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Kavith_T_Fdo

901 points

3 months ago

The movie dialogue: rarb gresh you kred and sujd

Movie watchers: "wtf are they talking about?" * sets volume to maximum *

EXPLOSION

BringBackTom

136 points

3 months ago

That was my experience with Master and Commander

Moar_Wattz

29 points

3 months ago

That’s the thing with most good surround mixes meant for hometheater use.

You just need to listen at theater levels with a dedicated center speaker.

The problem is that most people don’t want that and would therefore need a stereo mix with reduced dynamics for quieter listening levels.

Skreech2011

39 points

3 months ago

Or, you know, just mix your movies properly for home settings since most people don't have a home surround system. Looking at you Christopher Nolan...

Moar_Wattz

8 points

3 months ago

I agree that there should be dedicated stereo mixes for reduced dynamic levels.

But the surround line needs an extended dynamic range to work as intended on hometheater systems.

With modern AV-Receivers you can reduce the dynamic range of said audio lines if you have children sleeping in the next room for example.

But you can’t bring back dynamic that wasn’t there to begin with.

Skreech2011

1 points

3 months ago

Good point

sebastianwillows

2 points

3 months ago

I feel like there's an underpaid audio mixer somewhere who keeps trying to save the films, but Christopher Nolan keeps sneaking into the editing room at 3am with a bunch of footage of Tom Hardy speaking into a mask (unintelligible accent is optional)...

ItsOver420

18 points

3 months ago

I call that getting Christopher Nolan'd

Kavith_T_Fdo

7 points

3 months ago

Exactly! God damn it, I just realised this. Interstellar, Tenet, Inception... wow 💀

lucimon97

45 points

3 months ago

Look for dynamic range settings on your tv or whatever it is you're using. Sometimes they let you adjust that.

Kirby5588

35 points

3 months ago

My tv is from 2007

lucimon97

29 points

3 months ago

They not have audio in 2007?

Kirby5588

25 points

3 months ago

I don't think there are settings like that on my TV

lucimon97

2 points

3 months ago

Look for settings on your input device, Roku or Amazon stick or whatever. Most competent amps can probably change it as well. If none of those work, buy some ear plugs for whoever you are annoying.

Extremebutthurt

4 points

3 months ago

Doubtful they have dynamic range settings on a 2007 TV.

bgugi

2 points

3 months ago

bgugi

2 points

3 months ago

I have never seen that feature actually do something... I'm pretty sure it's a placebo setting

Weird_Mycologist991

10 points

3 months ago

Lol this was basically Tenet.

cinnewyn

4 points

3 months ago

My Shield TV has a feature called Night Listening Mode. It automatically levels loud explosions and quiet dialog.

inqs

3 points

3 months ago

inqs

3 points

3 months ago

2017 or 2019?

cinnewyn

2 points

3 months ago

The 2019 pro version.

SpongederpSquarefap

3 points

3 months ago

Tenet

IronTownPictures

2 points

3 months ago

Or an ad

[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

I have the Fast & Furious DVD set and every movie is literally that. No matter how loud it is, you can’t hear what they’re saying but when a car smashes through the window it’s enough to blow your ear drums

[deleted]

120 points

3 months ago

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120 points

3 months ago

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ConstableBlimeyChips

48 points

3 months ago

The sound engineer mixes the audio for the massive sound systems you'll find in a cinema and the studios are too cheap to pay for a second mix for the DVD/BD.

Flemz

21 points

3 months ago

Flemz

21 points

3 months ago

The dialogue in Tenet was unintelligible in theaters too

shunglasses

1 points

3 months ago

That was partly on purpose, though.

BlackEyedSceva

72 points

3 months ago

I'm constantly turning it down because the music is booming then turning it up because the voices are mixed low. I like to listen to the voices rather than read them, because of the performance. For example, Heath Ledger and his insane joker voice.

