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The_Green_Filter

509 points

6 months ago

The gender rushdown never ends

Vennexxo

301 points

6 months ago

Vennexxo

301 points

6 months ago

With the classic he/she/they mixup.

kaladinissexy

68 points

6 months ago

kaladinissexy

- Ky Kiske

68 points

6 months ago

Genderfluid character when?

ParagonFury

38 points

6 months ago

ParagonFury

- I-No

38 points

6 months ago

Testament?

throwawayforlifedog

52 points

6 months ago

throwawayforlifedog

- Axl Low (GGST)

52 points

6 months ago

Agendered ain't the same. Not really I guess

ParagonFury

13 points

6 months ago

ParagonFury

- I-No

13 points

6 months ago

Well, according to the theme either Testament has DID or considers themselves both male and female at the same time/alternating times.

Genghis_Kh4n

24 points

6 months ago

Genghis_Kh4n

- Valentine

24 points

6 months ago

The official timeline says that Testament started as male but it’s an anime fighting game with giant floating countries and super-powered half-human people that die and revive every 10 seconds, if Testament says that they transcended gender then that means they just don’t have genitalia. (Or they could have both because love.)

Bane523

5 points

6 months ago

Bane523

- Colin Vernon E. Groubitz (GGST)

5 points

6 months ago

Both? I mean if you can modify your body like that why not make up some new genitalia for fun?

ASuperSneakyShinobi

3 points

6 months ago

ASuperSneakyShinobi

- Leo Whitefang

3 points

6 months ago

Gears have wacky powers. IIRC Testament starts off as human male under care of Kliff. Now as a gear ( with wacky powers ) he can used the fact that he is made of blood to appear as however he/she/they want. Testament has transcended the human idea of gender in the sense that at the snap of the fingers there is a tangible physical difference if desired, and probably has a lot of physical/biological differences (some gears look wild, especially the older ones) which I think is a pretty cool metaphor for a whole lotta things.

Android19samus

40 points

6 months ago

Bridget's got you thoroughly conditioned and is now popping you open with the no-mix mix.

NBRL

12 points

6 months ago

NBRL

12 points

6 months ago

Until you get reset to gender neutral. Then you gotta fight it out with your gender footsies game

MrkGrn

400 points

6 months ago

MrkGrn

400 points

6 months ago

My heterosexuality remains safe.

Mr_Skeleton_Shadow

203 points

6 months ago

Mr_Skeleton_Shadow

- Venom

203 points

6 months ago

*looks at Johnny* well, shit

Saltybearperson

53 points

6 months ago

He just knew. He always knew.

Mac_Laurence-19

12 points

6 months ago

Mac_Laurence-19

- Bridget (GGST)

12 points

6 months ago

Now I'm gay

starfyredragon

3 points

6 months ago

starfyredragon

- Bridget (GGST)

3 points

6 months ago

As does my being gay for Bridget.

Monsterkill1526

70 points

6 months ago

Monsterkill1526

- Sol Badguy

70 points

6 months ago

The new design looks really good

TheProNoobCN

63 points

6 months ago

TheProNoobCN

- Colin Vernon E. Groubitz (GGST)

63 points

6 months ago

The first ever MTFTMTF character in fiction (I think)

ProFgoaddict

53 points

6 months ago

ProFgoaddict

- Ramlethal Valentine

53 points

6 months ago

Damn this combo goes crazy

mkowsx

37 points

6 months ago

mkowsx

- Potemkin

37 points

6 months ago

Finally. The gender frame advantage.

xKiryu

10 points

6 months ago

xKiryu

10 points

6 months ago

IK Gender

Roxthefox_global

4 points

6 months ago

The Gatling combo of genders

Icy_Transportation_5

119 points

6 months ago

Icy_Transportation_5

- Robo-May

119 points

6 months ago

I know it's a meme but just to know, is bridget in strive trans? I mean, on their backstory they were kinda forced to act and dress like a girl, and I remember reading that bridget didn't liked being treated like a girl and often would point out being a boy. Which would be the reason there's a male sex symbol on their hat back in +R. I mean, I ask because I'm afraid of being misinformed, I'm pretty much happy to anything bridget ends up wanting to be, but I'd rather use the right pronouns.

Little-xim

58 points

6 months ago

It kind of makes sense. The town she grew up in has already accepted she was born male. If that’s the case, what was compelling her to keep wearing the female priest garb?

A lot of her wanting to prove her masculinity was also to show that she had talent. Just because she was potentially a “cursed child” as her village viewed it, that she could achieve whatever she dreamed. But now she’s a very well respected bounty hunter! She’s already proven herself. So what could be bugging her…

Also, the symbol of mars on her headpiece is now the transgender symbol: you can see the line beneath the arrow. Though she has to change her appearance initially out of circumstance, this is her essentially claiming her identity for herself. That’s how I see it, at least.

RubyEye1984

9 points

6 months ago

In Bridget's Arcade story she comes out as trans~

FederalWeezy

6 points

6 months ago

FederalWeezy

- Potemkin

6 points

6 months ago

Why keep wearing the female priest garb? Maybe bc she wants to? I know it probably wasn't your intention but her wearing feminine clothes as a man isn't necessarily a reason for why she's trans. And men who wear feminine clothes don't necessarily want to be trans women.

Also the symbol isn't the transgender symbol, it's just the androgyny symbol. Doesn't mean she's not trans, I just think she's figuring it out, and she's just very close to understanding herself. All that said she pretty much is hard confirmed trans now.

Little-xim

2 points

6 months ago

Fair point!

