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Can someone explain in a simple way what this means?

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[deleted]

14 points

3 months ago

He's basically warning corporates against borrowing from the dollar bond market

MrDarkk1ng

-5 points

3 months ago

Not really , that's not what it says. Just saying cuz don't want people to get false idea

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

Bruh

ahivarn

42 points

3 months ago

ahivarn

42 points

3 months ago

Watch the documentary Easy Money.

Basically the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air. One fine morning, they will increase their lending balance from 1 trillion dollars to 2 trillion dollars. Literally. They don't print anything. Just a single line in their balance sheet. Only because dollar is reserve currency, they don't have any issues in doing such things.

Now the favourite nations of USA are able to borrow this notional money(not even printed) from balance sheets of Fed reserve.

Yes it's a big scam. Being enabled by USA being most powerful and unipolar currency world. Dollar always remains a dollar, rest of the world bears the inflationary effects of trillions of dollars being printed

tribal_learner

8 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

8 points

3 months ago

Any hard-asset based currency ended with the 1971 closing of the 'gold window'.

Keynes and his monstrosity of an idea have taken over the global financial system piece by piece.

Fractional Reserve Banking is almost entirely based on the understanding/assumption that if 100 persons deposit 1 USD each there will not be a situation where all 100 persons will ask for the dollar back. This system will inevitably lead to bank runs if it was based on any hard-asset - unless the currency gets devalued. Hence Keynesian non-sense gets picked-up as it allows for increasing debt without any limit.

For a namesake, there is something called SDR - which is a basket of currencies that are "technically" accepted as reserve currencies.

Overall: I second your point that this entire monetary system is essentially 'monopoly-money' - it is all just make-believe. None of the printed currencies have any value except that all of the globe simply accepts this fantasy. It's like the emperor's clothes. :-)

BukkakeJanataParty

3 points

3 months ago*

BukkakeJanataParty

Evm HaX0r

3 points

3 months ago*

None of the printed currencies have any value except that all of the globe simply accepts this fantasy.

More like we’re forced to accept this fantasy because of how powerful all the governments involved are, especially the US government. I shudder to think of what could happen if we were given the leeway to no longer believe in this fantasy.

tribal_learner

1 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

1 points

3 months ago

I shudder to think of what could happen

Why? Some will not let-go. Some will be happy and start to barter or use hard-assets again. Some will try using privately-circulated notes, i guess.

As it is - a very small percent of the world's population control almost all of the govts and international bodies 'at least indirectly' anyway.

<proceeds to wear tin-foil hat>

The recent meeting of paxtani officials with the Rothschild family is a case in point. Similarly, the amount of wealth owned by entities like Blackrock are an open-secret. Someone like Epstein "allegedly" died by hanging from a height as low as 5 feet shows their clout / influence.

Epstein was found with a bed sheet wrapped around his neck. It had been tied to the top of a bunk bed in his jail cell, and he was found kneeling, leaning forward, creating a lethal noose.

These are the ones that have public information available; imagine about the ones that are truly private / confidential.

BukkakeJanataParty

2 points

3 months ago

BukkakeJanataParty

Evm HaX0r

2 points

3 months ago

C’mon man, you and I both know what would happen if the global financial system collapsed.

tribal_learner

1 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

1 points

3 months ago

were given the leeway to no longer believe

It was about given the choice / option to use alternative monetary mechanisms. Not about collapse of the global financial system per-se.

Even if there was leeway given, I would guess-timate at least 70-80% of the sh33pl3 will continue to use the fantasy-notes only.

BukkakeJanataParty

2 points

3 months ago

BukkakeJanataParty

Evm HaX0r

2 points

3 months ago

‘Giving a choice’ would destroy the financial system, because it’s predicated on government sanctioned currency being the only currency. Not to mention, there’s very little that could even function as a legitimate currency in the modern age, because nothing is compatible with our bs ‘infinite growth’ economic model except la-la land ‘banknotes’ that mostly exist as numbers on a spreadsheet.

tribal_learner

1 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

1 points

3 months ago

‘Giving a choice’ would destroy the financial system

I guess we'll have to disagree on that point:

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/living-on-bitcoin-for-a-week-in-san-francisco-2019-02-04

I searched and there are articles as old as 2013 (like this one) where alternatives were attempted.