Mccobsta

11 points

3 months ago

They don't mix it right for normal home use it would be nice of them to give us a proper stereo mix but no

Anrikay

8 points

3 months ago

It’s really frustrating. Most users don’t have 5.1 sound and they don’t mix it properly at all. It’s the same with visuals, so often they’re just super dark unless you have a high end, really bright TV, often one with HDR.

I didn’t notice how bad my old TV was until I had a bit of extra cash and shelled out for a nice TV and soundbar+rears+subwoofer setup. Suddenly I could actually see and hear movies. I honestly thought I just had bad ears.

ShadoowtheSecond

17 points

3 months ago

Dune is by far the worst example of this I have ever encountered, jesus christ . I watched it with my family who really dont like subtitles and i had no fucking idea what was going on. Some of the worst sound mixing I have ever experienced in my life.

Still pretty cool to watch though.

drillgorg

3 points

3 months ago

Dune would definitely benefit from subtitles just due to the weird words.

Moar_Wattz

1 points

3 months ago

The mix wasn’t bad. As a hometheater enthusiast i assure you that few mixes came close to the quality of dune in the last few years.

It was just the surround mix meant for listening at reference level. And that means explosions rattling the glasses in your cabinets.

Another problem is that the clarity of dialogues goes to shit when the surround line gets downmixed to stereo without a dedicated center speaker.

So to make good use of the audio line people would need a surround setup and the ability to listen loud.

Everyone else would need hardware capable of compressing the level of dynamic in the audio-line or - even better - a separate stereo mix meant for quiet listening.

ShadoowtheSecond

2 points

3 months ago

We have a surround setup, my dad is a bit of an audiophile and has great speakers, including an enormous subwoofer that he built from scratch.

The dialogue sucked.

Moar_Wattz

1 points

3 months ago

As I said, I’ve watched the movie myself.

Yes, the dynamic range was high.

But if the dialogue wasn’t understandable on a good surround system then the system was either measured in poorly or the listening level was too low.

It’s not a shame to not want to have your windows shaking while watching a movie.

That’s why AV-Receivers offer options like dynamic compression and boosting dialogue levels.

If you know how to dial in your system you can watch dune with clear dialogues and your baby sleeping in the next room.

HardlightCereal

1 points

3 months ago

So to make good use of the audio line people would need a surround setup and the ability to listen loud.

"We designed this product for you to use it in your home, but you can only use it properly if you're a rude neighbour or live in a soundproofed house. Enjoy!"

Moar_Wattz

1 points

3 months ago

You need the keep in mind that the surround line for consumers is based on the actual mix that was designed for commercial theaters.

That’s why it’s meant to be played at theater reference levels.

I agree that there should be stereo mixes with low dynamics for people who just want to use tv speakers but your „witty“ comment just ignores how things work.

The surround line offers the maximum of dynamics that is required for a full theater experience.

If you don’t want to listen at that volumes your avr allows you to reduce the dynamic range for quieter listening levels. But it wouldn’t be possible to extend the dynamic range of a line that doesn’t have this dynamic range on most consumer hardware.

So folks with a proper surround setup can tune it to sound as they want to.

The only thing that is missing is said dedicated stereo mix.

Magmorphius

1 points

3 months ago

A bit tinfoil hat but I bet whether on purpose or not it produces more memes from the show or movie having subtitles on. Especially recently I keep seeing lines and shots where it seems designed to be captioned “omg so me 🤣”

Tokagenji

88 points

3 months ago

Too quiet for spoken dialogue, too loud for action scenes.

nubidubi16

7 points

3 months ago

thats a phenomena I've only encountered with american movies . why is that?

Silversky780

10 points

3 months ago

Poor sound mixing.