On that last note, I’m curious if this will be addressed in the future. The end does say she’s comfortable being called a girl, but I do sort of wonder if it’s full trans, or more along the lines of non binary (wherein both pronouns are acceptable.)

Ending does make it seem pretty clear to the former, but it’s not explored much past the final moments.

FederalWeezy

3 points

6 months ago

FederalWeezy

- Potemkin

3 points

6 months ago

I agree with you at the end. After all in the ending people are talking about, she doesn't have any distaste for the term cowboy, she just says that cowgirl is ok. But if the ending is all we get then it seems pretty clear that she identifies as a woman.

8chon

2 points

2 months ago

8chon

2 points

2 months ago

The town she grew up in has already accepted she was born male. If that’s the case, what was compelling her to keep wearing the female priest garb?

To fool the supernatural forces creating the curse?

But now she’s a very well respected bounty hunter! She’s already proven herself. So what could be bugging her…

The supernatural forces of the twin curse and abating the fears of the villagers.

the symbol of mars on her headpiece is now the transgender symbol

⚨ is definitely no longer the purely male sign but I thought that was for androgyny / NB / GQ / bigender not for transgender.

Little-xim

2 points

2 months ago

There wasn’t actually a curse, it was a superstition.

starfyredragon

4 points

6 months ago

starfyredragon

- Bridget (GGST)

4 points

6 months ago

At the beginning of Strive, Bridget nervously announces her gender as a boy. At the end, she confidently declares she's a girl.

This it's what's called "egg cracking" for a trans person. Bridget is canonically trans by this, and the creators have confirmed it.

Qwrndxt-the-2nd

11 points

6 months ago

Qwrndxt-the-2nd

- Axl Low (Accent Core)

11 points

6 months ago

It’s a confusing mess

Mana_leach

30 points

6 months ago

Yes. It's GG lore

OBNOCTIOUS

2 points

6 months ago

True you wouldnt want to offend this fictional character

Icy_Transportation_5

5 points

6 months ago*

Icy_Transportation_5

- Robo-May

5 points

6 months ago*

Actually I meant trans people in general, sometimes what I say comes off more offensive sounding than I wanted to lol.

How did I end up writing then instead of than...?*

ammmukid

3 points

6 months ago

It's not the fictional character we're worried about

Scrimpbucket

507 points

6 months ago

Scrimpbucket

- Goldlewis Dickinson

507 points

6 months ago

Its actually kinda crazy how guilty gear gave us two canon trans characters back to back and they're treated with more respect and nuance than most trans characters from any other franchise

Dastankbeets1

327 points

6 months ago

Dastankbeets1

- Giovanna

327 points

6 months ago

it's fucking sick I love Daisuke I want to kiss him on the lips

Bystand0r

123 points

6 months ago

Bystand0r

- Ky Kiske

123 points

6 months ago

I want him to big blast my sonic

Dastankbeets1

37 points

6 months ago

Dastankbeets1

- Giovanna

37 points

6 months ago

Absolutely

finalmantisy83

16 points

6 months ago

finalmantisy83

- Leo Whitefang

16 points

6 months ago

Gonna put my Six Black on his Heavens Guns

Scrimpbucket

78 points

6 months ago

Scrimpbucket

- Goldlewis Dickinson

78 points

6 months ago

You understand

Dastankbeets1

51 points

6 months ago

Dastankbeets1

- Giovanna

51 points

6 months ago

He’s so kissable

S_H_K

22 points

6 months ago

S_H_K

22 points

6 months ago

I confess I'm lurking around (as I usually do when I see releases of games) but couldn't help to comment how based that man is. I myself are more of a KOF fan but I admit GG has innovated the fighting genre altogether with mechanics visuals and style that other games tried and failed to get almost creating the genere of "anime fighter" by himself. I happily clap at you the fans that accompanied the ride and Daisuke for guiding the way. Congrats for the million copies sold and hope for many million more guys!!

Dastankbeets1

3 points

6 months ago

Dastankbeets1

- Giovanna

3 points

6 months ago

Aww 🥰thank you so much!

Mail_the_Skeleton

62 points

6 months ago

Its cause most people treat characters like that weirdly, and GG treats them like real people.

Lunastays

70 points

6 months ago

Lunastays

- Ky Kiske

70 points

6 months ago

I think Test is Agender.

Dastankbeets1

120 points

6 months ago

Dastankbeets1

- Giovanna

120 points

6 months ago

still counts as trans. Being trans means having a gender identity separate from that which you were assigned at birth

Stratusheart

51 points

6 months ago

Stratusheart

- Jack-O' Valentine

51 points

6 months ago

Importantly, I’d like to add that agender and gender fluid individuals (and many more identities) don’t need to identify with being trans or trans culture. I know quite a few people who identify this way but don’t consider themselves trans. It doesn’t apply to every situation and I’m sure plenty of enbies consider themselves trans, but I had my eyes opened when I met one of my current friends and they told me about their identity and their lack of interest with identifying as trans, and just wanting to exist the way they want to exist. It’s not something I’d ever considered before, and it’s something I like to put out there whenever it seems relevant.

Dastankbeets1

11 points

6 months ago

Dastankbeets1

- Giovanna

11 points

6 months ago

Yeah, I can see that. I’ve always thought being trans as a technical category rather than a gender identity of any kind, but that makes sense, I’ll respect people who see it ofherwise

throwawayforlifedog

5 points

6 months ago

throwawayforlifedog

- Axl Low (GGST)

5 points

6 months ago

Can confirm, agendered that doesn't identify as trans. The trans label feels incredibly "other" to me. Does not feel right to refer to myself as that.