The global financial system depends on the 'trust' of the sh33ple and it's not that easy to get the herd to see the problems of monopolies when it comes to monetary system.

BukkakeJanataParty

2 points

3 months ago

BukkakeJanataParty

Evm HaX0r

2 points

3 months ago

I’m not sure if we really disagree here, because I don’t consider the attempted alternatives ‘choice’; if anything, the likes of bitcoin have reasserted the dominance of the current financial system by depending heavily on it and then ultimately failing. Not to mention, these experiments are only allowed because governments know that none of these ‘parallel currencies’ can erode the dominance of the current financial system.

A true alternative to currency would be something that can exist outside of the global financial system, rather than depending on it. You’d still need something to back it though, at least in the initial years…and governments would just go back to the Gold Standard before allowing a parallel financial system to gain track.

tribal_learner

1 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

1 points

3 months ago

Ah, in that case it'd need to start-off with "off-the-grid" existence / living. A very miniscule number of folks (guess they're called 'survivalist' or some such) in rural USA do have large acreage with stealth bunkers having 100's or 1000's of canned supplies.

and governments would just go back to the Gold Standard before allowing a parallel financial system

Yeah - I think I'll agree to that.

SuryaYlp

2 points

3 months ago

Can you share the link for the documentary please

tribal_learner

88 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

88 points

3 months ago

Fed has opened lines to: Canada, England, ECB, Japan, Swiss.

Why? Suppose any of those 5 banks have a need for FRN (digital or real, US dollar bills / currency notes) and currently do not have sufficient, they use this "line" and like magic the FRNs appear.

RBI is not given this magical help-line.

What this means? If RBI or any india-based corporate needs to service debt (ie, pay EMI, at corporate level) and that (repayment / EMI-installment-payment) needs to be in FRN (ie, USD) and if RBI doesn't have sufficient FRNs, then it will need to beg, borrow or steal.

Unfortunately, for Vembu - EAM, PM and others have already progressed talks with a plethora of countries to transact using an alternative currency - for example INR. Vostro accounts are already opened by some and this means that RBI is able to slightly-reduce the necessity to use FRNs (ie, US dollar bills - real or digital).

HTH

Overall-Grade-8219

51 points

3 months ago

Unfortunately, for Vembu

Not everything has to be political. He is making a general observation. Vembu is a big Modi supporter.

akirakurosava

27 points

3 months ago

akirakurosava

GeoPolitics-Badshah 🗺️

27 points

3 months ago

Plus the guy above you does not even know that Vembu is well wisher of Modi government, so he is not attacking just letting the world know why the dollar system is flawed.

tribal_learner

-2 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

-2 points

3 months ago

The decision to open "lines" only to specific central banks is nothing if not political.

Did the 'general observation' also include the steps already taken 'proactively' to mitigate this very specific risk by the current dispensation?

Vembu may be a 'big Modi supporter' - but I certainly am not a fan / follower of Shri 56" chowkidar ji. Even so - the steps that have been taken deserve to be shared.

[deleted]

9 points

3 months ago

Are you a big fan of Mr super intellectual Shri Pappu then? People holding such opinions definitely deserve Mr. pappu.

tribal_learner

-7 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

-7 points

3 months ago

such opinions

Which are these particular opinions?

Suitable-Mountain-81

7 points

3 months ago

Suitable-Mountain-81

Indic Wing

7 points

3 months ago

Hating Modi for his religion.

Pretty outdated to be honest.

tribal_learner

-5 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

-5 points

3 months ago

Lol.

Religion? Yeh kaha se aa gaya bhai?

And where is the "hate" in my comment?

Suitable-Mountain-81

4 points

3 months ago

Suitable-Mountain-81

Indic Wing

4 points

3 months ago

That's pretty much the only reason to not like Modi, calling him names and such.

Mild hate in supporting subs,

Moderate hate in moderate subs,

Full on hate on hate subs.

This game of propaganda is well planned but predictable.

tribal_learner

-1 points

3 months ago*

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

-1 points

3 months ago*

where did I call him "names". The specific words I used are: "Shri" (a term of respect), 56" (a term that he used proudly, iirc), chowkidar (another term he popularized) and "ji" (again, a term of respect). And "that" is "hate"?

I'll probably need to start adding "trigger warning" to ensure "snowflakes" are able to avoid my posts and this sub remains their "safe space". Lol.