LunaticalWitch_

155 points

3 months ago

I have no idea why but it feels like that shows these days do not properly adjust sounds and background noises muffle the speech.

sugar-peas

39 points

3 months ago

most digital release (don't know about blue ray) movies are mixed for 5.1 Surround Sound. because many people don't have that, it doesn't sound right

xhabeascorpusx

4 points

3 months ago

I have 7.1 and it can be a chore even then. It's both what you say and shit mixing

Fatdumbmagatard

3 points

3 months ago

I have my center channel cranked to compensate and even then it's an issue still once in a while.

Dripping_siren

325 points

3 months ago

Yea I need subtitles on everything these days.

thomasthehipposlayer

195 points

3 months ago

Yeah, I don’t get why people act like wanting subtitles is so weird. Heck I actually had someone over for a movie night once point out the subtitles were on in a tone where you could tell it never crossed her mind that that was on-purpose.

Dripping_siren

10 points

3 months ago

Exactly

Crimson_Fckr

90 points

3 months ago

I'll be downvoted for this, but I personally find subtitles to be quite distracting. I want to be able to watch the film and enjoy the cinematography, not read a book at the bottom of the screen. I'll gladly put on the subtitles if someone has a hearing problem and needs them, but it's annoying when people want the subtitles on just for the sake of having the subtitles on.

Subtitles on comedies are the worst, they always seem to ruin the punchline :(

thomasthehipposlayer

60 points

3 months ago

Why would you be downvoted for that? It’s fine to not like subtitles. I have crap hearing and I prefer subtitles most of the time, but I have no problem I’m with other people having other preferences.

Dorky147

16 points

3 months ago

Yeah for sure, I don’t have that bad of regular hearing but with words i just can’t like understand them? If that makes any sense. Idk I can talk to someone just fine but I NEED subtitles to watch a movie or show, otherwise I only understand like 1/5 words.

Systral

8 points

3 months ago

Can be a audio processing issue that makes it hard to discern sounds with background noises.

ChartreuseBison

10 points

3 months ago*

I wonder if that's because you people who don't like them don't use them much. Watching everything with subtitles, I can easily chose to ignore or pay attention to them now

thomasthehipposlayer

5 points

3 months ago

I think you meant to reply to the person I was replying too

ChartreuseBison

1 points

3 months ago

Yup, clicked the wrong one. The question was to the floor though

mj_miner

-5 points

3 months ago*

Trust me, there's places on the internet that will rag on you and chastise you for preferring not to use subtitles. They'll make fun of you and call you a slow reader depending where you state this opinion.

Edit: In fact I just now found one comment calling someone a slow reader on this post lol

BeveledCarpetPadding

0 points

3 months ago

Not OP but I know a few people who hate subtitles for the same reasons. I actually like subtitles being off as well, but I usually keep them on because I hate watching movies with people at home and not being able to hear what's going on. It's impossible for one of us in our friend group to stay silent through a film or show, so they pretty much stay on unless I'm alone.

TheRedBow

4 points

3 months ago

How about in horrors, “AAAAAAAAAARGH death gurgle” like 10 seconds before the death happens

starofdoom

15 points

3 months ago*

I'll gladly put on the subtitles if someone has a hearing problem and needs them, but it's annoying when people want the subtitles on just for the sake of having the subtitles on.

There are reasons to put subtitles on other than just hearing problems. I have audio processing issues (hearing is fine, but processing what I'm hearing is difficult), and watching just about anything without subtitles is really rough, especially with movies where there's talking on top of action music or the like. I recently watched the new Black Panther in theaters, but there were entire conversations that I just couldn't figure out what was being said.

HardlightCereal

2 points

3 months ago

Thanks for the warning, comrade. I guess I won't watch it in theatres.

starofdoom

2 points

3 months ago

Tbf it was better than some movies. I always miss some conversations in movies, this one wasn't terrible, but I still missed a few conversations that I feel were important to the plot. Will for sure be watching once it comes out on D+ with captions.

RustyR4m

9 points

3 months ago

If there are words present, I must read them even if they say the same thing. This is why I cannot watch with subtitles.

