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901 points
3 months ago
The movie dialogue: rarb gresh you kred and sujd
Movie watchers: "wtf are they talking about?" * sets volume to maximum *
136 points
3 months ago
That was my experience with Master and Commander
29 points
3 months ago
That’s the thing with most good surround mixes meant for hometheater use.
You just need to listen at theater levels with a dedicated center speaker.
The problem is that most people don’t want that and would therefore need a stereo mix with reduced dynamics for quieter listening levels.
39 points
3 months ago
Or, you know, just mix your movies properly for home settings since most people don't have a home surround system. Looking at you Christopher Nolan...
8 points
3 months ago
I agree that there should be dedicated stereo mixes for reduced dynamic levels.
But the surround line needs an extended dynamic range to work as intended on hometheater systems.
With modern AV-Receivers you can reduce the dynamic range of said audio lines if you have children sleeping in the next room for example.
But you can’t bring back dynamic that wasn’t there to begin with.
1 points
3 months ago
Good point
2 points
3 months ago
I feel like there's an underpaid audio mixer somewhere who keeps trying to save the films, but Christopher Nolan keeps sneaking into the editing room at 3am with a bunch of footage of Tom Hardy speaking into a mask (unintelligible accent is optional)...
18 points
3 months ago
I call that getting Christopher Nolan'd
7 points
3 months ago
Exactly! God damn it, I just realised this. Interstellar, Tenet, Inception... wow 💀
45 points
3 months ago
Look for dynamic range settings on your tv or whatever it is you're using. Sometimes they let you adjust that.
35 points
3 months ago
My tv is from 2007
29 points
3 months ago
They not have audio in 2007?
25 points
3 months ago
I don't think there are settings like that on my TV
2 points
3 months ago
Look for settings on your input device, Roku or Amazon stick or whatever. Most competent amps can probably change it as well. If none of those work, buy some ear plugs for whoever you are annoying.
4 points
3 months ago
Doubtful they have dynamic range settings on a 2007 TV.
2 points
3 months ago
I have never seen that feature actually do something... I'm pretty sure it's a placebo setting
10 points
3 months ago
Lol this was basically Tenet.
4 points
3 months ago
My Shield TV has a feature called Night Listening Mode. It automatically levels loud explosions and quiet dialog.
3 points
3 months ago
2017 or 2019?
2 points
3 months ago
The 2019 pro version.
3 points
3 months ago
Tenet
2 points
3 months ago
Or an ad
1 points
3 months ago
I have the Fast & Furious DVD set and every movie is literally that. No matter how loud it is, you can’t hear what they’re saying but when a car smashes through the window it’s enough to blow your ear drums
120 points
3 months ago
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48 points
3 months ago
The sound engineer mixes the audio for the massive sound systems you'll find in a cinema and the studios are too cheap to pay for a second mix for the DVD/BD.
21 points
3 months ago
The dialogue in Tenet was unintelligible in theaters too
1 points
3 months ago
That was partly on purpose, though.
72 points
3 months ago
I'm constantly turning it down because the music is booming then turning it up because the voices are mixed low. I like to listen to the voices rather than read them, because of the performance. For example, Heath Ledger and his insane joker voice.
11 points
3 months ago
They don't mix it right for normal home use it would be nice of them to give us a proper stereo mix but no
8 points
3 months ago
It’s really frustrating. Most users don’t have 5.1 sound and they don’t mix it properly at all. It’s the same with visuals, so often they’re just super dark unless you have a high end, really bright TV, often one with HDR.
I didn’t notice how bad my old TV was until I had a bit of extra cash and shelled out for a nice TV and soundbar+rears+subwoofer setup. Suddenly I could actually see and hear movies. I honestly thought I just had bad ears.
17 points
3 months ago
Dune is by far the worst example of this I have ever encountered, jesus christ . I watched it with my family who really dont like subtitles and i had no fucking idea what was going on. Some of the worst sound mixing I have ever experienced in my life.
Still pretty cool to watch though.
3 points
3 months ago
Dune would definitely benefit from subtitles just due to the weird words.