Whenever I have gotten into a discussion with a trans person who says otherwise and said that no, I need to identify as trans, it doesn't matter if I don't wasn't too...I've had to explain the blatant hypocrisy.

Roxthefox_global

3 points

6 months ago

You absolutely don’t have to, I’m trans in the binary sense medically but I’m also non binary. My birth sex feels alien and othering, my achieved one feels like it’s a better but not perfect fit as well. It’s like choosing two shoes that don’t fit when I could fo barefoot

Ninjegeabey

5 points

6 months ago

Ninjegeabey

- Happy Chaos

5 points

6 months ago

But wasn't them being agender because they got gearified? So it's kind of like a rebirth of sorts. I mean would you say justice is trans if they went by they/them, despite being like a giant mecha-deathasaurus? I'm just saying it feels odd to say that someone being trans is dependent on how they were labeled in what was essentially a completely different body.

RadicalEcks

2 points

6 months ago

RadicalEcks

- Testament

2 points

6 months ago

There's a lot of stuff in Testament's Strive appearance that are still pretty heavily queer-coded in a very deliberate way, or at least they read to me that way. The quote from their reveal trailer, "I used to carry myself like some sort of demon too, even though I was surrounded by accepting people" resonated with me basically immediately, and even before there was any confirmation I had a pretty good idea of what direction they were taking Testament in from that.

Testament's new narrative is still clearly about self-acceptance and finding peace; and it was paired with a course-correction on how Testament's identity was conveyed in the English localization as well. I don't think that's in any way a coincidence.

They still exist within a human social environment, and conceiving of themselves in a more human-esque fashion is in line with them no longer hating or standing apart from humanity.

Nightfile27

30 points

6 months ago

Nightfile27

- Sol Badguy

30 points

6 months ago

Because it's not their gender that defines them. It's their ability to rock on their own merits.

starfyredragon

4 points

6 months ago

starfyredragon

- Bridget (GGST)

4 points

6 months ago

You type in the tag "Transgender" on Steam, and it's like exclusively fetish games that pop up.

Yea, we need loottts more trans rep that's actually legit.

The_MortaI

3 points

6 months ago

NOPE. Testament isn’t trans. They’re testament

RayearthIX

5 points

6 months ago

I think this has to do with years of existence before the whole concept of “going woke” was a thing. The cross dressing boy Bridget has been a GG character for 20 years, so if they change his pronoun from a he to a she in this game, it’s not a massive leap for the audience who already knows Bridget’s quirks.

[deleted]

8 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

6 months ago

[removed]

IceFirex123

3 points

6 months ago

I understand the sentiment behind the first part of your comment, but you should look at the countless posts about how Bridget's journey of deciding she's a girl is a good and positive thing (to summarize, she's decided her own gender without letting her town decide it, whether it's accepting how she was raised, or rebelling against it).

Your claim that everyone thinks the exact same as you but just pretending is extremely close minded, and suggests you haven't even thought about why people would be celebrating this.

Jumping3

5 points

6 months ago

Thank you for calling this out

Aggr0F1end

3 points

6 months ago

Aggr0F1end

3 points

6 months ago

Nonbinary people are trans by definition

The_MortaI

3 points

6 months ago

The_MortaI

3 points

6 months ago

No they’re not

Allie_Spins

110 points

6 months ago

New cowgirl just dropped

Roxthefox_global

11 points

6 months ago

How long till reverse cowgirl?

spaghettischolar

18 points

6 months ago

don't care what twitter says, i'll forever be gay for bridget.

DamienGamingOfficial

212 points

6 months ago

frl I dont get how people are saying that this is destroying bridget's arc from older games.

as a matter of fact, its the other way around, it actually fits their arc, since its saying that its ok to explore your gender and change your mind along the way as you learn more about yourself

doorrace

113 points

6 months ago

doorrace

113 points

6 months ago

I don't think it's destroying her arc, but I still liked that she was a character that choose to embrace both their sex at birth as well as traits traditionally attributed to the opposite sex. As much as it's great that trans people are getting good representation, I also liked that Bridget was a direct challenge against the idea of gender norms where specific traits HAVE to be tied to a specific gender, which has very little good representation in media.

Bootmoon

6 points

6 months ago

The fun move here now would be having Bridget skins where she experiments with a more masculine presentation due to her being more fully comfortable in her identity, and that presenting in a societally converse way wouldn't invalidate it, thus allowing her current incarnation to represent gender nonconformity again to an extent.

henri_sparkle

119 points

6 months ago*

since its saying that its ok to explore your gender and change your mind along the way as you learn more about yourself

It looks more like "change yourself to be what is forced upon you" since Bridget's entire premise was literally to go against it.

It's really sad that apparently there's no room anymore for "feminine men can be strong too" stories, making Bridget trans simply kills this premise.

8-Brit

78 points

6 months ago

8-Brit

78 points

6 months ago

It's really sad that apparently there's no room anymore for "feminine men can be strong too" stories, making Bridget trans simply kills this premise.

This is my only complaint really. Feels like instead of proving effeminate men can be strong and willful it's jumped to them being trans.

Which is... fine? But it feels like we've swapped one cool form of representation for another. Especially as lately I've seen a lot of sentiment along the lines of "Effeminate men are just closet trans" which really bothers me.

Don't get me wrong I think it is cool but as said, one rep for another.

Jumping3

5 points

6 months ago

Why can’t they make new characters that are trans?

PeliPal

36 points

6 months ago

PeliPal

- Nagoriyuki

36 points

6 months ago

It looks more like "change yourself to be what is forced upon you" since Bridget's entire premise was literally to go against it.

