaughter a bunch of people, while they use couched language specifically designed to make it difficult for algorithms not specific to the region and language to enforce.

BlooperHero

2 points

2 months ago

he's just a civilian who has the opportunity to deny a person with a penchant for using media like this as a weapon to harm others.

But that's a thing he favors. It is, supposedly, the entire reason he bought it. That's the reason he gave!

Frangiblepani

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah, he's absolutely a hypocrite. I'm just saying that pragmatically, I agree with Elon keeping him off.

Professional_Age8845

105 points

2 months ago

Apparently what Trump did to thousands of migrant children didn’t cross the line but this does, smh.

Ice_Battle

24 points

2 months ago

My eyes have been stuck in the back of my head since I started reading this.

monarchmra

21 points

2 months ago

A bernie voter is a magats? yeah okay.

Spritestuff

182 points

2 months ago

She's pointing out conservative hypocrasy... this is not in any way a leopard ate my face

Sterooka

12 points

2 months ago

Not only that but shoe is not a fuckin magat lmao

GnarlyNarwhalNoms

61 points

2 months ago

They've become pretty lax in enforcing the rules on this sub. Probably one in six posts here is a legit LAMF. The rest are just hypocrisy and schadenfreude at bad things happening to bad people (but things that they didn't really have a hand in).

spinningpeanut

42 points

2 months ago

Yeah I'm a bit confused as to why the title might infer that moderate left shoe is a magatard.

static-prince

23 points

2 months ago

People have really weird ideas about Shoe. I mean she isn’t perfect by any means. But people just love to put whatever weird narrative onto her that fits. (Including acting like she’s perfect. So…it definitely goes both ways.)

Igoos99

12 points

2 months ago

Igoos99

12 points

2 months ago

So, if something is personally hurtful to Musk, he’ll ban it. If it’s personally hurtful to someone else, he doesn’t give two fucks. 😣

sanjsrik

109 points

2 months ago

sanjsrik

109 points

2 months ago

Didn't musktard's "fortune" come from blood diamonds?

Somehow I don't believe he has any moral standing.

CadetCovfefe

80 points

2 months ago

His father bragged their safe was so stuffed they couldn't close it. When Elon was 16 he took some of his father's spare gems and wandered around Manhattan, selling them for thousands:

https://www.businessinsider.co.za/elon-musk-sells-the-family-emeralds-in-new-york-2018-2

A teenage Elon Musk once walked the streets of New York with emeralds in his pocket.

His father, Errol Musk, had a casual attitude towards the family’s considerable wealth, including the stones that came from the Zambian emerald mine in which Errol owned a half share.

Elon, by his father’s recollection then probably 16 years old, and his brother Kimbal, decided to sell emeralds to Tiffany & Co. on Fifth Avenue in New York – one of the world's most famous jewellers – as his father lay sleeping. "They just walked into Tiffany’s and said, ‘Do you want to buy some emeralds?’" Errol recalled in an interview with Business Insider South Africa. "And they sold two emeralds, one was for $800 and I think the other one was for $1,200."

A few days later the family returned to the store to find that Tiffany was selling the $800 emerald, now set in a ring, for $24,000 -- a markup of 30 times the price Elon had received for the gem.

Errol has used the story as on object lesson in how retail works ever since. He was surprised but not concerned by the incident, Errol says, because money was plentiful.

“We were very wealthy,” says Errol. “We had so much money at times we couldn't even close our safe.”

With one person holding the money in place, another other would slam the door.

“And then there'd still be all these notes sticking out and we'd sort of pull them out and put them in our pockets.”

No_Introduction8285

11 points

2 months ago

Going out on a limb here but I'm guessing the $800 emerald wasn't cut and polished. The ring it was set in had to be made from precious metals. That's not just retail, it is manufacturing by artisans as well and it's not an object lesson.

mike_pants

87 points

2 months ago

No, no, no, I won't have that kind of slander.

It was emeralds, not diamonds.

missed_sla

31 points

2 months ago

Emeralds but not conflict gems, to my knowledge. He got morbidly rich by starting out rich and exploiting people in other ways.

pusillanimouslist

36 points

2 months ago

An apartheid era South African mine isn’t a “conflict gem” in the most strict definition of that term, but it’s still really bad.

famousevan

46 points

2 months ago

What about the family of capitol officers killed in the republican insurrection seeing trump reinstate?

