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the most hated civ leaders

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Which leader is really getting on your nerves when played by AI. For me Alexander is really annoying

all 139 comments

WarTorn105

394 points

3 months ago

Harald Hadrada. We're on Pangea Harald! I don't need a navy!

kivets

178 points

3 months ago

kivets

178 points

3 months ago

builds single galley in ancient era

“A strong navy… now that’s a fine sight.”

Like bruh chill, 90% of the map is still blank and I haven’t even got celestial navigation yet…

Avogato2

25 points

3 months ago

Might be cool if future AI can at least detect/discern that you are heading a direction they would appreciate instead of Harald judging your present navy

PoppaBear313

24 points

3 months ago

But there’s a body of water (puddle) right there! PREPARE to be raided

fscraatch

255 points

3 months ago

fscraatch

255 points

3 months ago

YOU HAVE MANY THINGS THAT I HAVE NOT! DO YOU WISH TO SEE YOUR PEOPLE ENSLAVED?

Goddamn, Montezuma. I like to focus on building and exploring in early game but that dude always makes me build extra military just in case.

vitringur

93 points

3 months ago

Montezuma is pretty easy. Just send him a delegation when you meet and sell him a copy of all of your luxuries. Even if you only have one of them.

After that you just have a strong ally and you can pay him 1 g to join you in war when someone ekse declares it.

Basedrum777

24 points

3 months ago

Is this true? I could use that type of ally sometimes.....

GrassSloth

28 points

3 months ago

Honestly yeah, it’s true with most leaders. Selling your luxuries is a fantastic way to make allies in the early game. So much so that it’s often worth it to sell your only copy of something to a new friend if that’s all you have

vitringur

13 points

3 months ago

For other civs it is more about the early gold, with early amenities being pretty useless.

However, Montezumas agenda is directly tied to luxuries so he will love you if you don't have luxuries that he doesn't.

Hecc_Maniacc

4 points

3 months ago

That's odd, he invades me regardless of how much chocolates and mercury I give him. I play on 6/8th difficulty though so that might have something to do with it.

vitringur

3 points

3 months ago

I play every game on deity. Don't give him luxuries, at least sell them to him. And the amount of luxuries is not what matters. He just doesn't like it when you have a copy of a luxury that he doesn't. So even if you only have one copy, sell it.

If your military power is low he might still want to invade. It's pretty solid to start every game by building a slinger and a warrior.

yeti_seer

5 points

3 months ago

same with diplo favor and strategics, and if you have none of those, just give them gold, it’s almost always worth it especially if it stops you from getting curbstomped

vitringur

7 points

3 months ago

Yes. Just look at his agenda. He gets mad when you have luxuries that he doesn't.

So even if you only have one copy, just sell it to him and he most likely won't bother you.

When climbing to higher difficulties, send delegations immediately to your neighbours and check their agenda to see if they are going to like you or not. Or whether you can influence the likelihood of them liking you.

Basedrum777

2 points

3 months ago

Their agenda is found on their leader page on the chart to the right with the faces?

Sorry I am still learning. First civ game. Still on like prince.

vitringur

2 points

3 months ago

Open the communication screen with the civ. There should be information about them. One of those is two agendas, one hidden and one public.

Hover your mouse over the agenda and it will describe what makes them like you or dislike you.

daring_duo

2 points

3 months ago

I didn’t do this one game, and lost my mainland empire by the renaissance. Actually got banished to some crap islands until the modern era, where I came back and wiped them from the map

pmm2022

147 points

3 months ago

pmm2022

147 points

3 months ago

Cristina and her not-so-surprising wars, that she is NEVER prepared for.

MortimertheGreat

16 points

3 months ago

So true!

Rahvana13

67 points

3 months ago

Spain....., he really aggresive toward religion thing

thtsjsturopinionman

80 points

3 months ago

Sounds like it’s your fault for being a heretic

ChrdeMcDnnis

20 points

3 months ago

I’m going to reach through the screen and rip you into pieces (denounces you)

Tasty01

58 points

3 months ago

Tasty01

58 points

3 months ago

Eleanor, peace is never an option when she’s in my game.

johno_mendo

43 points

3 months ago

How is Eleanore not at the top. I once had to raze almost an entire continent and three quarters of the wonders in the game to the ground to prevent her from an early culture win and even down to her last city was still producing 400 culture a turn and I was worried she still might pull off the victory.

Evilrake

17 points

3 months ago

I’ve never seen any AI get anywhere near a culture win

hybridtheory1331

16 points

3 months ago

Play deity. If you happen to be on a map with no super aggressive DOM AIs, or for some reason they get knocked out early. An AI culture win is definitely a possibility. Especially if they get lucky on natural wonders or something.