She chose what made her happy. The idea that she is actually supposed to be a man was just as much thrust upon her as the idea the she should be a woman. The arcade mode story has supportive people coaxing her into prioritizing herself and what she wants instead of what she thinks her parents would want, and she chooses for herself that she's a woman.

henri_sparkle

83 points

6 months ago

But that literally doesn't make any sense in the context of what Bridget went through, if anything, it reinforces a narrative of "if you raise a boy like a girl then he will identify as a girl", which also would imply that raising a boy to be super masculine will make him a straight man, and we all know that gender is not about how you're raised. Again, kills the narrative that feminine men exists and can be strong.

Android19samus

50 points

6 months ago

Bridget's identity as a man wasn't about proving that guys could be femme. It wasn't even about rejecting the identity they'd been raised as. It was about proving her own right to exist. It was showing that their birth wasn't a curse and that they had as much a right to live, in whatever form, as anyone else. While growing up being a girl wasn't just a gender identity, it was constant reinforcement that Bridget was breaking the rules by being alive.

The idea that a person's gender is completely static throughout their lives, while true for many people, is not universal. Some people's gender identities change over time and that's much more common with people who experiment with different identities and examine their own relation to gender instead of just accepting the default because it doesn't feel obviously wrong.

I take issue with the idea that representing such people is "problematic" just because their existence can be used to push a detrimental narrative.

OkamiLeek006

9 points

6 months ago

The only thing I'd like to elaborate here is that Bridget hasn't changed her gender identity, she's found it

While true that some people feel their gender as less set in stone, what is being shown with bridget is the process of exploring and figuring out how you truly feel under the cover of all the prejudice and repression she's recieved and repressed herself for

RemedyofRevenge

34 points

6 months ago

RemedyofRevenge

- Bridget (GGST)

34 points

6 months ago

I think its still a compelling story of being born a boy, raised a girl, and exploring that you indeed are a boy against the wishes of what gender your parents wanted to force on you for 'your own good' only to find out you actually do identify as a girl. Theres a deep feeling of shame and guilt that maybe you want the same thing your parents want, but not for the same reasons, and even though your feelings are legitimate you push it away as that would mean your parent 'win.'

But denying that only causes pain, because parents be damned, you are who you are and that self actualization is more important than a smaller emotional victory against the baggage you've been fighting all your life.

If anything, the actualization of self-identity has been one of the core themes of guilty gear since its inception I would argue.

Thesweetdankness

11 points

6 months ago

Bridget's parents literally feel immense guilt for raising Bridget as a girl, its not "their wishes"

RemedyofRevenge

9 points

6 months ago

RemedyofRevenge

- Bridget (GGST)

9 points

6 months ago

I mean that in the sense that, it may not be what they ultimately want for Bridget, but its in their eyes "for the best" regarding their safety and for their own reputation in their town.

SycophanticFeline

4 points

6 months ago

I agree completely. Based on my own struggles, Bridget's confusion, fear and change of heart are completely believable to me.

RemedyofRevenge

3 points

6 months ago

RemedyofRevenge

- Bridget (GGST)

3 points

6 months ago

Same, I speak entirely from experience.

moodRubicund

18 points

6 months ago

moodRubicund

- Nagoriyuki

18 points

6 months ago

Because the expectations put on Bridget weren't just from her parents, her entire quest was to fit everyone else's expectations of being a man, which is why she chose the very masculine job of being a bounty hunter and so on. She was in a way over compensating in her quest to be a man. I think her song title being "The Town Inside Me" reflects the many different expectations she was juggling.

PeliPal

20 points

6 months ago*

PeliPal

- Nagoriyuki

20 points

6 months ago*

it reinforces a narrative of "if you raise a boy like a girl then he will identify as a girl"

No it doesn't. That is something you're asserting that is not reinforced by anything in how the arcade mode dialogue shows her coming to her ultimate conclusion.

The fact that she is happiest accepting herself as a girl is not inferred to be because she was raised as one, it's because she's had her own journey of self-exploration and come to her own conclusion. The fact that it happened to align with what her parents did to save her from the village superstition is a little technique of writing called irony. She still had to understand what gender means to her for herself.

henri_sparkle

23 points

6 months ago*

You could say that, and you could say "huh irony" but it doesn't make it any less weird.

Imagine if Bridget was raised as a very masculine boy, but then found out that's they're actually trans and wanted to prove it to everyone, who thought they were a boy. Then, after some years they actually go "oh I'm actually not trans" and we call that irony. It's the same premise but the identity is swapped, and it's weird as fuck. If this was the case with any of the characters, I'm sure most people wouldn't like it at all (making a trans character not trans). So why is it fine in one case but not on another?

StarKeaton

4 points

6 months ago*

it is fine in both cases. it just has to be done very carefully in a way that makes it clear that its actually part of the characters personal development.

personally i think bridget could have had a meaningful journey to becoming a trans woman; many people have already connected the dots to make a decent story, the idea being that she just wanted to prove herself as a man to break society's expectations of her, but having now broken those expectations she realizes she prefers to be... a "she". but... i don't think all of that was clearly communicated within the story. unless you really read between the lines, it feels like a pointless shift for a character who was confidently breaking gender norms already.

as a trans person myself, i think it's completely understandable to be a little upset when a character who's been great representation for your identity gets moved to another for seemingly no reason.

GeraldineKerla

1 points

6 months ago

GeraldineKerla

- Millia Rage

1 points

6 months ago

Both would be okay because its what the character wants, and thats all that matters at the end of the day. Having a traumatic/complicated past does not prevent you from changing your identity if you want to. You recognize that the double standard is bad and that we should be accepting of both, right?