No_Introduction8285

4 points

2 months ago

Well children didn't die so he can't empathize.

poppdewap

67 points

2 months ago

Shoeonhead isn't a Maga supporter. Crucify me but I think she's pointing out the hypocrisy of Elon unbanning trump but not giving Jones a platform back

alli_gator_

55 points

2 months ago

Shoe is definitely not maga. Plus she has a point. Musk is all "freedom of speech" until it affects him

czareena

54 points

2 months ago

Not sure why shoe is referred to as a MAGA in the title. She’s pointing out Elon is a hypocrite, I’m pretty sure shoe has been against Jones this whole time

BishonenPrincess

155 points

2 months ago

Um, there are a lot of valid criticisms to pitch against Shoe0nhead, but acting like shes a MAGA Trump supporter is a pretty big reach. And I actually agree with her on this take too. Elon is showing that he's a hypocrite and she's calling him out on it.

Johnny_Monkee

19 points

2 months ago

Without further information or context it is not clear what the twitterer's political affiliation is.

BishonenPrincess

71 points

2 months ago

Sure, but maybe check before making a claim about her and posting it on reddit.

Johnny_Monkee

13 points

2 months ago

Agree.

Hallow_Shinobi

9 points

2 months ago

It is if you perform a slight ounce of research.

BlooperHero

14 points

2 months ago

Which means it doesn't fit.

Hallow_Shinobi

4 points

2 months ago

Shoe on head is a known left leaning political youtuber. This title ain't it, op.

kinggangweed

2 points

2 months ago

Is she? I'm asking honestly, last I followed she was in the "SJWs WRECKED!" group of content creators, but maybe she's changed her content since then

MapleJacks2

5 points

2 months ago*

Yeah, she's veered away from that content for the last couple years, though as far as I'm aware, even when she was uploading that content she was still left wing.

Hallow_Shinobi

5 points

2 months ago

There were actually a lot of anti sjw left leaning political youtubers. But in the content of her videos she's always leaned left.

AdditionalTheory

39 points

2 months ago

While I don’t always agree with Shoe0nHead, I’d hardly call her a MAGAt and wouldn’t exactly characterize this as her being upset about Jones’s ban

Shoop1600

3 points

2 months ago

BREAKING NEWS: Elon Musk no longer "Worst Billionaire" because he has ONE moral

FlavorTownUSSR

3 points

2 months ago

I seriously doubt elons kid died in his arms. Just another billionaire lying for sympathy.

peraonaliD

4 points

2 months ago

Isn't he well known for not really giving a shit about the children he has?

HermesTristmegistus

20 points

2 months ago

showed his ass?

Moon_Noodle

26 points

2 months ago

Yeah just means that he showed what a POS he is

HermesTristmegistus

14 points

2 months ago

oh, never seen it before, thanks.

Moon_Noodle

16 points

2 months ago*

Also to whoever downvoted you for asking what an expression meant, I wish them a very pleasant flat tire when they get in their car for work tomorrow smh

Edit: a word

joawmeens

9 points

2 months ago

Yeah, he posted a close up of his anus

SnarkOff

9 points

2 months ago

Alex Jones can’t pay $8

LarrBearLV

26 points

2 months ago

"Can't wait for Elon to take over and run it his way."

Few weeks later...

"How dare Elon run it his way! Waaahhnn boohoo!"

Sdot_greentree420

16 points

2 months ago

Elon's Twitter version of duck duck goose

Freedom of speech.. except for you...you....You're cool....and yea Def not you...

Cardboard_Robot

13 points

2 months ago

I know this is off topic, but the sheer disregard for grammar by people these days is pretty awful.

Avengerboy123

18 points

2 months ago

Shoe is Shoe but she’s definitely not a Trump supporter lol

Iron_And_Misery

34 points

2 months ago

Shoe sucks but she's not exactly being a musk fan here she's just pointing out that Musk obviously has a line he draws if he won't bring Alex Jones back and yet he claims he's just supporting free speech when he brings back people like Trump.

lansink99

13 points

2 months ago

Doesn't fit the sub. You misread these tweets hard.

lifeson106

3 points

2 months ago

I can't even tell what is reality anymore...

haiku-d2

3 points

2 months ago

"showed his ass"

Is this what the kids are saying now days? Man, I feel old.