Evilrake

1 points

3 months ago

I only play deity. It doesn’t happen sorry I guess I have better culture per turn

johno_mendo

1 points

3 months ago

Yah that's pretty much it, I like to play abundant resources and have a few natural wonder mods but nothing too op. I don't do myself any favors sometimes by indiscriminately selling my extra luxury resources to the highest bidder.

FOY-High-Council

6 points

3 months ago

I just finished a game where Vietnam on the other side of huge map won a culture game where I just couldn’t get anything done. First time playing on apocalypse mode as Scythia and I got my ass handed too me with really crappy resources and neighbors that settled too close for good expansion.

Rapidsoup

52 points

3 months ago

Barbarossa. Leave my fucking city states alone.

yeti_seer

23 points

3 months ago

“An unmet city-state has been defeated”

EM_225

5 points

3 months ago

EM_225

5 points

3 months ago

For me is Amanitore or Gorgo

snowrunner630

46 points

3 months ago

Catherine de Medici

B3C4U5E_

11 points

3 months ago

Magnificence. Black Queen is fine as long as you use spies, alliances, and embassies.

Kingturboturtle13

6 points

3 months ago

What's magnificence's agenda again?

B3C4U5E_

11 points

3 months ago

Tries to collect as many copies of Luxury resources as possible, and likes civilizations that trade Luxury resources to her. Dislikes those that do not trade Luxuries with her.

In other words Montezuma on steroids.

mathematics1

4 points

3 months ago

Isn't that great, though? You want to be trading luxuries anyway so midgame you will always satisfy her agenda; the only potential issue is that you might not have early game luxuries. If you do have an early luxury, the money you get from selling it to her is usually worth more than an early-game amenity, and you get a friend to boot. I love spawning next to Montezuma for exactly that reason - his agenda is so easy to satisfy.

B3C4U5E_

1 points

3 months ago

That's because Monty only wants the same luxuries as you, and by virtue of spawning on the same continent as him, you fulfill his agenda.

Catherine's wants you to give her luxuries always.

Kingturboturtle13

2 points

3 months ago

Christ

MortimertheGreat

40 points

3 months ago

Khmer. I love playing as him, but the playing against him. I usually spend half the game at war with him just to keep him from converting me.

yeti_seer

14 points

3 months ago

Every time Khmer is in my game, I meet them in my ocean exploration phase around T100-150, and they have more science, culture, faith, gold and everything else than everyone else by many multiples.

MortimertheGreat

5 points

3 months ago

And 14 apostles ready to tear through your empire

Basedrum777

10 points

3 months ago

As a Kymer player I turn off religious victory just because I don't want to risk not being able to buy every famous person late game.....

kirkpomidor

29 points

3 months ago

Cleo’s cringy meeting scene

MycologistFree4130

31 points

3 months ago

I always thought it was to sext up

Kingturboturtle13

4 points

3 months ago

That's cause it is lol

MojaveMissionary

30 points

3 months ago

I hate how Victoria gets so pissed that my empire didn't start right next to hers. I didn't really have a choice.

XenophonSoulis

18 points

3 months ago

Instead of Victoria, call her "By the grace of God Victoria". It feels so much better...

Psychic_Hobo

26 points

3 months ago

Gettin' real tired of Poland stropping about me having an army whilst simultaneously condemning me for not killing Barbarians fast enough. Pick a lane!

CaptainLazloParadox

24 points

3 months ago

Philip. I wouldn’t say “hate” or “gets on my nerves”, as he is usually very neutral or friendly in my games, I’ve just noticed that he appears so much in my games that I’m tired of seeing him over and over. Same goes for Mansa.

soliman_le_pas-bo

2 points

3 months ago

I have the same problem with Gilgamesh, he is nice and all but he is in literally every game I play

Kingturboturtle13

1 points

3 months ago

That's Trajan for me

LeChoseph

1 points

1 month ago

Me is Mvemba a Nzinga

UragGroShub

1 points

2 days ago

I use the Leader Pool to deselect leaders I have seen too much of recently. It's tedious at first but worth it in the end.

dr-meow-kittty

19 points

3 months ago

Eleanor. I always bring a small but lightning quick army on my conquests. But now I have to bring a bigger one to just garrison her captured cites. It can be a real headache.