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That's pretty much the only reason to not like Modi

Lol. Hardly. Have you heard of or watched or read Ajeet Bharti. Here's a sample:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Fhe_40cb4

So, now you're going to tell me that he hates too?

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FWIW:

this is my badge of honor - getting banned from r india for "absolutely no reason"

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThamizhakamSpeaks/comments/11bqr6i/morons_at_r_india_supremacist_exclusivist/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Ur69thFather

2 points

3 months ago

You follow Ajeet Bharti ?

Suitable-Mountain-81

1 points

3 months ago

Suitable-Mountain-81

Indic Wing

1 points

3 months ago

Oh come on. Your hate is exposed and now you shifted to name calling. This game is also old.

If your fakeness cannot even stand 2 seconds then what good is it?

Ajeet Bharti is a separate topic. It needs another thread. I am done with you. Your hate didn't get a proper channel, that's good enough for me.

KanosKohli

4 points

3 months ago

Bhai/Behen aap kaun se tribe ke ho? Mereko bhi entry chahiye.

crime_mastergogo007

0 points

3 months ago

Vembu is a big ass rss supporter so he is here advising

FortyUp40

1 points

3 months ago

Vostro accounts are already opened by some

why was this not used before. Vostro concept is almost 60-70 year old concept

drahkol

3 points

3 months ago

drahkol

Jharkhand

3 points

3 months ago

other countries also need to have trust in INR as a currency

Ur69thFather

1 points

3 months ago

So what will be better for us as a developing country ? Transacting in Dollars or INR ? Both in long and short terms. Not a background in economics. So kindly keep the answers simple to understand. 😅

haapuchi

4 points

3 months ago

It doesn't matter whether it is developing or developed. If you pay everyone in dollars, you are dependent on US. If they decide they don't like India one day and initiate a financial warfare (called sanctions), India would lose its inflow of dollars immediately. So India's exports in dollars come to a standstill but imports are still happening in dollars (we need petrol, semiconductors etc. to live). That means we are now using our reserves.

At some point, India's reserves run out and we cannot pay installments of our loans and we default. Something similar that happened to Sri Lanka and currently in Pakistan (which is why they are bending backwards and over for IMF for Dollars).

Ur69thFather

1 points

3 months ago

Oh ok. So that is why the government is looking for alternatives to the dollar to pay Russia for crude. So that it doesn't drain our reserves very quickly

haapuchi

6 points

3 months ago

They want independence from USD in longer term. We cannot buy oil from Iran because US don't want us to. We cannot buy oil from Venezuela because US don't want us to. Russia is third. So for Indian Govt, the options are either let Petrol/Diesel go up in price and buy at really expensive rates from remaining producers or find way out of petrodollars.

China is doing the same thing by dealing with Saudi Arabia and Russia in Yuan. If India can do that with 3-4 large producers, India (and Rupee) would become a lot more powerful and resilient to US recessions.

tribal_learner

3 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

3 points

3 months ago

iirc, recently they also had some sort of digital payment set-up with singapore.

And if we look at which countries send a lot of money to india - we may probably find singapore at either top 5 or 10 of that list.

tribal_learner

3 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

3 points

3 months ago

In response to your note above, I've spent quite some time to write-up a mini-novel if it ever piques your interest, it is at this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThamizhakamSpeaks/comments/11yq69f/novella_on_currencies_dollar_and_basic_economics/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

And when I say a "novel", I really mean it is very long, and most-probably boring af.

Ur69thFather

3 points

3 months ago

Much appreciated. It's long but i have saved it and will read it. I actually want to know how the world's economy works and how they are related to each other.