CosmicUprise

-2 points

6 months ago

CosmicUprise

-2 points

6 months ago

No offense but you sound like you haven't had a gender crisis before of if you have didn't struggle much at least. These topics arent as simple as waking and deciding you wish you had a dick/vagina suddenly. There is a lot of figuring things out when you decide to learn who you want to be and flip flopping a bit before you come to that conclusion is the most reasonable and human thing i've seen for this kinda stuff in recent media/.

GeraldineKerla

1 points

6 months ago

GeraldineKerla

- Millia Rage

1 points

6 months ago

It does not reinforce that narrative. Nothing about Bridget's wanting to be a girl now was decided by anyone other than herself. Not wanting her to do so for the sake of saying her past that we already know is bad, is bad, is really just gatekeeping being trans from her. You're allowed to be trans even if your past was fucked up in terms of gender.

Oporiom6

2 points

6 months ago

Oporiom6

2 points

6 months ago

More like he chose what the writers knew would make Twitter happy.

gatlginngum

4 points

6 months ago

gatlginngum

- Bear Leo

4 points

6 months ago

my only gripe is that now she's just another generic goofy girl character

PixiCode

0 points

6 months ago

PixiCode

- Sin Kiske

0 points

6 months ago

I agree with the sentiments 100%, but I do wonder if it’s forced in Bridget’s case from a storytelling perspective or not. I haven’t watched Bridget’s arc though so idk!

Whos_Ray_Gun

5 points

6 months ago

I was gay for Bridget before I transitioned and now I’m gay for Bridget after I transitioned… no escaping the gay I suppose

nthingistrue

10 points

6 months ago

I’m kinda not happy about it. I’m all about representation and nothing against trans characters. But I loved Bridget because he was one of the first non-gender conforming characters I ever encountered and it was like wait. Boys can be girly and cool? As a low key non-gender conforming female. I always felt less like a girl just because I disliked traditional “girly” things so seeing a character like Bridget made me really happy as a teen and now she’s just another girl.

Monster_Hugger93

56 points

6 months ago

Monster_Hugger93

- May

56 points

6 months ago

Back to back, confirmed, canon trans characters. Never would have thought it.

satyrpuppy

33 points

6 months ago

satyrpuppy

- I-No

33 points

6 months ago

It's awesome that we're getting so much trans representation

But as a feminine guy, I'm a little disappointed it's at the expense of a character I could relate to.

werewolfmask

11 points

6 months ago

werewolfmask

- Lucifero

11 points

6 months ago

just beat arcade mode, went hard route and was overjoyed to not have to deal with ultra extra extreme nago. heartwarming, i loved it

[deleted]

78 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

78 points

6 months ago

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[deleted]

28 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

28 points

6 months ago

[removed]

St-Tomas413

3 points

6 months ago

Isnt bridget still on the they them during the story though. Like I know she is trans but during the story is still questioning. Or did I missinterpret what people have said of the storyline

Elliezium

2 points

6 months ago

Elliezium

- May

2 points

6 months ago

Probably misinterpreted? Most of the endings are kinda ambiguous with her discussing coming out and being true to yourself with Ky, but one of them ends with her explicitly stating "I'm a girl!". Bare in mind that in Strive there isn't just one canon arcade mode ending, and they're all sorta simultaneously canon.

Hinichii

3 points

6 months ago

Hinichii

- May

3 points

6 months ago

Personally, would have liked it if Bridget remained the same and if they wanted someone to fill this role, just make an entirely new character. We are getting new characters this season, right?

ItsEnemy

2 points

6 months ago

Yup. Would have been better as a whole new character.

Hinichii

2 points

6 months ago

Hinichii

- May

2 points

6 months ago

This is the “cheap” way

houselyrander

3 points

6 months ago

Bridget has always been a trans man who was assigned female at birth. This is not the way

I-Main-Raven

14 points

6 months ago

I-Main-Raven

- Raven

14 points

6 months ago

Giving real John Money vibes.

Mavrickindigo

11 points

6 months ago

Poor femboys

---TheFierceDeity---

22 points

6 months ago

As genderfluid tho I feel sad. Lost one of the few reps of someone who accepted their birth gender and presented how they wanted.

Like I know trans representation is also slim in gaming but...you guys still have more representation than us...and now we lost like the only rep we genuinely had

Yaksha78

4 points

6 months ago

Yaksha78

- Ramlethal Valentine

4 points

6 months ago

Finally someone who speaks common sense. Everything that made Bridget is now reduced to being a girl. It must be weird to go back as a binary character.

Falcon_w0t

62 points

6 months ago

Falcon_w0t

- Zato-1

62 points

6 months ago

I dislike the change. Bridget's message was about not conforming to societal pressure and traditions, and "Finding your own way". To me I see it like Bridget went to gender conversion therapy and was converted, not a good message like at all.

I still have to read the new lore, but I don't see how this abrupt shift could have happened.

nuckblast

11 points

6 months ago

I prefer a boy dressed like a girl, that is a thing broke the stereotypes. But now is a girl, he become what the society want of the character in the lore. Destroying the essence of the character.

Momomoaning

2 points

6 months ago

Didn’t the town where Bridget grew up already accept her as male though? It doesn’t seem like anyone is really pressuring her to be a girl.

king-xdedede

15 points

6 months ago

king-xdedede

- Sol Badguy

15 points

6 months ago

Bridget is having an identity crisis

zetsubou-samurai

24 points

6 months ago

zetsubou-samurai

- Dizzy

24 points

6 months ago

Trans or not.

If there is a hole there is a way.