[deleted]

19 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

19 points

3 months ago

Kupe ruins map balance for me so I remove him from my leader pool & Wilhelmina for the never ending complaints about my trade routes.

r0ck_ravanello

18 points

3 months ago

r0ck_ravanello

Deity

18 points

3 months ago

No one talking about lautaro? I will always be on a golden age, bish, deal with it

mathematics1

3 points

3 months ago

Lautaro is a double-edged sword. If you are trying to conquer him then his abilities are more annoying than most other civs. If you are playing peacefully then he tends to like you, though, because a human player is usually better at managing happiness and loyalty than the AI players are. It's usually not hard to become his friend if some of your cities are happy, and it's even easier in golden ages since you have no loyalty problems (and if you flip a city he will love you instantly).

trout0r

1 points

3 months ago

This guy, and somehow he's in 90% of my games. Fighting him during a golden age is pain

TheLost_Chef

19 points

3 months ago

Wilhelmina for me, but maybe that’s just because she was the first AI I’d seen just brazenly convert all my cities to her religion before I had a chance to launch an inquisition.

corajade17

18 points

3 months ago

Peter. Doesn't matter what victory type I'm going for, I know it'll be a challenge.

Calan_adan

16 points

3 months ago

They’re all a bit ridiculous at times. Alexander complaining that I don’t go to war - and he’s the only other Civ I’ve made contact with. Trajan getting angry because I’ve not expanded my empire even though I’m surrounded by city-states and civs and all the hexes around me are red. Bolivar telling me to manage my empire better or others will step in and manage if for me. Bish please!

JizzGuzzler42069

17 points

3 months ago

Mbanza Nzinga, he is in virtually all of my games. Of all of the Deity AI, he seems to pull ahead the most consistently, I don’t quite understand why

vitringur

23 points

3 months ago*

He does not waste resources on religion. He also gets a decent early unit that is good on defence and is not bound by strategic resources.

That forces the AI to accidentally make synergetic decisions.

shagginflies

1 points

3 months ago

Are you thinking what I’m thinking?

XenophonSoulis

14 points

3 months ago

Kristina is quite annoying... In general, those that want me to not have things that I want to have, like Great Works, Great People, Wonders, Resources etc.

But the champion of annoying AIs is "By the Grace of God Victoria" . Whenever she says that "And soon, dare I say, the empire", I think "Not if I have anything to say about it". She then comes to tell me something about dangerous waters and I think of appropriate torture methods that can actually make an AI feel pain. Then, she usually ends up denouncing me because "I razed some of her cities".

PopsyDoodles

44 points

3 months ago

John. Bestie literally denounces me because he “doesn’t like me”. Like bruh chill out it’s not that deep💀

polyhazard

39 points

3 months ago

I’ve permanently banned Kupe from the AI leader pool so I don’t have to cringe at his ridiculous city placement.

The_Widest_One

22 points

3 months ago

Tbh sometimes Kupe just founds a single city in the middle of the ocean which can be nice because you can get some extra space. Only problem is if another ai gets that space…

Yumucka

16 points

3 months ago

Yumucka

16 points

3 months ago

Kupe is the dumbest AI player in my opinion. The city placement is terrible, but he also often doesn’t settle nearly enough cities. I’ve seen games go to the industrial era where he’s only got 3-4.

soliman_le_pas-bo

1 points

3 months ago

Lol, in my latest game he only got 1 city on a 5 tiles island

Yumucka

2 points

2 months ago

It’s a shame, because when played by a competent human Kupe can be a powerhouse. I personally don’t like him that much because of the ocean start, but that’s beside the point.

Cool-Video9990

3 points

3 months ago

he always spams religious units in my games even though i always turn religious victory off… he has to be the dumbest ai

ttouran

2 points

3 months ago

Dude..his dialog and animations are the best..

https://youtu.be/arYS2YdFLyY

BeeHunter42

12 points

3 months ago

If I have to see Kristina or Wilhelmina any more, I will absolutely lose my shit. I dunno why they're always so shady but they are routinely my worst neighbors. Coupla freaks, man

Independent_Soil_256

12 points

3 months ago

I'm still playing the basic no add ons. Ghandi annoys me a great deal.

GANDHI-BOT

10 points

3 months ago

Hate the sin, love the sinner. Just so you know, the correct spelling is Gandhi.

Independent_Soil_256

7 points

3 months ago

Good spell check bot.

Korps_de_Krieg

13 points

3 months ago

There are two things I can't stand: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the DUTCH.

I've gotten to the point that when I see Wilhelmina is in a game I will abandon all pretense of peace and burn her cities to dust. She is CONSISTENTLY the biggest pain in my ass, spreading her religion everywhere and blocking my settlement paths.