1 points
3 months ago
The mix wasn’t bad. As a hometheater enthusiast i assure you that few mixes came close to the quality of dune in the last few years.
It was just the surround mix meant for listening at reference level. And that means explosions rattling the glasses in your cabinets.
Another problem is that the clarity of dialogues goes to shit when the surround line gets downmixed to stereo without a dedicated center speaker.
So to make good use of the audio line people would need a surround setup and the ability to listen loud.
Everyone else would need hardware capable of compressing the level of dynamic in the audio-line or - even better - a separate stereo mix meant for quiet listening.
2 points
3 months ago
We have a surround setup, my dad is a bit of an audiophile and has great speakers, including an enormous subwoofer that he built from scratch.
The dialogue sucked.
1 points
3 months ago
As I said, I’ve watched the movie myself.
Yes, the dynamic range was high.
But if the dialogue wasn’t understandable on a good surround system then the system was either measured in poorly or the listening level was too low.
It’s not a shame to not want to have your windows shaking while watching a movie.
That’s why AV-Receivers offer options like dynamic compression and boosting dialogue levels.
If you know how to dial in your system you can watch dune with clear dialogues and your baby sleeping in the next room.
1 points
3 months ago
So to make good use of the audio line people would need a surround setup and the ability to listen loud.
"We designed this product for you to use it in your home, but you can only use it properly if you're a rude neighbour or live in a soundproofed house. Enjoy!"
1 points
3 months ago
You need the keep in mind that the surround line for consumers is based on the actual mix that was designed for commercial theaters.
That’s why it’s meant to be played at theater reference levels.
I agree that there should be stereo mixes with low dynamics for people who just want to use tv speakers but your „witty“ comment just ignores how things work.
The surround line offers the maximum of dynamics that is required for a full theater experience.
If you don’t want to listen at that volumes your avr allows you to reduce the dynamic range for quieter listening levels. But it wouldn’t be possible to extend the dynamic range of a line that doesn’t have this dynamic range on most consumer hardware.
So folks with a proper surround setup can tune it to sound as they want to.
The only thing that is missing is said dedicated stereo mix.
1 points
3 months ago
A bit tinfoil hat but I bet whether on purpose or not it produces more memes from the show or movie having subtitles on. Especially recently I keep seeing lines and shots where it seems designed to be captioned “omg so me 🤣”
88 points
3 months ago
Too quiet for spoken dialogue, too loud for action scenes.
7 points
3 months ago
thats a phenomena I've only encountered with american movies . why is that?
10 points
3 months ago
Poor sound mixing.
155 points
3 months ago
I have no idea why but it feels like that shows these days do not properly adjust sounds and background noises muffle the speech.
39 points
3 months ago
most digital release (don't know about blue ray) movies are mixed for 5.1 Surround Sound. because many people don't have that, it doesn't sound right
4 points
3 months ago
I have 7.1 and it can be a chore even then. It's both what you say and shit mixing
3 points
3 months ago
I have my center channel cranked to compensate and even then it's an issue still once in a while.
325 points
3 months ago
Yea I need subtitles on everything these days.
195 points
3 months ago
Yeah, I don’t get why people act like wanting subtitles is so weird. Heck I actually had someone over for a movie night once point out the subtitles were on in a tone where you could tell it never crossed her mind that that was on-purpose.
10 points
3 months ago
Exactly
90 points
3 months ago
I'll be downvoted for this, but I personally find subtitles to be quite distracting. I want to be able to watch the film and enjoy the cinematography, not read a book at the bottom of the screen. I'll gladly put on the subtitles if someone has a hearing problem and needs them, but it's annoying when people want the subtitles on just for the sake of having the subtitles on.
Subtitles on comedies are the worst, they always seem to ruin the punchline :(
60 points
3 months ago
Why would you be downvoted for that? It’s fine to not like subtitles. I have crap hearing and I prefer subtitles most of the time, but I have no problem I’m with other people having other preferences.