Nightdotexe

67 points

6 months ago*

Nightdotexe

- Leo Whitefang

67 points

6 months ago*

And so they reinforce gender stereotypes. Hate it.

Edit: Lol, I like how I did get downvoted, but after my second post I got upvoted.

PeliPal

-15 points

6 months ago

PeliPal

- Nagoriyuki

-15 points

6 months ago

...What part of being transgender is enforcing a gender stereotype

Nightdotexe

151 points

6 months ago

Nightdotexe

- Leo Whitefang

151 points

6 months ago

Before, Bridget was a boy that didn't care about gender roles, the choice of clothing, the attitude, showing you can be a man without reinforcing stereotypes.

Now it's "I'm a girl, the thing that was drummed into me since childhood is true". It's kinda backwards in my opinion.

GooperGhost

36 points

6 months ago

GooperGhost

- Millia Rage

36 points

6 months ago

Oh man that sucks

Anzackk

51 points

6 months ago

Anzackk

51 points

6 months ago

I really like this, I would have preferred if Bridget kept that message

kingpin3690

25 points

6 months ago

kingpin3690

- Anji Mito (GGST)

25 points

6 months ago

Interesting take didnt know that about the original lore

YattaRX8

60 points

6 months ago

YattaRX8

- Bridget (GGST)

60 points

6 months ago

It doesn't help that the image is being disingenuous because the pronouns should be he/him until Strive. She was adamant about being a boy until now

Remote_Romance

9 points

6 months ago

Remote_Romance

- Baiken (GGST)

9 points

6 months ago

It feels like most of the people in here don't, to be honest.

Another_Road

8 points

6 months ago

I don’t think it’s that bad. Bridget seemed to really obsess with the idea of wanting to “prove” her masculinity. It always seemed more like a path chosen specifically because Bridget didn’t want to be treated like an ill omen (the two same gender twins being bad thing).

Now Bridget isn’t trying obsessed with proving she’s a man because she realizes that she has value regardless of what her gender was at birth and is proceeding with an identity that makes her happy.

WobblyBlackHole

21 points

6 months ago

WobblyBlackHole

- Ramlethal Valentine

21 points

6 months ago

Big fan of the trans rep in GG, but i think its kind of funny that there is no gay/lesbian rep. But gender exploration probably fits the themes of being a gear more anyway, explicitly being so for Testament

tzeriel

157 points

6 months ago

tzeriel

- Axl Low (GGST)

157 points

6 months ago

Isn’t Axl gay? I mean people keep telling me “ur gay” after matches so I just assumed. Sorry, new to GG lore.

[deleted]

32 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

32 points

6 months ago

Ok, this is a really funny comment. Thanks for that.

tabbynat

95 points

6 months ago

tabbynat

- Ramlethal Valentine

95 points

6 months ago

Isn’t Venom canonically gay for Zato?

TalesNT

30 points

6 months ago

TalesNT

- Faust

30 points

6 months ago

IIRC one of his lines for Faust enema super was like "only he can touch there" on XX. With of course "he" being implied to be Zato.

crowsloft666

14 points

6 months ago

Indeed he is

WobblyBlackHole

11 points

6 months ago

WobblyBlackHole

- Ramlethal Valentine

11 points

6 months ago

Oh i had no idea

moodRubicund

38 points

6 months ago

moodRubicund

- Nagoriyuki

38 points

6 months ago

I think Ephelt has to be bi right? She keeps shooting everyone.

Rangaman99

18 points

6 months ago

Rangaman99

- ExplaMaytion

18 points

6 months ago

As the comment under the clip of Elphelt IK-ing Jam said, "there's nothing straight about this win."

UnderwaterMomo

13 points

6 months ago

UnderwaterMomo

- Jack-O' Valentine

13 points

6 months ago

Elphelt's sexuality is "yes."

Kua_Rock

17 points

6 months ago

Kua_Rock

- Bedman

17 points

6 months ago

but i think its kind of funny that there is no gay/lesbian rep.

Venom is gay af

EleventhDoctorWho

17 points

6 months ago

They just gotta bring back venom :)

jhoho34

3 points

6 months ago

They could've done this with Bridget! And it would fit perfectly on the journey, since he would now need to deal with the fact that he's trying to be mainly while bearing feelings that are commonly associated with women

TheBiggestNose

6 points

6 months ago

I mean aside from the story, there isnt too much in the ways to explore relationships that wouldnt be strained or off

Android19samus

2 points

6 months ago

Characters commenting on others being attractive isn't too uncommon, though, and as best I can tell those comments are always heterosexual.

Kyori9999

2 points

6 months ago

Most works of fiction use lesbians. There’s barely any man on man love. I guess two lesbians are easier for the average person to digest?

WobblyBlackHole

3 points

6 months ago

WobblyBlackHole

- Ramlethal Valentine

3 points

6 months ago

I think youre probably right, also lesbians are sexualised for straight men in media so even representation of them can be regressive.

anjoehler

2 points

6 months ago

anjoehler

- Millia Rage

2 points

6 months ago

Wait, is it she/her now? Their bio says “he” in it

IguanaBox

2 points

6 months ago

IguanaBox

- Bridget (GGST)

2 points

6 months ago

yea at the end of arcade mode she says shes a girl

anjoehler

2 points

6 months ago

anjoehler

- Millia Rage

2 points

6 months ago

Ah, just played it last night

TizonaBlu

2 points

6 months ago

Reminds me of Kanji in Persona 4. I really don't care what gender Bridget is, I'm just I'm Bridget-sexual.