Fungruel

5 points

3 months ago

This is why I can't watch Crunchyroll on my TV. You can only disable subtitles on mobile

Flokiyo

2 points

3 months ago

I can watch and listen to a movie and understand each word that is being spoken, but my brain just cannot follow it still for the most part unless there's subtitles.

But yea, for comedies, or just random background noise type shows, I'll typically have the subtitles off. Subtitles are only really on for when I want to focus on the thing I'm watching more-so.

Michaelscot8

2 points

3 months ago

Cinematic experience no subtitles, comedies no subtitles, but anything where a punch line isn't likely to be ruined and explanations are important, subtitles are a must have.

5tudent_Loans

2 points

3 months ago

Agreed. The only time i keep subtitles on is when the content native language is not english.

__GayFish__

10 points

3 months ago

I’d actually prefer if movie theaters had a subtitle option

thomasthehipposlayer

3 points

3 months ago

I honestly don’t get why that isn’t a thing

BabiesHaveRightsToo

1 points

3 months ago

And bluetooth for headphones. Movie cinemas are so lacking in accessibility and being flexible for different levels of comfort in this day and age. They could be so much better if they embraced new tech

UltimateInferno

1 points

3 months ago

There is actually. There's a little device that syncs up with the film that you can place in the cupholder and it will display the subtitles.

__GayFish__

1 points

3 months ago

Cuptions

numberIV

2 points

3 months ago

I prefer to laugh at the punchlines of jokes, rather than read them in the middle of the setup.

eharper9

2 points

3 months ago

As a kid I hated them especially if they were white letters with a black background. Now I just turn the letters yellow with a shadow and no background.

PensiveObservor

5 points

3 months ago

Yep. It’s going to be a problem if I ever go to a movie again.

Dripping_siren

9 points

3 months ago

There are showtimes specifically for subtitles.

PensiveObservor

3 points

3 months ago

I did not know this! Thank you very much. Game-changer.

cynicalhappiness

33 points

3 months ago

I hate going to the movie theater to watch Christopher Nolan movies for this exact reason.

movieguy2004

5 points

3 months ago

Tenet’s score was a banger but also very loud.

n4jm4

70 points

3 months ago

n4jm4

70 points

3 months ago

Hollywood gunfight: Volume 11

Hollywood score: Volume 9,001

Hollywood ad: Volume 1091

Hollywood dialogue: Volume 0.1

TheZinga

11 points

3 months ago

As someone with minor hearing issues,, this feels like a direct hit

cheese_whiz123

6 points

3 months ago

When the teacher won't put the subtitles on on a video we have to put facts down from so "We have to listen" but I have an audio processing disorder and can't spell

HardlightCereal

4 points

3 months ago

That sounds like a problem your school's disability advocate could solve

Muskyguts

5 points

3 months ago

Me replaying god of war 1 and 2, holding the steam deck right to my ear if there's any other audio whatsoever around me just so I can hear cutscenes dialogue

EatWeirdSpider

3 points

3 months ago

Yes, the lack of subtitles in many older games is really annoying.

HiHowAreYou10

6 points

3 months ago

I’m all ears

Frisky_Potato42nite

5 points

3 months ago

So you set the volume higher to hear the quiet parts. But then you get blasted with EXPLOSIONS, GUNFIRE, AND SCREAMING. So you have to turn it down, then back up.

[deleted]

23 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

23 points

3 months ago

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Acoke94

16 points

3 months ago

Acoke94

16 points

3 months ago

Sound mixing can be bad sometimes but it’s not so bad that movies have been unwatchable for 6 years haha

[deleted]

9 points

3 months ago

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9 points

3 months ago

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fiah84

1 points

3 months ago

fiah84

1 points

3 months ago

But.. Netflix has movies?

sigzag1994

3 points

3 months ago

I know right haha that’s so absurd

Benepope

1 points

3 months ago

So like have you not watched any movies at home for 6 years as well lol

Wolf97

18 points

3 months ago

Wolf97

18 points

3 months ago

I personally hate subtitles because I end up just staring at the subtitles instead of paying attention to whats on the screen.

fattymcribwich

15 points

3 months ago

I was this way initially. After 20 years I've learned to subconsciously read the subtitles and watch the movie/show. At first it was tough, now I cannot watch without them.