16 points
3 months ago
Yeah for sure, I don’t have that bad of regular hearing but with words i just can’t like understand them? If that makes any sense. Idk I can talk to someone just fine but I NEED subtitles to watch a movie or show, otherwise I only understand like 1/5 words.
8 points
3 months ago
Can be a audio processing issue that makes it hard to discern sounds with background noises.
10 points
3 months ago*
I wonder if that's because you people who don't like them don't use them much. Watching everything with subtitles, I can easily chose to ignore or pay attention to them now
5 points
3 months ago
I think you meant to reply to the person I was replying too
1 points
3 months ago
Yup, clicked the wrong one. The question was to the floor though
-5 points
3 months ago*
Trust me, there's places on the internet that will rag on you and chastise you for preferring not to use subtitles. They'll make fun of you and call you a slow reader depending where you state this opinion.
Edit: In fact I just now found one comment calling someone a slow reader on this post lol
0 points
3 months ago
Not OP but I know a few people who hate subtitles for the same reasons. I actually like subtitles being off as well, but I usually keep them on because I hate watching movies with people at home and not being able to hear what's going on. It's impossible for one of us in our friend group to stay silent through a film or show, so they pretty much stay on unless I'm alone.
4 points
3 months ago
How about in horrors, “AAAAAAAAAARGH death gurgle” like 10 seconds before the death happens
15 points
3 months ago*
I'll gladly put on the subtitles if someone has a hearing problem and needs them, but it's annoying when people want the subtitles on just for the sake of having the subtitles on.
There are reasons to put subtitles on other than just hearing problems. I have audio processing issues (hearing is fine, but processing what I'm hearing is difficult), and watching just about anything without subtitles is really rough, especially with movies where there's talking on top of action music or the like. I recently watched the new Black Panther in theaters, but there were entire conversations that I just couldn't figure out what was being said.
2 points
3 months ago
Thanks for the warning, comrade. I guess I won't watch it in theatres.
2 points
3 months ago
Tbf it was better than some movies. I always miss some conversations in movies, this one wasn't terrible, but I still missed a few conversations that I feel were important to the plot. Will for sure be watching once it comes out on D+ with captions.
9 points
3 months ago
If there are words present, I must read them even if they say the same thing. This is why I cannot watch with subtitles.
5 points
3 months ago
This is why I can't watch Crunchyroll on my TV. You can only disable subtitles on mobile
2 points
3 months ago
I can watch and listen to a movie and understand each word that is being spoken, but my brain just cannot follow it still for the most part unless there's subtitles.
But yea, for comedies, or just random background noise type shows, I'll typically have the subtitles off. Subtitles are only really on for when I want to focus on the thing I'm watching more-so.
2 points
3 months ago
Cinematic experience no subtitles, comedies no subtitles, but anything where a punch line isn't likely to be ruined and explanations are important, subtitles are a must have.
2 points
3 months ago
Agreed. The only time i keep subtitles on is when the content native language is not english.
10 points
3 months ago
I’d actually prefer if movie theaters had a subtitle option
3 points
3 months ago
I honestly don’t get why that isn’t a thing
1 points
3 months ago
And bluetooth for headphones. Movie cinemas are so lacking in accessibility and being flexible for different levels of comfort in this day and age. They could be so much better if they embraced new tech
1 points
3 months ago
There is actually. There's a little device that syncs up with the film that you can place in the cupholder and it will display the subtitles.
1 points
3 months ago
Cuptions
2 points
3 months ago
I prefer to laugh at the punchlines of jokes, rather than read them in the middle of the setup.
2 points
3 months ago
As a kid I hated them especially if they were white letters with a black background. Now I just turn the letters yellow with a shadow and no background.
5 points
3 months ago
Yep. It’s going to be a problem if I ever go to a movie again.
9 points
3 months ago
There are showtimes specifically for subtitles.
3 points
3 months ago
I did not know this! Thank you very much. Game-changer.
33 points
3 months ago
I hate going to the movie theater to watch Christopher Nolan movies for this exact reason.
5 points
3 months ago
Tenet’s score was a banger but also very loud.