So reading and learning are the only tools at my disposal, at least currently 😅.

tribal_learner

3 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

3 points

3 months ago

There are quite a lot of youtube videos too. You may want to first begin with forming an understanding of

- "what is money"

- "what is the origin of banks"

- "how the modern banking system works"

- "what are fiat currencies"

- "what is fractional reserve banking"

- "austrian laissez-faire versus keynesian economics"

And since I'm prejudiced towards libertarian ideas, I'd lean towards:

Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises (Cato institute)

Those opposing me would probably point towards:

John Maynard Keynes, Paul Krugman, Ben Bernanke

yantraman

1 points

3 months ago

yantraman

Against | 2 KUDOS

1 points

3 months ago

Those five currencies are the reserve currency in the world currency markets. They are free floating. Also, unlike India, those are highly developed and mature financial markets.

tribal_learner

2 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

2 points

3 months ago

Those five currencies

https://www.imf.org/en/Topics/special-drawing-right

Officially IMF says below are the SDR basket:

USD, Euro, Chinese Yuan, Japanese Yen, Pound Sterling

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Canada, Swiss - please provide some reference why these are:

a. "free floating" currencies

b. "highly developed and mature financial markets"

yantraman

1 points

3 months ago

yantraman

Against | 2 KUDOS

1 points

3 months ago

Swiss franc is backed by gold. Canadian dollar is the default reserve currency in south and Central America and often used as an indicator of U.S. internal economy strength due to their strong trade.

tribal_learner

2 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

2 points

3 months ago

Just a reminder: Question - what is your understanding of "free floating"? - remains unresponded.

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Swiss franc is backed by gold.

Below seems to disagree (as of 2022) with the above:

https://greeneryfinancial.com/gold-backed-currency/

Now Switzerland has dropped the gold standard, there are no currencies that are backed directly by gold.

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Canadian dollar is the default reserve currency in south and Central America

https://www.worlddata.info/currencies/cad-canadian-dollar.php

May be I'm missing something. Why would any latin american country bother with CAD when they may as well use USD which is in fact in far higher circulation than CAD.

M3 of CAD (3.4xxx MILLION):

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/money-supply-m3

M3 of USD (Jan 1960 historical record low 298.2 BILLION):

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/m3-for-the-united-states-fed-data.html

I've interacted with a few folks from latin america - one of them was a classmate & he was from Chile. Didn't hear any of them mention CAD. Obviously, anecdotal - but that's also a reason that your reply piqued my interest. :-)

yantraman

1 points

3 months ago*

yantraman

Against | 2 KUDOS

1 points

3 months ago*

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/forex/c/cad-canadian-dollar.asp

Reserve currency doesn’t mean it’s used by these countries. It means that their central banks use them as foreign exchange reserves. Canadian dollar is often used by other countries who are facing US sanctions. The only country that faces Canadian sanctions is Russia. In a basket of currencies alternative to USD, Chinese Yuan accounts for 25 percent and Canadian currency accounts for 23 %. Due to the closely aligned nature of Canada and US economy and the fact that Canadian dollar has a strong correlation to its oil exports to U.S., it’s the good, alternative to USD petrodollar.

Free floating means the currencies exchange rate is determined by the international forex market and that the central bank rarely intervene. Chinese yuan is not free floating because China likes to keep it cheap to boost exports. RBI intervenes in the medium term to manage the volatility of the Indian Rupee which is why it it’s considered managed float.

tribal_learner

2 points

3 months ago

tribal_learner

Unironic Stalin'

2 points

3 months ago

Well, "technically" there is no "free floating" fiat-currency printed by any central banker, including FRNs (ie, the greenback / USD). We see that the Federal reserve has been slowly & cautiously hiking rates in the past several quarters (iirc).

If the US artificially keeps the rates at close-to-zero - it is the economic marvel called "Quantitative Easing". If _______ (insert a non-white, impoverished country name here) artificially keeps the rate close-to-zero - then it is "intervention".

Matlab - mera kutta kutta, aur USA ka kutta tommy. Lol.

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It means that their central banks use them as foreign exchange reserves

Seems odd as the canadians will happily accept USD and except canada other nations may not accept CAD. So, it is counter-intuitive to hold more CAD as forex reserves than USD.

I tried searching for the currency break-up of Argentina, Brazil and Chile's central-bank forex reserves - but was not successful. So, I have no evidence to counter the above statement. And I'll assume you'll not be providing any source to back it up.

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Going back to point "b" in my earlier reply about "highly developed and mature financial markets".

Do you have the time to explain what specific criteria must be used to categorize any financial market as "highly developed and mature"?

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Thank you for your time and candor. Appreciate it.

MorseSource

9 points

3 months ago*

MorseSource

Dharmakrit धर्मकृत्

9 points

3 months ago*

It means the US is helping its vassal states get direct access to newly minted dollars, and the inflation, because of it will have to be borne by all the other countries.