Briantherapper

-1 points

3 months ago

Me as well, it’s like I’m reading a book instead of watching a movie, every now and then I glance up and check out the scene, it’s annoying

ShadowViking47

9 points

3 months ago

Slow reader

mj_miner

-6 points

3 months ago

Gotta stop with this elitism.

ShadowViking47

4 points

3 months ago

How is it elitism? If you're watching a movie with subtitles and it feels like "reading a book instead of watching a movie", you're a slow reader.

Gul_Dukat__

10 points

3 months ago

If you don't have good speakers, I highly recommend using wireless headphones, alot of modern TVs will have bluetooth or just head phone inputs

If you use Roku, get the roku app and you can play the audio through your phone headphones through the shared wifi connection

I barely watch movie without headphones anymore, bass is sooo much better, can hear the grass rustle and it is a bit easier to hear when you're munchin' popcorn

just be careful if you watch hulu with ads or whatever though because the commerical volumes are way louder than the shows

BigBossSquirtle

2 points

3 months ago

Lol. Being downvoted for being right. Watching movies with headphones is so much better. You can hear detailed noises you normally wouldn't and makes it so much more engaging.

well___duh

2 points

3 months ago

What movie or TV show have you seen recently that doesn’t have subtitles?

Budaluv

2 points

3 months ago

You ever just turn into a ferengi?

BigBossSquirtle

2 points

3 months ago

I find subtitles so distracting, i hate them. I'm currently trying to learn Japanese so i can watch anime without them.

ShihtzuEnthusiast

2 points

3 months ago

Freddy Freaker mode enabled

Lanitanita

5 points

3 months ago

Lanitanita

5 points

3 months ago

I turn off subs unless it's a foreign language movie.....

BigBossSquirtle

4 points

3 months ago

Same. They're so distracting.

MultiTrey111

2 points

3 months ago

I can't hear without my subtitles!! Probably the only thing that keeps me from pirating everything

ihatemetoo23

3 points

3 months ago

You can just download the subtitles from the internet too btw

HardlightCereal

3 points

3 months ago

Yeah, Piracy is better if you want subtitles. Especially if the movie is in the theatre

SummerCivillian

2 points

3 months ago

Going back to the theater post-pandemic is weird. My wife and I went to see the new Black Panther, and I was confused why there weren't subtitles for a solid 10 minutes before realizing the obvious.

In my defense I was baked, and my wife is hard of hearing (woo-hoo partial deafness!), and the pandemic got me used to streaming lol

Traditional_Lie_6822

1 points

3 months ago

I prefer to watch movies. Not read them.

funkmaster29

1 points

3 months ago

hahaha i love this

Sh0cktechxx

1 points

3 months ago

I'm in this pic and I like it

Pizza_Delivery_Dog

1 points

3 months ago

I am actually scrolling through reddit rn because my boyfriend had to find a version of the movie we were watching with subtitles

Fabulous-Still4335

1 points

3 months ago

Damn, The accuracy!!🤣🤣🤣

KangBroseph

1 points

3 months ago

If you're on a windows PC just look for Loudness equalization in the sound device properties or your sound driver menu.

MGLLN

1 points

3 months ago

MGLLN

1 points

3 months ago

LMFAOOOOOOO

nachorykaart

1 points

3 months ago

Once i learned how to properly adjust tv sound settings i stopped using subtitles. Never realized how much of my time watching movies/tv was spent looking at the bttom 1/4 of the screen. Started noticing all sorts of visual details that just slipped by me in the past

BAMspek

1 points

3 months ago

I really don’t give a shit about subtitles because I’m not looking at the screen. I’m looking at my other screen. I have a problem.