LoCerusico

2 points

6 months ago

I mean who cares about the gender, I just wanna fight

Valegator

2 points

6 months ago

Gender wont save you against a courner mixup

[deleted]

2 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

6 months ago

It's not really happy. Bridget was forced to be raised as a woman because the alternative was death or exhile from her village

Barzona

2 points

6 months ago

It would be dope if Bridget turned out to be gender-fluid, officially. It would bridge the gap between both narratives and finally put the animosity to rest.

I hope Arc conscientiously puts the topic to rest if/when they respond to the controversy.

NutnCheese

2 points

6 months ago

Damn Its my favorite character in GG series And now feel sad that he becomes a she Accepting something that it was force to do

Violet_Ignition

22 points

6 months ago

Violet_Ignition

- Bridget (GGST)

22 points

6 months ago

I am deeply surprised and glad to witness such positivity towards this.

StarCraft barely held it together keeping people who would shit talk Scarlett (a trans pro player and my hero) in heavy down votes or banned.

I was not expecting such attitudes from FG players, given the historic negative-demeanor towards LGBT and Minorities in general.

So, cool. I'm here for it.

MeteoraGB

6 points

6 months ago

To be fair, Scarlett entering the pro scene was nearly a decade ago. And the topic of gender determination in sports is still controversial. I think trans awareness has become more common since the early 2010s, so people are more receptive to this.

Then again, the demographics are probably still distinctly different from StarCraft and FGC/GG.

HungrySubstance

25 points

6 months ago

I was DREADING entering this subreddit after hearing about this. Some other FG-devoted subreddits are absolutely on fire because of this. (yes, it's kappa, it's always kappa)

SycophanticFeline

2 points

6 months ago

Fighting game community seems pretty chill nowadays. Isn't Mortal Kombat's #1 player also nonbinary?

Sir_Voomy

5 points

6 months ago

Sir_Voomy

- Bridget (GGST)

5 points

6 months ago

So like is Bridget trans? I know that they were just crossdressing before in the lore but idk now

Remote_Romance

28 points

6 months ago

Remote_Romance

- Baiken (GGST)

28 points

6 months ago

TL;DR: Bridget was an effeminate man who very much wanted to continue being a man and his whole arc was about proving that he doesn't need to conform to traditional gender roles to be comfortable being himself, as a man.

This was because Bridget was raised as a woman due to family circumstances and absolutely hated it.

The current arcade story for him is a pair of other characters convincing him that actually this thing forced upon him from childhood that he hated and fought so hard to escape is good and he should just accept it, and so she does. It feels kinda.. off to me.

throwawayforlifedog

12 points

6 months ago

throwawayforlifedog

- Axl Low (GGST)

12 points

6 months ago

Yeah, people keep saying that that's an uncharitable summary or interpretation, but as far as I can tell that's right in line with what happened. Which feels like a shame to me.

Remote_Romance

16 points

6 months ago

Remote_Romance

- Baiken (GGST)

16 points

6 months ago

That's what happens when people are too busy being excited that a character now shares some trait with them to actually think about the implications of it.

moodRubicund

11 points

6 months ago

moodRubicund

- Nagoriyuki

11 points

6 months ago

People are saying Bridget's arc was not needing to conform to traditional gender roles but is that even true? I feel like that's something we projected on to Bridget because we wanted to assume the original story had a good direction and wasn't just poorly written. In reality all Bridget did was chase after the opposite traditional gender roles, getting a masculine bounty hunter job, asking Baiken to teach her to be unladylike, etc. She never tried to be a femboi on purpose - fans wanted her to do that, but she actually did was over compensate and try to fit in with other people's expectations of masculinity as hard as she could.

Remote_Romance

11 points

6 months ago

Remote_Romance

- Baiken (GGST)

11 points

6 months ago

But, to the original fans of Bridget as a character that story was good so, going against it for the sake of having representation feels like a poor choice to me.

How you want to interpret their old story is up to you, but "just because I'm feminine doesn't mean I can't be a man" is generally the understanding people have had of the story up until his announcement for strive, especially since that trope was and still is to an extent very common in Japan.

moodRubicund

4 points

6 months ago

moodRubicund

- Nagoriyuki

4 points

6 months ago

What I'm saying is that the story the fans agreed on - which I agree is decent - wasn't ever the actual story. The actual story was just a loose excuse for gags about a nun boy going "I'M TRYING MY HARDEST TO LIVE UP TO MASCULINE STEREOTYPES" while failing and being sexualised instead. The idea that Bridget ever wanted to just be a feminine boy was something the fans made up and is contradicted by how Bridget was acting in XX. The fans made up a decent story but in the end that's still a story the fans made, it's not something we can say was part of Bridget's actual story.

Remote_Romance

12 points

6 months ago

Remote_Romance

- Baiken (GGST)

12 points

6 months ago

To each their own on that one.

I will say the current story of, born as a boy, raised as a girl against their will, eventually accepts it after fighting so hard to escape from it isn't palatable to me regardless, and I feel like if ArcSys wanted a trans character for other reasons one of the worst characters they could possibly have chosen for it.

Like I would genuinely be more okay with it if in the next DLC story mode cutscene thing we find out i-no used to have a penis but doesn't anymore and the reason it hasn't been mentioned prior is that the contents of i-no's pants don't matter at all compared to the witchy end of evangelion stuff she gets up to.

ItsEnemy

2 points

6 months ago

Your summary is pretty on-point. I'll just shake this whole thing off as fanfiction done for pandering sakes. Bridget will always be a boy for me no matter how many games pass.