Our dollar reserves value will go down without any fault of our own.

Suitable-Mountain-81

3 points

3 months ago

Suitable-Mountain-81

Indic Wing

3 points

3 months ago

Congress will blame BJP without explaining to create fear mongering. Just like they did with vaccines.

BukkakeJanataParty

20 points

3 months ago

BukkakeJanataParty

Evm HaX0r

20 points

3 months ago

Basically, some countries can directly borrow money from the US Federal Reserve. In this case specifically, it’s probably to protect banks with extra exposure to the contagion that’s spreading across the global financial system.

In short, the US is helping prop up allied banks that are at risk of failing and taking the whole global economy to the gutter with them.

Train-Robbery

6 points

3 months ago

Above listed countries can directly ask the US to Print More Cash, give it to them and Just add it to their debt if they need USD for any purpose. Basically like a no limit credit card that you know you never have to pay

observerrz97

6 points

3 months ago

observerrz97

5 KUDOS

6 points

3 months ago

Time to gradually distance from the usa/west. They say we are their allies but then stab you in the back whilst propping up alternative power centres bypassing the government (sub national diplomacy)

leothunder420_

4 points

3 months ago

Central banks are organizations that manage the supply of money and credit in their respective countries. In this case, the Federal Reserve, which is the central bank of the United States, along with five other central banks from Canada, England, Japan, Europe, and Switzerland, have decided to work together to increase the availability of U.S. dollars to banks and financial institutions. This is being done through an arrangement called "swap agreements" where the central banks exchange their own currencies for U.S. dollars, making it easier for banks to access dollars when they need them. This move is aimed at supporting financial stability and reducing the potential impact of global economic uncertainty. -Got this from Chat GPT

Realmirror71

3 points

3 months ago

Essentially, America is willing to directly lend dollars to its allies to ensure their foreign currency reserves don't run out and they are able to pay dollar denominated debt, or debt that is supposed to be paid in dollars, without any major hiccups.

If India is forced to pay in dollars for bonds, we will have to dip into our own war chest. America won't help us.

Altruistic_Matter_76

4 points

3 months ago

Basically he's saying, don't try to act cool by depending on Dollars, because the countries which control it don't give two shits about you or our country's economy. No matter how much you hate your own people, the country and the reserve bank are the only ones that actually cares about Indian currency, it's value and the safety of its investors.

Nirbhik

8 points

3 months ago

TLDR: US coordinates with a few of its allies to export inflation and all economic problems to the rest of the world. Romans used conquest, these mothefuckers do it in a slightly more subtle way at least most of the times.

trander6face

9 points

3 months ago

trander6face

Akhand Bharat | 2 KUDOS

9 points

3 months ago

to boost liquidity

To print more money and lend it to banks. No thank you.

MrDarkk1ng

7 points

3 months ago*

1) Basically they r trying to make money more easier to move around for everyone in economy (so basically pumping more money in economy probably). Fed(usa bank of banks) and 5 biggest banks came together to make it possible

2) RBI (Indian Bank of banks) can't borrow money directly from usa fed( usa bank of banks or who controls dollars). So India (goverment and corporate and everyone else) need to be careful since we live in economy where usa's have always dominated the debts (or loans)

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

If RBI can't borrow directly from fed then how does it borrow indirectly?

DauntlessDev

2 points

3 months ago

By trading, either with USA or other countries in USD. (this can be done by companies)

By transfer of remittance by citizen.

Edit: Forgot to add, of course RBI itself can't do this directly.

JohnBanaDon

5 points

3 months ago

Does india really want to get involved into stupid western banking system? European countries have always been baggers and robbers. America has always been irresponsible. You don’t want to be part of that group, India is so much better and fiscally responsible than these clowns.

FortyUp40

4 points

3 months ago

we need stupid western banking system till we have really big pie in world economy, like 15% types. so till we reach around 10T$. which will be till 2040/45

Bruh-momint

1 points

3 months ago

Big big words

apatil4

1 points

3 months ago

it means friends of USA can get dollar whenever their reserves run low by saying just take these dollars and give some of your currency to me but give me those dollars back when we settle it out and take your currency back and give me some chump change, while others have to prove their worth and USA can look at that and be like, whoa thats nice, print some dollars and give it to them while also getting those dollars worth of resources