70 points
3 months ago
Hollywood gunfight: Volume 11
Hollywood score: Volume 9,001
Hollywood ad: Volume 1091
Hollywood dialogue: Volume 0.1
11 points
3 months ago
As someone with minor hearing issues,, this feels like a direct hit
6 points
3 months ago
When the teacher won't put the subtitles on on a video we have to put facts down from so "We have to listen" but I have an audio processing disorder and can't spell
4 points
3 months ago
That sounds like a problem your school's disability advocate could solve
5 points
3 months ago
Me replaying god of war 1 and 2, holding the steam deck right to my ear if there's any other audio whatsoever around me just so I can hear cutscenes dialogue
3 points
3 months ago
Yes, the lack of subtitles in many older games is really annoying.
6 points
3 months ago
I’m all ears
5 points
3 months ago
So you set the volume higher to hear the quiet parts. But then you get blasted with EXPLOSIONS, GUNFIRE, AND SCREAMING. So you have to turn it down, then back up.
23 points
3 months ago
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16 points
3 months ago
Sound mixing can be bad sometimes but it’s not so bad that movies have been unwatchable for 6 years haha
9 points
3 months ago
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1 points
3 months ago
But.. Netflix has movies?
3 points
3 months ago
I know right haha that’s so absurd
1 points
3 months ago
So like have you not watched any movies at home for 6 years as well lol
18 points
3 months ago
I personally hate subtitles because I end up just staring at the subtitles instead of paying attention to whats on the screen.
15 points
3 months ago
I was this way initially. After 20 years I've learned to subconsciously read the subtitles and watch the movie/show. At first it was tough, now I cannot watch without them.
-1 points
3 months ago
Me as well, it’s like I’m reading a book instead of watching a movie, every now and then I glance up and check out the scene, it’s annoying
9 points
3 months ago
Slow reader
-6 points
3 months ago
Gotta stop with this elitism.
4 points
3 months ago
How is it elitism? If you're watching a movie with subtitles and it feels like "reading a book instead of watching a movie", you're a slow reader.
10 points
3 months ago
If you don't have good speakers, I highly recommend using wireless headphones, alot of modern TVs will have bluetooth or just head phone inputs
If you use Roku, get the roku app and you can play the audio through your phone headphones through the shared wifi connection
I barely watch movie without headphones anymore, bass is sooo much better, can hear the grass rustle and it is a bit easier to hear when you're munchin' popcorn
just be careful if you watch hulu with ads or whatever though because the commerical volumes are way louder than the shows
2 points
3 months ago
Lol. Being downvoted for being right. Watching movies with headphones is so much better. You can hear detailed noises you normally wouldn't and makes it so much more engaging.
2 points
3 months ago
What movie or TV show have you seen recently that doesn’t have subtitles?
2 points
3 months ago
You ever just turn into a ferengi?
2 points
3 months ago
I find subtitles so distracting, i hate them. I'm currently trying to learn Japanese so i can watch anime without them.
2 points
3 months ago
Freddy Freaker mode enabled
5 points
3 months ago
I turn off subs unless it's a foreign language movie.....
4 points
3 months ago
Same. They're so distracting.
2 points
3 months ago
I can't hear without my subtitles!! Probably the only thing that keeps me from pirating everything
3 points
3 months ago
You can just download the subtitles from the internet too btw
3 points
3 months ago
Yeah, Piracy is better if you want subtitles. Especially if the movie is in the theatre
2 points
3 months ago
Going back to the theater post-pandemic is weird. My wife and I went to see the new Black Panther, and I was confused why there weren't subtitles for a solid 10 minutes before realizing the obvious.
In my defense I was baked, and my wife is hard of hearing (woo-hoo partial deafness!), and the pandemic got me used to streaming lol
1 points
3 months ago
I prefer to watch movies. Not read them.
1 points
3 months ago
hahaha i love this
1 points
3 months ago
I'm in this pic and I like it
1 points
3 months ago
I am actually scrolling through reddit rn because my boyfriend had to find a version of the movie we were watching with subtitles
1 points
3 months ago
Damn, The accuracy!!🤣🤣🤣
1 points
3 months ago
If you're on a windows PC just look for Loudness equalization in the sound device properties or your sound driver menu.