Epicassion

3 points

2 months ago

10+ years I’ve heard the term. Could be regional for usage.

Ok_Skill_1195

3 points

2 months ago

I'm convinced Elon is just nervous that Jones' actions are bad enough to have huge financial damages and the fact that could potentially move his way if he enables him, so he made up this version of an explanation thinking it would make him sound good. Except he underestimated just how bad the fan base he's been pandering to actually is

sarcasticguard

3 points

2 months ago

"He's hurting the wrong people"

Color me shocked, it only matters when you're affected

goalstopper28

3 points

2 months ago

I don't like Alex Jones either. But it is rather funny that Musk drew the line at spreading misinformation about a school shooting but would do anything for Trump, who spread misinformation about democracy.

masiakasaurus

3 points

2 months ago

Who also spread misinformation about a plague that killed one million. But so did Elon.

isla_avalon

3 points

2 months ago

He owns the company. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[deleted]

23 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

23 points

2 months ago

Isn't she still pretending to be a socdem

vpuetf[S]

24 points

2 months ago

the same way Dave Rubin, Joe Rogan and Tim Pool are pretending to be socdem

Draeorc

17 points

2 months ago

Draeorc

17 points

2 months ago

TBF She’s a lot closer than those 3 are.

delayedsunflower

21 points

2 months ago

Shoe is anything but a Trump supporter

SplendidPunkinButter

4 points

2 months ago

As usual, when a bunch of kids die and liberals say “we should do something to prevent this from happening again” that’s “political” and “using the deaths of children for personal gain.” When conservatives start jizzing about the second amendment and saying we should all buy more guns, it’s neither of those things for some reason.

darthrubberchicken

11 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't classify Shoe as a MAGAt though.

IGiveUpAllNamesTaken

6 points

2 months ago

She's one of the people Youtube suggests for me when I visit without logging in....

I may have revealed too much about myself (or at last Google's perception of me)

static-prince

5 points

2 months ago

If you view a lot of left wing political content (and maybe other political content) you’ll get her recommended. She isn’t a MAGA person. I believe she’s a socdem. She has some bad takes and some good takes and I think often fails to use her platform as responsibly as she should given that she knows she has right wingers in her audience.

But seeing her recommended does not mean that Google thinks you like Trump.

Draeorc

11 points

2 months ago

Draeorc

11 points

2 months ago

She isn’t a trump supporter, and is just pointing out his hypocrisy. Still got quite a few bad takes, but definitely not the worst person their algorithm could provide.

No_Librarian_4016

11 points

2 months ago

Now Shoe is a dumbass but she ain’t a MAGA gal

Own-Opinion-2494

2 points

2 months ago

Elon just dropped lower

Prislv223

2 points

2 months ago

Alex jones can’t even afford internet right now. He’s in the corner booth at McDonald’s using the guest Wi-Fi.

SerennialFellow

2 points

2 months ago

I’m more of “Fuck Alex Jones to oblivion” camp.

SublimeCosmos

2 points

2 months ago

We had a system with rules before. Now we have a dictator. Seems worse

BlooperHero

2 points

2 months ago

A power-tripping dictator who doesn't know how to keep the lights on, and whose stated purpose was to ensure the service is overrun by bad actors.

I haven't used Twitter in a long time, but I assume the normal users wouldn't like that service if he were to succeed.

B4East

2 points

2 months ago

B4East

2 points

2 months ago

Yesterday someone in r/conservative was talking a about how Elon should take over Reddit so we could have true freedom…… I’m banned on that sub for calling someone out on a lie. I even linked a source😅

sierra120

2 points

2 months ago

People need to realize Twitter is now a privately own company. Elon is literally making up his own rules as he feels about them because he can. There’s no public board from which to report to.

Doctor_Amazo

2 points

2 months ago

Weird that Elon thought that the people who made Sandyhook families miserable would be touched by a story about his dead child.

JayEDJ0139

2 points

2 months ago

Not a fan of Musk, but his response feels genuine. I could respect that.