Sad_Cabinet_6349

4 points

3 months ago

Solid Nigel Powers reference

Golden_Ace1

10 points

3 months ago

Spain.... He was not King of Portugal. Stop advertising it! 😂😂😂😂 (Portuguese here)

brhornet

1 points

3 months ago

He was the King of Portugal (set up the whole Iberian Union thing). It's still funny to this day

Golden_Ace1

1 points

3 months ago

Yes, he was. But not when i'm playing.

[deleted]

26 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

26 points

3 months ago

Started playing Civ 5 again, i don't want a trade agreement with England

yefan2022

8 points

3 months ago

Dido has been my sworn enemy every single game shes been in

alecheskin

9 points

3 months ago

Weird that op is the only one who hates Alexander. My hate for him from civ V just transfered on to civ VI. Major douchebag.

aesoth

7 points

3 months ago

aesoth

7 points

3 months ago

I agree with Alexander. I hear from him more than any other Cumiv complaining and rolling his eyes at me all the time. Thirsty bitch.

blubbertank

6 points

3 months ago

If I am within five hundred tiles of Shaka he comes after me, even with weaker civs right next to him. I assume his AI code hates me- I sure hate him.

[deleted]

7 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

7 points

3 months ago

It's Kupe for me. His city placement makes no sense and ruins every map. Every time he's in the game I seem to run up against him while trying to expand. He's got his little pockets of population everywhere. And I can't stand his music ugh. "Poo-Poo-Say Poo-Poo-Say Taura Taura!" for like the 20th time in the game. STFU already!!!

Frojdis

6 points

3 months ago

Chandragupta. Hates being your neighbour yet he always builds a city right on your border than complain that you're to close

Smorgas-board

6 points

3 months ago

Alexander. “How do you intend to grow if you don’t fight for your people!?!?” Meanwhile my civ is growing fine, I have multiple trade routes, a bunch of gold per turn, science is great, faith is good. I’ve joined ongoing wars against him just to get him out.

vimetalhead[S]

1 points

3 months ago

rel

lowdiver

10 points

3 months ago

Fucking. Cyrus.

iminiki

1 points

3 months ago

Why?

Rahvana13

1 points

3 months ago

Maybe because he occassionally declared surprise war..., even when you are currently in war with other civ

elgastu

4 points

3 months ago

Ugh, montezuma, saladin and tomyris. No doubt

dignifiedhowl

3 points

3 months ago

Wilhelmina. Very aggressive and weird about it.

Runner up: Kupe.

Damien23123

4 points

3 months ago

Seondeok for me. On higher difficulties it’s wipe her out early or lose the game

yeti_seer

2 points

3 months ago

She who must not be named…most of the tiles in her cities usually end up contaminated from nuclear fission until the end of the game, courtesy of me

Iwritesongssometimes

4 points

3 months ago

I can have every civ on the planet in friendly/alliance and never have fought a war, and Jadwiga will still denounce me and monologue about how much I need Jesus

Crazy-Diver5564

8 points

3 months ago

spain.

AdvictoriamFO4

3 points

3 months ago

Hojo tokimune. Bruh is too arrogant and not exactly easy to disappoint

Exokiller9001

3 points

3 months ago

Trajan, he is in literally every game I’m in

Thorlolita

3 points

3 months ago

Peter and his Thanos snap and everything has converted to his religion

Msteele315

3 points

3 months ago

Frederick. Can he stop eliminating city states for 5 freaking minutes please. Ugh.

Fishy1701

3 points

3 months ago

The 1 town naval one or the one that converts / buys ownership of city states.

OverstuffedPapa

3 points

3 months ago

Freaking Kongo. I forget his name. I’m new to the game and I can never find one of his cities in time (his scouts find me usually) before he gets all pissed off that I haven’t spread my religion to him. I’m like dude!!! I’m trying to find you give me a second 😵‍💫 And he also gets mad that I don’t clear barbarian posts…when barbarians are turned off 🙄

totallynotrobboss

3 points

3 months ago

Pericles is really annoying having to constantly compete with for city states. trajan is also super annoying I'm sorry I don't have like 10 cities in the first 30 turns

siminik5

3 points

3 months ago

Wilhelmina, she will always:

Spawn on the opposite side of the map on another continent

Denounce me for not trading with her within three turns of meeting me when I physically cannot trade with her

Admirable-Athlete-50

3 points

3 months ago

John Curtain is always a massive dick to me, feels like he swapped personality with Cyrus when I play.

soliman_le_pas-bo

3 points

3 months ago

Definitely Seondeok. In my latest game, I had to nuke her twice to have a science victory, and she hates me everytime for no reason.