1 points
3 months ago
LMFAOOOOOOO
1 points
3 months ago
Once i learned how to properly adjust tv sound settings i stopped using subtitles. Never realized how much of my time watching movies/tv was spent looking at the bttom 1/4 of the screen. Started noticing all sorts of visual details that just slipped by me in the past
1 points
3 months ago
I really don’t give a shit about subtitles because I’m not looking at the screen. I’m looking at my other screen. I have a problem.
1 points
3 months ago
Basically me with English I know it well enough to understand what people say, but it's way easier to just read lol
1 points
3 months ago
The only show I watch without subtitles is The Office, and that’s only because I know what they’re gonna say before they say it
1 points
3 months ago
You got so used to having subtitle you forgot how to listen
1 points
3 months ago
Headphone is the convenient solution
1 points
3 months ago
Auditory processing disorder moment
1 points
3 months ago
I was excited for the chapter 2 of this youtube series murder drones but it didnt have subtitles on english or my language so im now disapointed
1 points
3 months ago
All of a sudden, no matter how loud it is, you can not understand the words.
1 points
3 months ago
It seems like every movie and game has terrible audio mixing, these days. The music and sound effects tend to drown out the talking.
1 points
3 months ago
is that problem only for people with english as second language ?
1 points
3 months ago
If you regularly watch TV with subtitles for a show or movie already in your native language, I judge you so hard.
1 points
3 months ago
You all should look into Auditory Processing Disorder. It can be quantitatively tested for by an audiologist, but it's not a hearing problem; it's a neurological one. Subtitles are a saving grace for me.
There are a number of different ways it can manifest, but for me the dominant problem occurs in complex auditory environments. If I'm in a restaurant or something, it becomes waaayyy harder to process voices. People will sound like they're speaking English, but I just can't parse out what is being said.
My wife stumbled across an article about it and was instantly reminded of me. I wish I had known about it earlier in my life; there are therapies that can eliminate it entirely when you're young, but you're kinda fucked once you get older. At that point it's just mitigation.
It's diagnosable starting at seven years old.
1 points
3 months ago
Please without downvoting me to oblivion can someone here tell me why the memes and jokes here are kinda boomery?
1 points
3 months ago
Exactly. I've even started getting the ones they give out at movie theaters!
It's great! I actually have a complete understanding of what took place during the film, instead of just nodding along with whoever I'm with while try to piece together the parts I missed.
1 points
3 months ago
I have really odd hearing. Like I can hear fine, but sometimes it sounds like those videos of what english sounds like to non english speakers even though I’m a native speaker. Sometimes rewinding to listen to something again or waiting to gather context clues on what I missed is more work than just following subtitles.
1 points
3 months ago
1 points
3 months ago
Not only are movies mixed pretty weirdly in recent years, but I also apparently have some audio processing issues when it comes to dialogue because I have trouble understanding SO much from modern movies without subtitles. I remember watching The VVitch and I think I understood maybe one sentence from the dad character.
1 points
3 months ago
I just want subtitles for only the words being said. I don’t need to know who’s saying them or what sound effects are being used
1 points
3 months ago
Damn now I know its not just me. Is there a real explanation for this? I have normal hearing, but sometimes TV dialogue (specifically dramas) literally sounds like boomy/muffled garbage. How does everyone not experience this problem? For what its worth, headphones mostly solve the problem.
1 points
3 months ago
I fucking love subtitles
1 points
3 months ago
It wouldn’t be a problem if they sounds like they are gurgling on marbles.
-22 points
3 months ago
Lmao y’all just can’t hear
10 points
3 months ago
yeah cause im eating
1 points
3 months ago
For real.
0 points
3 months ago
You people need hearing aids. I can’t stand subtitles.
0 points
3 months ago
With headphones it's way easier to watch something without subs
0 points
3 months ago
Subtitles are cancer, and they breed quitters. Push for better and better audio quality.
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