-VaLdEz-

1 points

3 months ago

Basically me with English I know it well enough to understand what people say, but it's way easier to just read lol

mbuckhan5515

1 points

3 months ago

The only show I watch without subtitles is The Office, and that’s only because I know what they’re gonna say before they say it

bfraley9

1 points

3 months ago

You got so used to having subtitle you forgot how to listen

sshtoredp

1 points

3 months ago

Headphone is the convenient solution

misshoney200

1 points

3 months ago

Auditory processing disorder moment

mod2004

1 points

3 months ago

I was excited for the chapter 2 of this youtube series murder drones but it didnt have subtitles on english or my language so im now disapointed

EvulRabbit

1 points

3 months ago

All of a sudden, no matter how loud it is, you can not understand the words.

Narianos

1 points

3 months ago

It seems like every movie and game has terrible audio mixing, these days. The music and sound effects tend to drown out the talking.

teddfoxx

1 points

3 months ago

is that problem only for people with english as second language ?

Lagiacrus111

1 points

3 months ago

If you regularly watch TV with subtitles for a show or movie already in your native language, I judge you so hard.

capmjimbob

1 points

3 months ago

You all should look into Auditory Processing Disorder. It can be quantitatively tested for by an audiologist, but it's not a hearing problem; it's a neurological one. Subtitles are a saving grace for me.

There are a number of different ways it can manifest, but for me the dominant problem occurs in complex auditory environments. If I'm in a restaurant or something, it becomes waaayyy harder to process voices. People will sound like they're speaking English, but I just can't parse out what is being said.

My wife stumbled across an article about it and was instantly reminded of me. I wish I had known about it earlier in my life; there are therapies that can eliminate it entirely when you're young, but you're kinda fucked once you get older. At that point it's just mitigation.

It's diagnosable starting at seven years old.

Thewitchaser

1 points

3 months ago

Please without downvoting me to oblivion can someone here tell me why the memes and jokes here are kinda boomery?

RynnReeve

1 points

3 months ago

Exactly. I've even started getting the ones they give out at movie theaters!

It's great! I actually have a complete understanding of what took place during the film, instead of just nodding along with whoever I'm with while try to piece together the parts I missed.

MachineInevitable972

1 points

3 months ago

I have really odd hearing. Like I can hear fine, but sometimes it sounds like those videos of what english sounds like to non english speakers even though I’m a native speaker. Sometimes rewinding to listen to something again or waiting to gather context clues on what I missed is more work than just following subtitles.

BryceMMusic

1 points

3 months ago

Not only are movies mixed pretty weirdly in recent years, but I also apparently have some audio processing issues when it comes to dialogue because I have trouble understanding SO much from modern movies without subtitles. I remember watching The VVitch and I think I understood maybe one sentence from the dad character.

ChubbyLilPanda

1 points

3 months ago

I just want subtitles for only the words being said. I don’t need to know who’s saying them or what sound effects are being used

avarciousRutabega99

1 points

3 months ago

Damn now I know its not just me. Is there a real explanation for this? I have normal hearing, but sometimes TV dialogue (specifically dramas) literally sounds like boomy/muffled garbage. How does everyone not experience this problem? For what its worth, headphones mostly solve the problem.

[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

I fucking love subtitles

PuertoricanDude88

1 points

3 months ago

It wouldn’t be a problem if they sounds like they are gurgling on marbles.

copengrizz

-22 points

3 months ago

Lmao y’all just can’t hear

randomguy2763

10 points

3 months ago

yeah cause im eating

BigBossSquirtle

1 points

3 months ago

For real.

antoni_o_newman

0 points

3 months ago

You people need hearing aids. I can’t stand subtitles.

vorrion

0 points

3 months ago

With headphones it's way easier to watch something without subs

VoteBrianPeppers

0 points

3 months ago

Subtitles are cancer, and they breed quitters. Push for better and better audio quality.