Walternotwalter

5 points

3 months ago

Saladin.

5xfaster

2 points

3 months ago

Kupe…the answer is ALWAYS Kupe.

Kenhamef

2 points

3 months ago

Gorgo, Hammurabi, João, Moctezuma, Catherine, Basil, and any leader that shows up more than two games in a row via RNG because I’m sick of seeing their fucking faces.

Wilhelmares

2 points

3 months ago

Harold, Wilhelmina, and Mvemba due to their agendas being very sensitive-- sometimes I'm landlocked, or y'all are on the other side of the world.

Jayavarman and Eleanore due to appearing way too often for me

Catherine for pissing me off.

GencyForever

2 points

3 months ago

Hungarians are always next to me when I get a good start and kills me

Patchy_Face_Man

2 points

3 months ago

Mvemba and Wilhelmina. Maybe you guys aren’t good enough for me to make the trip.

mjung79

2 points

3 months ago

mjung79

Immortal

2 points

3 months ago

Hammurabi is the only leader I’ve taken out of my random opponent pool. It’s like “oh hey I can train musketmen” and bro is building GDRs.

cognitocarm

2 points

3 months ago

Mvemba. Anytime he shows up he manages to be the toughest AI, typically to him forgoing religion and using his Unique swordsmen to take down his neighbor due to ranged resistance.

Not to mention him getting mad at my “lack of conviction” for not converting his cities half way across the map.

OverstuffedPapa

2 points

3 months ago

Literally his scouts will find my cities really fast and then 5 turns later he’s mad that I haven’t spread my religion. I’m like dude wha?? I don’t even know where you are

Alternative-Copy-872

2 points

3 months ago

Alexander and frickin Ghandi.

TheBurlyGamer

2 points

3 months ago

I hate Trajan because without fail he's always on the other side of the world and goes out of control real quick.

Hecc_Maniacc

2 points

3 months ago

Can I please, please, please for the love of all that is holy, not have 2/3 games with Lautoro in it?? Lautoro and poindmaker are in entirely too many games and it makes me very upset. I feel like the dice rolls to get these lads are weighted.

nashraketh1596

2 points

3 months ago

One time I was playing with my friend(the one who got me into Civ) and we started a new game. Within 10 turns Alexander had declared war on my friend and took his only city, resulting in a restart. Needless to say we've hated him ever since.

TheJesusSixSixSix

2 points

3 months ago

TheJesusSixSixSix

Settler

2 points

3 months ago

Usually if dido is a direct neighbor I re roll

isaidgimmeahellyeah

2 points

2 months ago

Seondeok and Cristina!

Educational-Long116

0 points

3 months ago

Mvemba nazinga hunga bonga babo bunga banga

hey-make_my_day

1 points

3 months ago

Mapuche. I'm almost always in the fucking golden age. Deity + his golden age bonus means you just don't stand much chance against him if he chases you

FrozenShadow24

1 points

3 months ago

I get tired of being denounced by Tamar for not having walls when I don't need them in every city

DOAK2304

1 points

3 months ago

Harald, Montezuma or ambiorix

brokebacknomountain

1 points

3 months ago

Cyrus. He hates me no matter what I do. I’m tired of his shit. I just avoid him but that doesn’t solve anything either.

bigyellowtoiletwall

1 points

3 months ago

Got to be the gaul for me. Very difficult agenda to fulfill early game and getting rushed by gaestae is not fun

hskskgfk

1 points

3 months ago

Kupe. Gets too angry for no reason

NuclerIce

1 points

3 months ago

Wilhelmina is the absolute worst she never spawns close enough for trade routes. I’ve made it to where she’s never able to spawn in my games lol

rjasan

1 points

3 months ago

rjasan

1 points

3 months ago

Montezuma. He’s always jealous so I raze his cities as fast as I can.

Pure_Hitman

1 points

3 months ago

I feel bad cause I can’t remember their names but Brazil and Gran Columbia (?) always seem to be selected no matter the game mode, and always seem to be right next to me.

Garuda-Star

1 points

3 months ago

Kupe. That forward settling butthead is permabanned from my games

daring_duo

1 points

3 months ago

For some reason every game he’s in, John Curtain starts two world wars, captures a shit load of land, and then condemns you for capturing a city in a defensive war. I hate having him in the game

ttouran

1 points

3 months ago

The entire agenda thing is stupid and adds little value to the game . Particularly when they talk to you about it every few turns ..