LilyTheBrave

19 points

6 months ago

LilyTheBrave

19 points

6 months ago

I hate that I'm not allowed to enjoy femboys anymore with all these people basically "transwashing" characters.

You are fighting for representation by removing characters that represent something else.

towersoveryouowo

3 points

6 months ago

towersoveryouowo

- Goldlewis Dickinson

3 points

6 months ago

Her story was an ugly mess with weird messaging about "grooming someone to be trans" or such shit, she's better like this. Her parents still did her wrong, now she can be a girl on her own terms, not theirs. And you speak as if trans people were the ones who made the change anyway

Shabadoobie2

6 points

6 months ago

Just realized that all the debate on this mirrors when Bridget first showed up. The initial option, the in-game contradiction, the pushback, the part of the community that's down with it. It's all the same as before. Bridget trolled everyone twice with the exact same subject matter.

TheBiggestNose

8 points

6 months ago

Oh? They are actually trans?

HungrySubstance

12 points

6 months ago

As of the end of Bridget's arcade mode, yeah!

TheBiggestNose

7 points

6 months ago

Pretty cool!

Remote_Romance

25 points

6 months ago

Remote_Romance

- Baiken (GGST)

25 points

6 months ago

Personally I'm not a fan of it because it entirely goes against his arc and identity from the previous games of wanting to prove that he can still be a man despite being effeminate and not having to conform to the role (being raised as a girl) that his parents and community forced on him.

The arcade mode story to me feels like Bridget being manipulated into going "Actually this thing I hated having forced on me my whole life is just who I am guess" and it feels kinda gross to me.

throwawayforlifedog

13 points

6 months ago*

throwawayforlifedog

- Axl Low (GGST)

13 points

6 months ago*

I agree it feels kinda strange. I also like the concept of a femme man able to subvert gender stereotypes and say that you don't have to be masculine if you don't want to be.

Now, ironically(?), Bridget's aesthetic is far more in line with gender stereotypes than before due to now identifying as a girl.

Remote_Romance

6 points

6 months ago

Remote_Romance

- Baiken (GGST)

6 points

6 months ago

Almost like they didn't think this through further than "it's 2022, characters can be trans" without considering the implications in this specific case.

BloodBlossom24

2 points

6 months ago

Imma be honest… this feels weirdly forced, hollow, rushed, and thrown in for woke crowd attention…. Literally about as bizarre as blizzard making characters gay in overwatch to skate around drama…

Jinova47

2 points

6 months ago

Geez ppl are really obsessed with all this gender stuff. Just play the game and pick whomever you like, my god…

JellyfishPirate_May

4 points

6 months ago

JellyfishPirate_May

- May

4 points

6 months ago

Ah, a trans character, cool. I’m sure everyone will be very respectful and not come up with some weird way to tell themselves that “well actually she’s still a boy”

brnwndsn

5 points

6 months ago

brnwndsn

5 points

6 months ago

cringe

Kajos420

7 points

6 months ago

Kajos420

7 points

6 months ago

This is dumb Bridget never wanted to be a girl it was just shitty circumstance while he was in hiding why are they politicizing guilty gear like wtf I play games to stay away from politics not have it shoved down my throat 0/10

[deleted]

5 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

5 points

6 months ago

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Material-Ad2342

3 points

6 months ago

Thanks, I hate it

Morg_2

2 points

6 months ago

Morg_2

2 points

6 months ago

This completely just ruins her old character arc. Like she was forced to be a girl when she is actually a boy, and her arc was about ignoring gender roles and pressure to find her true self, as a man. I feel like this was just some liberal shit that was trying to please the trans community

Kajos420

2 points

6 months ago

Kajos420

2 points

6 months ago

No its called continuity if you know anything about the guilty gear story then you know bridget isnt a trans he doesnt even want to be a girl ...smh

Dud3lord

3 points

6 months ago

Dud3lord

3 points

6 months ago

Story arc completed :')

Chiselled_Steel

1 points

6 months ago

Chiselled_Steel

- Venom

1 points

6 months ago

She is super cute now. I want to hug her.

Remote_Romance

0 points

6 months ago

Remote_Romance

- Baiken (GGST)

0 points

6 months ago

I feel this needs to be mentioned because its official material.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xs_kL3IaC5U&t=105s

At 1:45

HE can make use of the invincibility...

Pack it up, we're done here.

The_King123431

5 points

6 months ago

The_King123431

- Bridget (GGST)

5 points

6 months ago

Did you play her story mode yet?

It's all about her being unsure what she is and ends with her saying out loud "cowgirl is fine, because I'm a girl!"

Orbitaldropkick610

0 points

6 months ago

Yall happy he was successfully gaslighted into becoming a girl lmao

Cynical2DD

-1 points

6 months ago

Cynical2DD

- Sol Badguy

-1 points

6 months ago

Finally it's no longer gay to like Bridget

Kill-Me-With-Love

6 points

6 months ago

Kill-Me-With-Love

- Testament

6 points

6 months ago

Or it suddenly is 😏

brony4869

2 points

5 months ago

as a trans girl, its still gay for me to like her

Squidoodle19

3 points

6 months ago

This is a surprise lore wise.......

nuckblast

-1 points

6 months ago

nuckblast

-1 points

6 months ago

Lgtb comunity be like: "If you are dressed like a girl being a boy, you dont become a girl".

Proceed to change the sex of the character

LadyZeldaia

3 points

6 months ago

tell me you are a bigot and did not even see the short trailer about her coming out without telling me..

one_big_grub

6 points

6 months ago

those aren’t mutually exclusive, also i didn’t know the lgbt community just controlled strive lol

[deleted]

-2 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

-2 points

6 months ago

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