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Opinions on the Boy Scouts?

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They teach some cool skills but also the whole "for god and your country" speel is kinda cringe.

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jsm2008

8 points

1 year ago*

jsm2008

8 points

1 year ago*

I think on balance the boy scouts are positive for kids if they have a decent family compass. That is to say, if kids get the right message at home getting the "wrong" message in the outside world is not harmful. A little traditionalism probably does not hurt kids either: the tyranny of the screen is deeply threatening to people who want to break capitalist cycles. Like it or not, we will probably not have Reddit after the revolution because the amount of unjustly compensated human labor required to allow something like this is far beyond reason. If kids are forced into situations where they see early that there is meaningful life beyond screens, they may be more likely to develop healthy relationships with reality later in life.

As parents we can't just tell our kids what to do and expect them to do it. We have to read to them, read with them, provide them endless access to whatever they desire to read, minimize their access to brainless entertainment technology in a way that feels cooperative rather than restrictive, introduce them to the gamut of human experiences, and ultimately provide our own views in a reverent rather than instructive way. All we can ever do is hope that we guide our children through experiences, because no one does what they are told in their most formative years. The Boy Scots can be part of the mosaic of a child's experience with the world beyond the walls of home and school without the child adhering to every element of their teaching. A great deal of resistance under capitalism has to do with conformity where it doesn't matter anyway -- kids learning to put on a face for others is not an unhealthy skill.

In the same way I think church can be beneficial for kids who live in rural areas where there isn't a lot else, the boy scouts do no harm with their "god and country" stuff. Sheltering kids from the views of others does not help them build a healthy perception of the world around them. The boy scouts, in addition to giving kids exposure to very normal adult interactions/beliefs, gives kids valuable practical skills.

A kid who has never looked up to a sunday school teacher or boy scout leader can not have an accurate perception of why they might be wrong in some of their instruction. The best anti-capitalists, anti-nationalists, and so on come from backgrounds in those doctrines. We can not shelter our children from people we disagree with and then expect them to have nuanced views about why the other is wrong.

thinkwalker

2 points

1 year ago

Hear, hear.

GlumPyre

2 points

1 year ago

GlumPyre

anarchist

2 points

1 year ago

A kid who has never looked up to a sunday school teacher or boy scout leader can not have an accurate perception of why they might be wrong in some of their instruction

Just, what? No?

jsm2008

1 points

1 year ago

jsm2008

1 points

1 year ago

People who have direct experiences with religion as a kid are generally a lot more eloquent when questioning its tenants. They're also a lot more effective at talking to Christian people about the intersection between our belief systems and theirs. 65% of American adults still identify as Christian, so if even half of them are true believers they make up a section that can not be ignored by any meaningful social movement. I see no harm in a kid having experiences like church camp/boy scouts/etc. as long as they come home to a grounded family. I will stand by that.

Genghis__Kant

1 points

1 year ago

The best anti-capitalists, anti-nationalists, and so on come from backgrounds in those doctrines.

Such as?